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Water War

Posted May 22, 2011 8:00 AM

We've all cursed the plastic water bottle — for its environmental impact, or because we didn't think of it first — but is the Dasani "plant bottle" worthy of so much disrespect? Coca-Cola maintains its new bottle is more eco-friendly, since 30% less petroleum is consumed during its manufacture and the product includes 30% sugar cane-based plastic. Environmentalists point to the remaining 70% PET and cry "greenwashing." Is it a step in the right direction for companies to lower their carbon footprint, or a diversionary greenwashing of water bottles?

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05/22/2011 9:06 AM

The greens should go pack sand!

They will never be happy as they have no idea what they want.

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05/24/2011 5:03 AM

Ah!!

What an interesting topic!!

I can agree with your comment russ123..

For eg.

A Friend of mine who is a Greenpeace Activist, Mumbai rattled about the ratings on the triangles on the bottles...

On how.. when he takes up every coke bottle.. He sees a <1> on it and declares from his infinite wisdom that he has gained over the years that these are the bottles that cannot be degraded and contributes to.... wait for it... Floods in Mumbai?? .. and a <3> is better??

Well .. for the record..

The number codes inside the "recycling triangle" on the bottoms of plastic containers indicate the material that the container is made from.

The codes and materials are (from Ref 1):

1 - Polyethylene Terephthalate (PET)

2 - High Density Polyethylene (HDPE)

3 - Polyvinyl Chloride (PVC)

4 - Low Density Polyethylene (LDPE)

5 - Polypropylene (PP)

6 - Polystyrene (PS)

7 - Other Plastics

The material determines how recycling may occur. For instance, many recycling operations will not accept Code 7 material, because the wide variety of plastics makes recycling difficult.

Plastics coded 1 and 2 are recycled the most (Ref 2). Other less recyclable plastics are polyvinyl chloride (PVC - code 3), low-density polyethylene (LDPE code 4), polypropylene (PP - code 5), polystyrene (PS - code 6) and any other plastic (code 7)...

Now which one is better... is for us to decide..

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05/22/2011 11:13 AM

I believe bottled water is a ripoff anyways. But do these environmentalist, just like PETA, should just not use it....period.

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05/23/2011 12:49 AM

I suppose in the grand scheme of things plastic water bottles are an extravagant use of limited energy resources. But I wonder how many days that our nations's annual energy use for plastic water bottles would run a single coal fired electric generating station.

In my house they are a simple luxury for my handicaped wife who has few pleasures in life beyond the enjoyment of a nice meal and something tasty to drink besides our bad tasting well water. She can handle the bottles herself without me having to frequently fill glasses for her. Things like that give her a sense of self sufficiency that has largely gone from her life.

Every single bottle gets recycled. I drink the well water and use the bottles to hold that water for my own drinking out in the shop and while outdoors managing our property. And those bottles always recycle. Every last one of them. The bottled water we buy also works well for batteries and other uses requiring distilled water.

I'm thinking the greenies will eventually bludgeon the politicians into banning water in small bottles. I don't think that will win a lot of friends to their cause. Then I'll go buy some permanent drinking water bottles, spend a pile of money on an RO system and plan on a disinfectant wash process for reusing the bottles. That's necessary for sanitary reasons.

Maybe the answer is to double or triple the "deposit" on these bottles. That is no problem for me. It would be a whole lot cheaper tying up money for a month or so in a couple of hundred bottles (say $30) than an investment of several hundred in a RO system.

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05/23/2011 9:43 AM

I remember when there were few options for buying bottled water, and then came this mass market "product." What the heck would anyone need to buy a bottle of water for, I thought? We all have culinary systems, and you can just buy a bottle of Coke, Gatorade, whatever, drink it, then fill it with water. (You still can, and that's what I often do.)

There is a large element of marketing at its best here, almost to the "Pet Rock" level.

If your local water supply sucks, the answer is not to participate in a world-wide project to replace it with glamorized tap water in billions of disposable (and very often NOT recycled) plastic bottles, it is to FIX YOUR LOCAL WATER SUPPLY... Duh.

But the new Coke bottle is better than nothing.

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05/23/2011 11:48 AM

Ah, yes. A bottle of water purchased at a store. Marketing's answer to "The Emperor's New Clothes"

An item I used to sell was the water cooler, or drinking fountain. When you stopped at a gasoline service station (now usually a Convenience Center), you could have a drink of water, compliments of the store you were patronizing. These were also common at grocery stores, schools, office buildings... just about everywhere. The facilities considered the pitch from water bottlers, "Why give it away, you paying for the electricity to cool the water as well as purchasing the equipment itself, when you can sell them a bottle of water for a dollar?" Remove the drinking fountain, make the water bottles available for sale, and listen to the cash register ring.

And thus the bottled water industry was born. BAH! There have been circumstances where I purchase water in a sometimes misguided belief it is better (while traveling, for example, and I know the local tap water gives me trouble), but domestic tap water is my usual selection. I have seen people order a bottle of water at a restaurant, and pour it over a glass of ice... Where do they think the ice came from?

Green bottles for water? How about no bottles for water.

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05/25/2011 3:38 PM

Bottled water is a big ripoff. You pay for the bottle, the machinery to produce it, the storage, distribution and advertising. You end up paying 50¢ for 2¢ worth of water. Most of the water is distilled anyway. A gullible public makes fortunes for the bottled water industry. When will they start using plastic containers for beer?

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05/26/2011 8:32 AM

I never drink anything unless it's beer!

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