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Are Alcoholic Innovations Going Too Far?

Posted November 11, 2010 7:25 AM

College campuses all over the United States are banning alcoholic energy drinks, citing a rash of alcohol poisonings and other alcohol related problems. On the heels of the ban comes news of still more pairings of alcohol with foods and beverages, including a yogurt that features 15% alcohol and an alcohol-infused whipped cream. Are these innovations going too far and making it too easy for underage drinkers to get a hold of these products? Or, is the industry just responding to what the consumers want?

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11/11/2010 11:14 AM

Oh, come on! You gotta be kidding me.

Yogurt that features 15% alcohol? Do I allow employees to have these for lunch? How do I monitor that? What about my kid taking lunch to school? Ridiculous. Is this really a product on the market? You gotta be kidding me.

Alcohol-infused whipped cream? What? See above.

I can hardly wait to see what is next. Maybe marijuana cigarettes laced with gin?

"Or, is the industry just responding to what the consumers want?" Consumers want pot and cannot get it. Consumers want guns; well OK, but the purchase is heavily regulated and taxed. The US government is no stranger to the practice of legislating our existence, making things better for us, because if we are left to our own devices we usually act like impetuous children. We do dumb stuff, like put alcohol in yogurt.

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11/11/2010 11:34 AM

Not done ranting yet.

I can see it now... my friends come over to watch a football game and I say aloud "Hey, I'm making a trip to the fridge. Who's ready for another yogurt with whip cream on top? How about dem Bears!" Man oh man, I'll be a big hit with the boys.

I can't stand it.

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11/11/2010 12:52 PM

Before I was 21 I don't recall getting alcohol as being much of a problem. Everyone had a older brother, sister, cousin, or friend who who would happily buy it for a little tip on the side or just to pass along the service that was done for them in their younger years.

One year my high school made a rule that anyone who was caught drinking was off of the sports programs for the whole year period no arguments no exceptions.

About one month later 17 out of the 18 basketball players where busted at a camp fire party including the coaches son several teachers kids and the principals son and daughter. Needless to say there was absolutely nothing done about it being it would have ruined the enter high schools sports program and overall image had they enforced the rule.

The next year the rule disappeared and was never spoke of again.

The point is underage drinking has always been there always will be there and sometimes all the best efforts to prevent it blow up in your face!

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11/12/2010 9:49 AM

when you were a kid you may have a energy bar.....but these energy drinks intentional lace the alcohol with high levels of caffeine. Send these empty head college students first time away from home to the ER. WHen a kid s%!t happens. But having the kid hospitalize because he bought it off the store shelf, does not make it all right.

or maybe you can look at it as weeding out the weakest of the herd. ;)

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11/12/2010 12:19 PM

To be fair, bars have been making mixed drinks using energy drinks from the moment they were introduced. Going back many years, ever hear of Gatorade and vodka?

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11/12/2010 1:15 PM

since they are shifting the responsibity to the bartender, the bartender can refuse to serve an intoxicated individual. And what's fair about it. It is business.

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11/12/2010 1:40 PM

Having been a bartender in an upscale hotel serving wealthy business clientele during the week, along with instant crowds after sporting events (we were directly connected, via elevated walkway, to the civic center/arena in Hartford Conn.) and many weekend as well as weekday conventions, and having once, and ONLY once, refused to serve an obviously, to any reasonable persons judgement, inebriated "guest", I can assure you that management frowns upon refusing anyone with cash in their hand. I was told, off the record and in no uncertain terms, to only notify security and let them handle it but serve the drink anyway. This covered the hotels butt, if I failed to contact them, but left mine hanging out since, legally, I was ultimately responsible for serving the drink. I don't know how courts look at the argument "I was told to serve the drink under threat of job loss" for some other trumped up minor reason, since we were union that was in bed with management. Ah, Hartford, the old days.

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11/12/2010 1:50 PM

quite a perdicament....spell check doesn't work

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11/16/2010 10:14 AM

Hi Jaguar,

You job is serving what the customer wants, so do it and don't have any opinion and judgement. They pay you for that, no? Or, forget the serving work and go to care about old people and kindergarden filled with youngs.

Concerning the addition of certain level of alcohol in drinks, without alcohol originally, I hope the adition is exclusively pure Ethanol. Natural alcohol in wine and other spiritious is good but manmade alcohol is most of the time containing other alcohols and one of them, Methanol is extremely dangerous. I remember the personal vengeance of a fired employee who made 30 or 40 blind persons with beer.

Personally, I am anyway against consumption of alcohol and more when youngs are involved. Wait to hear some accidents with these innovative alcohol conatining breverages, Gil.

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11/11/2010 2:37 PM

In yogurt? Wouldn't that kill the bacteria that's good for you? Oh well just fads won't last long, they come and go.

The only thing I see wrong with these concoctions of alcohol. Is introducing something like the ones with caffeine where the caffeine can retard the physical effects of the alcohol until you have consumed to much of it. Which is why the ban.

Most these campuses most likely already ban alcohol. So what's the big deal?

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11/12/2010 8:30 AM

The fall off of parental authority (want to be their friend) and the draconian implementations 21 law has contributed significantly to this problem.. Yeah, we use to get alcohol - beer - when we were 16 or 17 but we didn't go drinking 20 or 30 of them...because, among other reasons, they were too expensive. Sloppy drunks were ostracized, not encouraged, because the friends had to clean up the puke before the parents found out. We all got alcohol WHILE we were still under parental control so we learned to respect it, etc. Now we publicize & glamorize it to the kiddies for 10 years then send them away & let them start drinking on their own... what a swell idea...

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11/12/2010 10:03 AM

Ditto. I learned to drink responsibly even before I was legal at 18. I was hanging with my best friend and his older brother's (5-6 yrs older) crowd, and sloppy drunk was frowned upon.

At fifteen or so when school wasn't in session, I would work for my brother. My older brother ran a fishing boat for the owner who became unable to do the work, (lobster in the summer, gill netting in the winter) and he would take me in to his favorite watering hole for a brew at the end of the day. We usually stank to high hell still dressed in our gear, and beer tasted real good then. No problem getting seats at the bar.

I do recall fellow high schoolers recounting their binge drinking and puking by campfires in the town forest over the weekend. Yuk. Seemed so juvenile to me even then.

On the drinking age issue, it brings me to one of my pet peeves. Why do we allow young men and women to volunteer to serve our nation and put themselves in harms way, and yet they can't even drink a beer?

But ultimately, this talk of banning drinks or products just strikes me as excessive nannyism. What the hell happened to personal responsibility???

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11/12/2010 4:46 PM

Personal responsibility went the way of being a parent not a friend... 8o(

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11/12/2010 4:44 PM

Remove the word alcohol and replace with marijuana, cocaine, LSD or heroin ........ does anyone's stated arguments about state sponsered nannyism change? Why?

Personally? Legalize them all, properly label them, tax them and let personal responsibility rule. Put the drug cartels out of business and the Darwin Award winners will probably cause the national average IQ to rise by about 25%.

Of course like alcohol no driving or working allowed under the influence because those things will endanger others. Go ahead endanger yourself all you want.

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11/12/2010 5:54 PM

and let personal responsibility rule., Put the drug cartels out of business and the Darwin Award winners will probably cause the national average IQ to rise by about 25%.

I do agree that you pull the lack of competion that drive up the price but......

Of course like alcohol no driving or working allowed under the influence because those things will endanger others. Go ahead endanger yourself all you want.

Do you really think someone that is high is responsible.

I still wish that is not your duaghter or anyones for that matter that gets killed by someone who is high while this is happening.

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11/12/2010 6:10 PM

While what is happening?

People being high is happenening in every city all the time. My argument is that by legalizing these activities we can better control them by bringing them out of the back allies into the light. Most drug related deaths (not including drunk driving) either take place because the person doesn't know what they are taking or someone gets killed during the commission of a crime committed to get the funds needed to pay the hugely inflated cost of the drugs.

Many people on this website rage about government control of their lives ..... except when it comes to drugs. Why the hypocrasy? Last I read the U.S. government spends something like 50 billion a year to combat drugs (in a war they are lossing) and another 50 billion to incarcerate people caught with small amounts of recreational drugs. The "home of the free" puts more of it's own citizens in jail than any other country?

One more point, tests have shown that alcohol reduces reaction time but also cognative abilities, so drunk drivers are not only bad drivers but stupid drivers as well. Pot however reduces reation time but not the cognative abilities. Some tests have shown stoned drivers preform even better than sober drivers because they KNOW their reaction time is down. They speed less, they tailgate less they take fewer risks.

Can we discuss prostitution next? Another missed taxation oppertunity.

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11/13/2010 7:50 AM

While what is happening?

while this is happening

Legalize them all, properly label them, tax them and let personal responsibility rule. Put the drug cartels out of business and the Darwin Award winners will probably cause the national average IQ to rise by about 25%.

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11/16/2010 10:42 AM

Hi Apothicus,

It's not a joke but when a government allows one product on the marketplace the next will follow. Your enumeration will be realistic and innovatively introduced to the market very soon. I wish not but who knows!?

How to lie on your label? Simply add the dangerous product to one of your products and name it on the label as an additive. Just a fictive example. You make yoghurt. This product will contain some corn syrop that will be on your yoghurt label as ingredient. You can add a certain % of something dangerous as industrial alcohol. Your yoghurt label will shows only yoghurt with corn syrop. You will be fine.

The big problem with these mixed drinks that when some problem arose no one is responsible.

Wish good luck and drink safely, Gil.

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11/16/2010 11:00 AM

Hi Everyone,

This is not new or innovation. All the time, people in different countries or continents mixed alcohol with many things, veggies, fruits, and macerate meat in alcohol to inhanse the taste.

In here, certain people read the laws and find that they can do for business what they do. We can understand that lots of money was invested to exploit the market, young population eager to consume alcohol. Today, when is the possibility for a market to exploit, people do everything to get the advantage out of that market.

Personally, I don't drink alcohol and don't recommand to no one to do it, Gil.

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11/19/2010 4:16 PM

Yes, they are.

Then whats next ?

Looks like the best way to protect your health is to read the labels, then decide what you want to put into your body, & how much.

Will it cause you to not be in your right mind ?

Will it cause you to not be able to think straight ?

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11/19/2010 3:57 PM

Yes, they are.

Then whats next ?

Looks like the best way to protect your health is to read the labels, then decide what you want to put into your body, & how much.

Will it cause you not to be in your right mind ?

Will it cause you to not be able to think straight ?

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