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Future Energy Sources 1.10.1 Stirling Engines

Posted April 21, 2007 7:32 AM by masu
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This week I would like to look at Stirling engines and their use in generating electricity. A Stirling engine is a closed cycle, external combustion, reciprocating engine that was initially developed by the Reverend Dr Robert Stirling with later contributions from his brother James Stirling. Dr Stirling's was inspired to develop the engine as a safer alternative to the high pressure steam engines that were becoming relatively common in the early part of the 19th century. High pressure steam engines require a high pressure boiler and poor maintenance and lack of proper operation had at that time, caused several devastating accidents when the pressure vessel had failed.

Stirling engines work on a closed system with two separate chambers, one connected to a heat source and the other to a heat sink. Both chambers contain pistons that are connected to a common flywheel so that they are 90° out of phase. This out of phase oscillation causes the combined volume of the two cylinders to cycle between a maximum and minimum limit. By applying a heat source to one cylinder and heat sink to the other you can produce a cyclic motion and convert heat energy into mechanical energy.

The four steps to the basic cycle of a stirling engine are this:

  1. The cycle starts with the piston in the hot cylinder near the bottom of its stroke and most of the gas in the heating cylinder. The gas now gains energy from the heating medium and as it expands if forces the piston in the cooling cylinder down.
  2. As the cycle continues the piston in the heating cylinder forces the gas into the cooling cylinder.
  3. The gas in the cooling cylinder is now compressed but as it has radiated energy into the cooling system the energy required to compress the gas is less than the energy that was gained when it expanded..
  4. Finally the cooled gas is now forced back into the heating cylinder where the cycle starts over.

There have been numerous modifications and additions made to stirling engines but the basic principle and cycle of operation remains the same.

In theory stirling engines can approach 80% efficiencies but they are limited in the amount of power they can produce by the rate that heat can be transferred to and removed from the gas that is used within the closed cycle. Ideally this gas that is used in the closed cycle should have a high specific heat capacity and good thermal conductivity while not liquefying at any temperature or pressure that occurs during the cycle. The best gasses to use in the closed cycle are hydrogen and helium however due to their small molecular size they are prone to leaking and require regular topping up. Hydrogen also poses the problem of explosion and can infiltrate metals making them brittle,

Because stirling engines are external combustion engines they can use any source of heat including combustion, nuclear, solar, geothermal, hydrothermal, or any other source that can provide a sufficient temperature difference. This makes them ideal for use with renewable energy sources and bio-fuels from rubbish dumps and the like.

Stirling engines have been around for nearly two centuries and can achieve efficiencies that other engines can't even come close to matching. However they are severely limited by the rate that energy can be transferred to and removed from the gas within the closed cycle. This has generally limited their use to static installations where they are used to either generate electricity or supply some sort of drive to a mechanical system. Even so there are numerous companies throughout the world producing stirling engine generators systems and whilst the power to weight ration is relatively poor you can purchase systems with outputs in the order of 55 Kw or more.

You can learn more about stirling engines from the following links

  1. Stirling Engines: Wikipedia
  2. Stirling Engines FAQ: American Stirling Company
  3. Stirling & Hot Air Engines: Robert Sier
  4. Stirling Engines: How Stuff Works
  5. New Simplified Heat Engine: eMachineShop.com

What are your thoughts on stirling engines. Do they present an as yet untapped potential to harvest renewable energy sources or have they been developed to a point that they can not be further advanced? If they are so efficient and reliable why are w not using them more frequently? Is the rate heat can be exchanged with the gas a limiting factor that is insurmountable and something that will doom the stirling engine to specialist applications?

This article is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License and uses material from the Wikipedia article "Stirling Engines"

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12/10/2007 8:43 AM

Hi Gwen.

Yes I can relate to what you have said about stirling engines combined with a parabolic mirror. I think that it is a horrific state of affairs when stirling engines cannot be purchase over the counter in this day and age. They do not have to be high powered, in many cases 1kw is enough, but the problem as ever is adverse publicity! Also, they do not have to be too complicated, in fact it is completely possible to manufacture a 1 to 5kw stirling engine quite cheaply these days. But politics being politics this will not happen until it is too late.

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12/10/2007 9:57 AM

Spencer,

Go the www.bomin-solar.de and tell me what you think. Remember, manufacturers will not tool up to make something that no one will buy. The fact that knowledgeable engineers, such as those in this discussion, know so little about Stirling engines is likely indicative of the strength of public demand for the devices.

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12/10/2007 12:34 PM

Hi mrdick,

What am I supposed to deduce by this???

Spencer.

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12/10/2007 1:10 PM

1. It is my understanding that Bomin Solar has developed and may currently offer a solar-powered Stirling that generates small amounts of power for household use. No deduction required.

2. We would like to be manufacturers of a larger (500kW) Stirling engine to serve markets where we have assessed the demand and believe it to be very high. We would put them "on the shelves". However, investors have not been willing to take the risk required to help us prove the concept behind our design. My deduction is that so little is known about Stirling technology that few are willing to take the risk to advance the science. This being the case, it should not be surprising that the shelves are not full of Stirling engines. Too bad, certainly, but not surprising.

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12/10/2007 2:44 PM

Hi mrdick.

This is not news to me, as I was engaged in a program of developing stirling engines in the 1970s and 80s I soon discovered where the problems lay. Here are the reasons why:

First and foremost, Oil Barons; Second, Politics; Thirdly, Not enough public information.

I had developed a small 1kw stirling engine for use in the home or in developing countries to produce enough power for the induvidual home, and I am not the only one! The biggest problem at the time was that nearly all of the development was in automobile engines, this proved too expensive per unit. But the smaller air engine was ignored!

Here in the UK we can purchase a home unit driven by household gas to produce not only hot water and provide central heating but elecricity as well. The problem is that there has been no marketing whatsoever? ie. very few people have them.

Spencer.

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12/10/2007 3:10 PM

Scap,

You must be referring to the WhisperGen unit for home co-generation. Funny - it's so quiet, no one has heard of it. We are considering the viability of a 5-10kW unit using a solar thermal heating element complemented by a bio- or natural gas burner. Unlike the WhisperGen, which is thermally driven and, thus, provides little electricity in the summer, our unit would be power-driven, providing power around the clock and thermal for hot water when available. (A storage medium of some sort would level the supply.) We think there is a huge market for this if developed properly, but we have gone forward with our larger unit (250-2,000kW) because the industrial heat market is equally large. All of our engines will be low delta T for life-cycle cost reasons.

I generally agree with your assessment of the barriers to Stirling development. However, our large engines will be converting waste industrial heat to power, and not replacing the use of oil products. In fact, our steam-condensing model should help refinery economics.

Our House of Representatives is considering an energy bill that includes the production of power from wasted heat as a "renewable resource" for purposes of qualifying under various environmental regulations. The Senate bill does not include this measure. You can hear all three of us yelling at our Senators to get with the program.

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01/02/2008 11:29 PM

Could you provide an address or e-Mail address for this unit. It seems rather retarded to tool up for a product that already exists...Joe jsindorf@juno.com tnx

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12/10/2007 6:43 PM

thanks for all the comments... i will be going through them and answering/asking a little more....didnt realise that there was so much passion - for and against - the sterling - but i will try and give a proper reply asap... the response has been excellent so it may take a while ... thanks for taking the time and making the effort to help

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12/23/2007 1:47 PM

I just registered and was accepted, but haven't uploaded my email to get confirmation because I didn't want to lose this thread...

I am thinking about utilizing the waste heat in the exhaust system of a front wheel drive vehicle to power a stirling engine. The stirling would drive an alternator that would in turn charge the battery pack. The rear wheel assembly would be replaced with a rear wheel drive assembly. The modified drive shaft would be attached to the electric motor assembly making the vehicle an efficient home made hybrid.

Let me know what you think?

Hermit 4

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07/06/2008 9:34 AM

HI masu !

in the sterling engine generator setup if the exhaust can be recycled it would cut down on outside fuel use. this process allowes the engine to work in itself with a little help from out side sources. the smaller the input the cheaper it will run.

THANKS

GOLDRUSHNUGGET999

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