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Compact Earth Loaders Conquer Europe

Posted December 01, 2011 9:19 AM

Visit a commercial construction site in Europe and chances are you'll see a compact wheel loader or two in operation. But visit a similar job-site in North America and it's a good bet you won't see a compact wheel loader but instead a skid-steer.

How do we explain the popularity of one style of compact earth moving machine over the other? And what does geography have to do with it, if anything at all?

According to some experts, the popularity of the skid-steer began in Western Europe more than two decades ago due to its low fuel consumption, which became an attractive attribute there far earlier than it did in the U.S.

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Re: Compact Earth Loaders Conquer Europe

12/01/2011 9:28 AM

Aw, of course: roughly translated - 'mini-diggers' versus 'bobcats'!

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12/01/2011 10:26 PM

If you want to know and get the audience to participate, why not insert a photo of each type? I have never loaded wheels of any type, let alone compact wheel, same for skids.

Yes, I know they are not as I say, but why start a topic and block it at the same time?

As you can see, very few comments.

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12/02/2011 12:16 AM

It would comedown to the cost and availability of each at the time of capital outlay, the space available, the material relocation distances, the number of operators at each site (traffic), what operators already have in their legacy fleet inventories, the terrain and what is actually being built.

In my part of the world there are hardly any "bob cat" type implements. Tracked vehicles are most common, and manual labour is widely exploited.

Whatever. It just needs doing at the end of the day.

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12/02/2011 3:03 AM

If i may, i think it may be down to the fact that building sites here in europe get pretty boggy during the winter and so the use of compact wheel loader with its higher ground clearance may be one reason.I think that maybe also the fact that they are articulated and turning in tight spots would be easier.

Saying that a "Bobcat" can spin on itself but i should imagine that its turning is rather eratic if it loses grip then gains it when trying to try.

In the UK you tend not to see many wheel loaders on sites but rather mini digger/excavators and 4 wheel drive dumpers.

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12/02/2011 10:24 AM

I've worked on a lot of constructions sites in the US, and it's clear to me that the preference for Bobcats comes from their maneuverability. The Bobcat can move around freely in tight spaces because of its independant left and right wheel controls. This feature combined with their short wheel base makes it possible to turn a Bobcat 360 degrees in a space that is only about 8 feet in diameter.

Something that others have called a drawback to the Bobcat is it's low head clearance. On the contrary, the low head clearance of a Bobcat is also an advantage because they can fit through a standard residential garage door and thus be used for indoor construction.

The trend in the US is to build steel warehouse-like structures that cover thousands of square feet of land for every commercial purpose that one can think of - department stores, grocery stores, schools, libraries, fire depots, barns, etc. In such large single-story facilities it is possible to put the roof on first and do most of the construction work under cover thus avoiding delays caused by inclement weather. Once the metal roof is installed on the building the versitile Bobcat is used for moving gravel, concrete, pallets, and just about anything else that will fit in a bucket around inside the structure.

The problem of a realtively low bucket lift is easily solved by dumping a little gravel on the ground to make a 3-4 foot tall ramp. This gravel eventually gets scouped up by the Bobcat and used when needed.

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12/02/2011 5:43 AM

It seems also to be an issue withthe loading capacity and working distance / height.

Bobcats in most cases can move the load just infront of the driver. In many cases the driver can hardly see over the loaded showel. And the possible lifting height is limited as the machine itself is rather low.

Using a compact wheel loader the counter weight (motor of the engine) is far away from the joint for the showel and the loading capacity is higher. The lifting height & overview is also an advantage when unloading trucks. Bobcat drivers sit in most cases below the loading platform of a truck and the vision is limited.

As the driver sits higher he has a better view over the working area (also to the back which is rather limited with bobcat style vehicles). Another issue is that in most cases there is not a "bobcat driver" but everybody on the worksite can handle the wheel loader (with the sufficient licence!) So people hop and off the unit. In case of bobcats this is rather inconvienient if the showel is fully loaded..

But you can rent them and they are available also on many sites but might be the handling is the advantage for the wheel loader. In landscaping both are used but for critcal slopes etc. bobcats have real advantages..

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12/02/2011 6:24 AM

I was wondering whether there were more farmers that did earthworks and material handling on the side in Europe than in the USA. Can drive to site over short distances.....

That compact wheel loader looked like an articulated farm tractor to me.

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12/02/2011 6:38 AM

Then there is this possibility....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5GUF3TFsMwI

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12/02/2011 10:36 AM

A lot of it is availability, and just different isolated areas. Both have their advantages, but get in a conversation with a Ford guy over Chevys. There are valid reasons that one works better than the other in a geographical area (or in the car's case - simply in one's own mind), but then there is the peer pressure that goes into the purchase as well.

Europe has more of a tendency to travel from one place to another (farmers do NOT live on their land - they live in town). The farmers need wheel loaders - they drive from home several miles to their land to do the work. Many farms do not even have sheds on them. The wheel loader will travel much faster and more stably than a skid steer. In the US the farmer commutes across the yard and stores the skid steer 50 feet from 90% of its uses. The skid steer will get around in a smaller building and is much more agile, but slow on the open road, and any I have driven have to be corrected every 30 feet or so due to never being able to exactly drive in a straight line. Tire life on a wheel loader is much longer - also a consideration if you are driving it a lot.

Of course, this is not completely correct for construction, but some of those differences play in. I also imagine (but am not sure) that due to the small streets and close distances, equipment in Europe seldom sees a trailer. If you are a house builder, and you can't get a dump truck with a 40' goose neck through the neighborhood you are working in, you are driving it a ways on the road. At that point drive it from one neighborhood to the other and skip the trailer all-together. Also, if you have to move the dirt from a hole, drive around a house, down the driveway, into the ally, down the street, and put it in a truck or on a pile, the wheel loader will kick the skid loader's butt. If you dig it, turn 180, and move 20' to dump, the skid loader will walk all over the wheel loader.

Then the peer pressure takes over: If the farmers all use a specific unit (for very valid reasons), and some of the contractors need them for very valid reasons, where do you think the fence sitters are going to go? Then add the fact that 90% of the used equipment available is of one type or the other you know where most of the first-time purchasers are headed. It is at the end of the day a colloquialism, but it was initially driven by some intelligent purchases (and probably effective marketing campaigns).

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