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Biofuel's Water Problem

Posted June 01, 2010 8:39 AM

From IEEE Spectrum:

The great advantage of biofuel over petroleum is that the sources of biofuel are so widely available. The geologic fates may not have endowed your corner of the world with oil or gas deposits, but just about everyone can grow plants to make fuel. Unfortunately, some of the places these crops are grown require irrigation, and when water enters the equation, biofuels are a lot less attractive than the stuff they're replacing.

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06/01/2010 9:01 AM

A better idea is to use crops that don't require any more water than what local rains provide

Yes, true. But why stop at just water? It seems that the real goal of this whole energy dilemma is to use less energy than the Sun provides daily, right? I mean, in the end, when all the oil is depleted (whenever that may be) and humans will be completely reliant on 'natural' energies, we will at max be able to use the amount of energy the Sun provides our planet with per day, everyday.

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06/01/2010 3:43 PM

the other disadvantage of bio fuel is that for every acre/hectare grown for fuel, that is less food production. Plus, it takes more fuel to produce the crops than the crops produce.

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06/01/2010 11:08 PM

I agree that diversion of cultivation space for biofuel is paramount to sin, but must disagree in relation to your comment that it takes more fuel to produce the crops than the crops produce.

Current fuel usage per Ha of canola, or peanuts or sugar cane is measured in liters (because that's the relevant scale) while the output from the same area is measured in tonnes (because that's the relevant scale).

We were leant a tractor once that ran on peanut oil (for demonstration purposes) and the fuel consumption was comparable to conventional diesel tractor. The paddock involved yielded 2.5t/Ha of sunflower seed at 65% oil content. We didn't use more than 2000L of fuel to prepare, plant and harvest 150Ha. I'm sure there would have been a little left over.

(By the way, no fertilizer was used. Some "purists" use the energy production of fertilizer in their calculations.)

I suppose the ultimate biofuel is grass.

Dad used to talk of their farm where the horses were used. (Yes, real ones) Each horse could allow them to produce enough fodder to feed itself for a year and then still provide fodder for cattle and sheep. Farmers would not have moved to use those animals if there wasn't benefit. Tractors and other farm machinery introduce additional economies, like you don't have to feed/fuel them all 365 days of the year, only when you are using them.

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06/03/2010 5:42 PM

You should consider not using fertilizer as raping the earth. Taking from the soil and not giving equally back. Soil nutrient depletion should be as major a crime as polluting it with petroleum.

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06/03/2010 8:07 PM

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This most definitely should not be an "off topic" comment. It is very critical to consider how one replaces the nutrients extracted from the soil for ALL agricultural pursuits...History is replete with stories of collapsed civilizations that did not take this in to account...

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06/06/2010 5:47 PM

Wholeheartedly agree with your comment. I should have qualified my remark with no "artificial" fertilizers used.

We practiced full trash cultivation in the area. The cereals and oilseeds that were produced are mostly Carbon, Nitrogen and Hydrogen and Oxygen that ultimately come from atmospheric sources.

Farming is all about "maintaining the balance". Some choose to push the boundaries by adding substantial amounts of fertilizer (cost) and then need to cover that cost with additional yield, so they protect the crops by spraying herbicide and insecticides (more cost), they irrigate the crops with our scarce water (more cost) and these accelerated growing conditions then suck out the nutrients faster than the natural breakdown of the soil particles.

Getting back on topic. The best means to improve the effectiveness of biofuels is to create a situation where less is needed. Like using more appropriate transport methods, more efficient water heating and lighting, more effective manufacturing processes and so on so that each liter (or gallon) of fuel acually achieves more, regardless of whether it's bio or mined.

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06/07/2010 9:38 AM

I agree with you and appologise for my rude comments earlier. I just get angry when people think that those of us who are fighting to feed the world can fuel the world too. Most people in the cities do not want to admit that THEY are the problem and the answer as well.

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06/03/2010 9:07 PM

I nominate algae as the ultimate potential Biofuel feedstock

Sugar beets ain't too shabby either, the extraction of food grade sugar runs into diminishing returns after the 1st 50%. The bagasse can be converted to ethanol...

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06/02/2010 6:37 AM

Water is not the only problem. It takes about 200 hectares of agricultural land to produce 1 MW of energy from biofuels. This same 200 hectares can feed about 1700 people, maybe a little more, if we restrict calorie intake to world averages rather than first world standards...

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