Area 51 Vets Speak

Aren't people that are in sensitive areas sworn to secrecy for life of the secret, (mean't for life of the person, or the secret is not longer senitive). Or is that just in the movies?

Yes. That is how it really IS. I used to work Black Programs. I cannot even tell my wife for whom I worked most of them, and she didn't know then. I cannot, still, even 25 years later, when we pass a building where I worked them, tell her that is where I did so. Of course, occasionally, one of the programs on which I worked is declassified ( but most of them were, and are, XGDS, which means eXempt form the General Declassification Schedule, so they will never, as far as I can tell, be declassified.) but until and unless that happens, I cannot talk about them, even now, as much in some cases as 40 years later. Sorry, don't ask, and I won't have to be rude.

but it is only till you die right? after that you are free to blather!

I know what questions St. Peters going to ask, before you can enter.

Easy....write whatever you have on your mind, put it in a sealed envelope to be opened only after...you know what.. right ? You will do the humanity a great service.

You will do the humanity a great service.

thing is....not knowing, one does not know that, to make such a statement.

and secondly, did you know what "For Eyes Only" means.

No, not humanity. You will do the enemy great service. Wake up.

The General Declassification Schedule was not in effect 25 years ago. Shortly after I joined up in 1974, it was superseded by another Executive Order, which eliminated automatic declassification after a fixed interval. From then on, a date or event had to be specified by the classification authority (e.g. 20 June 1998, upon termination of program, etc.). I believe that is still the rule today, though I've been out of touch since the late 90s.

I probably was aware of that change, since I joined in 1973, right before marrying my wife of nearly 37 years (obviously SHE lasted longer than the Naval Security Group did!), and thus, since my work was "black" from then on, undoubtedly ran into the results of that change. But my memory is tainted (or at least shaded) by the fact that every document I ever handled had the XGDS markings on it. As a result, my memory is limited by my experience. Thanks very much for correcting it. I guess, though, that the result, to the OPs original question, is that the answer stays the same, for all practical purposes, where black programs are concerned. There IS a point at which the info becomes unclass, but it is usually after the reader is dead and gone, since on black programs, the info stays active far longer, as the program, or its methods, or its practices, or its people, or any combination of those, becomes at great risk for years after being associated with the program. And good personal practice is still just not to talk about what you knew.

So, these programs must be kept secret to prevent the people of the U.S. from knowing what illegal activities might have been done for which any other citizen would go to jail or be sentenced to death.

Yeah, that's very comforting.

You really figure that? That everything done on other country's territory is illegal, and we all ought to be dead for doing it? Particularly in support of YOUR right to make stupid, uninformed statements like that?

Let me point out that sensitive methods and practices went into our winning The Battle of Midway Island in WWII. And that was one turning point that keeps you from being forced to speak Japanese and bow to the Emperor. Also, in WWII, our ability to crack the German codes, and the Brits production of the Enigma Cipher machine, allowed us to be aware of their plans before they could implement them, in most cases. And that, in turn, is why YOU don't have to speak German, and yell Heil Hitler all the time. Add in the fact that many of the efforts that keep you from having to speak Russian, and fear the KGB, come from the same kind of efforts, by people a whole lot braver, smarter, and more dedicated than you.

In fact, if THEY hadn't done their jobs, you probably wouldn't have the right to free speech which you are undoubtedly about to tell us all about now.

If you think everything done in the name of your freedoms is illegal, and should be exposed to an unthinking public as the crime it is, you must really be ashamed to be an American. Or maybe you're just ashamed to be IN America. Or, if you aren't, well, you are still entitled to your own opinions, but none of us have to even be civil to your desire to destroy OUR freedoms.

I served many people at the risk of my life, by choice. What have you done for mankind? Any mankind?

Chris, my apology. I dropped a stitch. Not that I can pick it up, but at least I don't have to ignore it. I, too, would be interested in knowing whether we hid UFO's and their contents at Area 51. I suspect, from what I have read of the Project Blue Book reports, and what I knew before about the redacted material, that we did. But only if you remember that "UFO" means UNIDENTIFIED Flying Object. No doubt at all, some of what was taken to many sites around the world was known to have "flown", if only in ballistic flight, and was of unknown source or origin, hence, still, UNIDENTIFIED.

I don't say there are no ET-sourced materials stored away somewhere. I just, personally, doubt it. Von Daniken notwithstanding, The Bible does NOT suggest that we have been, are, or will be, visited by aliens. Since I take the Bible as my textbook (you may take yours elsewhere, as is your right. But this is where I take mine), I'm satisfied that there is no certainty we've been or will be visited. But since The Bible does not say we won't, I don't ignore the possibility, either. Many things have occurred, and will occur, for which we don't have, and may never have, answers.

And I'm OK with that. But, nope, can't say, cause I don't know, whether we ever had UFO's or the people from them, at Area 51.

Well Micahd02, Just for fun, I recommend a little book called "The Spaceships of Ezekiel" which I'm holding in my hands.

no ISBN number.

I know of more stuff. but this is a start.

Chris

Chris:

I printed the page. I'll read it sometime tomorrow and let you know my thoughts on it. Thanks for the pointer.

Hi Chris,

Ezekiel was a prophet, and prophets tell the future. The verses shown were a vision as stated in Ezekiel 1:1. My take is that it was a vision of the future. What the author of your little book described as a helicopter I picture as a Jet plane (he states the wings don't turn). The reference to the eagle probably means it was US made. This could be talking about a future war.

-S

I don't watch Television.

Being a third generation American, from German stock, I speak a smattering of German, but understand considerably more, along with Dutch, and some Afrikaans. I also speak a little Japanese, having lived in Japan, just outside Tokyo for three years. Likewise, having grown up among Spanish speakers in central California, and number over 400 natives of South and Central America among my friends, I speak some Spanish. Again, I understand more than I speak. Having deaf relatives, I speak some ASL, and am learning more. I also understand (though I don't speak it well enough to be understood) both Brazilian and Portugese dialects of that common language.

Do I pass YOUR tests?

I spoke from a knowledge of what it is like to speak someone's language other than your native tongue as a matter of survival, having many Phillipino friends who survived Bataan, and other atrocities, and having many German relatives who learned English because the other option was a POW camp here in America. Those in America have no problem today with speaking English, and indeed most of those still alive (my generation, as the preceding, including my parents, are gone) find it most comforting, and are all very loyal members of American society. Some of those from the Phillipines are here, and agree. Some are in Guam, and some in Japan, and speak the languages common in those places, along with their own native tongues. But what they speak, they speak by their own choice. And there is a world of difference between speaking another language to stay alive, and speaking it because YOU chose to do so.

Bingo.

I like the comment in the article about one of the first jet pilots flying inverted over another aircraft wearing a gorilla suit.

I don't know about aliens at area 51, but i read about Air Force pilots from RAF Lakenheath reporting UFOs during a training mission over Scotland. Cover-up stories about British secret planes?

Speaking of British Secrets, anybody know why there are still classified areas of the tunnels in Dover?

Drew

So they got the guys who were not allowed to see the aliens to say that they never saw any aliens. How enlightening! I feel a whole lot better about my government now.