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The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence

Posted October 24, 2012 9:56 AM by HUSH
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There has been a general disregard on CR4 for NASA's Curiosity rover that is currently exploring the Martian topography. How could this be largely ignored by an engineering community? Allow me to play alarmist.

Conspiracy theory! Little green men! Jodie Foster in Contact! AHHHHH!

Ok. While only a few of us actually believe this is possible, Curiosity has indeed stumbled upon some interesting finds on the red planet. Last week, speculation presided over the origin of metallic specks in the Martian soil. While scientists believe these shiny objects are indigenous to Mars, they aren't jumping to the conclusion of alien life as the source. It's suspected that soil or mineral forming processes are the cause. Though if it was Mork, I'd somehow be okay with that.

The objective of Curiosity is to find out if life on Mars was ever sustainable, even at microbial levels. This is just one example of the three-pronged search for extraterrestrial intelligence, or SETI.

The Search

In October 1978, 20-year-old Victorian Fred Valentich was piloting a single-engine aircraft over Australia's Bass Straight. Nearly 50 minutes into his flight, he requested information on nearby aircraft. None were reported or detected, though Valentich had visual confirmation of an aircraft tailing him and "playing some sort of game." After a series of exchanges in which Valentich changed his identification of the craft from a military jet to "not an aircraft," 17 seconds of metal-on-metal scraping were recorded by flight controllers. Frederick Valentich and his airplane were never seen or heard from again, and no credible (including skeptical) leads have surfaced.

I'll be the first to admit this seems far-fetched, but in 1960 leading astronomers, chemists, and businessmen met to outline the probability of intelligent life. Astronomer Frank Drake proposed this equation, meant to establish a working number of how many extraterrestrial civilizations located in the Milky Way that could communicate with Earth. He arrived at 10,000.

There are obvious flaws in this equation, but it serves to underscore the point that alien life isn't possible, but rather probable.

"So then where are all these civilizations?"

That becomes the obvious question. Enrico Fermi, an Italian physicist, proposed that this is the result of one of three causes: intelligent life is much rare than we believe; our current detection methods are incomplete; or our observations are incomplete. The latter two are considered the most likely amongst leading SETI proponents. Some believe that extraterrestrial societies avoid Earth intentionally, allowing it to develop naturally and withholding contact until it passes some technological or ethical threshold.

The Future SETI

In his novel A Brief History of Time world-renown physicist Steven Hawking suggests broadcasting the position of Earth is reckless, and science-fiction films typically depict extraterrestrials as menacing overlords. These films also depict humans repelling intergalactic travelers, but a species with interstellar travel capabilities would likely conquer Earth with minimal effort. Remarkably, experts largely reason that alien beings would be benevolent, and much could be gained by both sides from cooperation. Technologically advanced people would be expected to be morally advanced as well, and many of the Earth's most successful societies have been benevolent as a whole. Finally, if extraterrestrials are making a concerted effort to avoid meddling in terrestrial affairs, it shows evidence of some galactic union. Malevolent alien invaders could very well be policed by other celestial forces, essentially turning things in the exact plot of Transformers.

Currently, SETI initiatives rely on exploration rovers (such as Curiosity), radio astronomy, and discovering new, possibly habitable planets. Exploration rovers remain in their first generation of development and the discovery of Earth-like planets is not enough to assume life is present. As such, active SETI, or the broadcasting of messages to extraterrestrials, remains the best hope for communication. Attempts at such were gold plaques and records attached to the Pioneer and Voyager spacecrafts, but are unlikely to reach an intelligent civilization in the Earth's lifetime. Exceptionally simple radio transmission is the most practical medium for contact aliens, with the first message "Mir, Lenin, and CCCP" directed at Venus. Gee, wonder who sent that one? The next interstellar transmission was the Arecibo message sent to Messier 13, a star cluster 24,000 light years away. (Remember: light year is a distance, not time.) This message contained numerals, atomic numbers, the make-up of DNA, and some other essential information. Radio transmission remains the heart of SETI, and it will likely be our first contact with extraterrestrial beings.

Post-Detection

It's true. I'm not afraid to comment on topics provoking skepticism and supernaturalism. Yet, we're not talking about things that go bump in the night or bats that turn in to fanged humanoids.

These are legitimate scientific enterprises that I hope someday, just maybe in my life, I get to see some payoff from. I'd say $2.6 billion in tax dollars, for Curiosity alone, assures me that something significant will be discovered thanks to NASA's ambitious rover program, even if it's not Martians.

Though, if by chance it is, you'd be happy to know that many organizations already have little dockets in place known as post-detection protocols. And in 'Merica, it's called Superman.

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Image credits: PC Mag; ZD Net; G Static; Wikipedia; Zuko; Deadline

Wikipedia - Active SETI; Post-detection policy; Cultural impace of extraterrestrial contact; Fermi paradox; Drake equation; Zoo hypothesis

Bell Jar News - NASA's Curiosity rover discovers strange, bright object

IETI - Contact: Long-term Implications for Humanity

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Re: The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence

10/24/2012 11:37 AM

Some thoughts triggered by alarmism:

  • Are single-cellular organisms and plants 'intelligent'? They are undoubtedly life according to most definitions.
  • If the panspermia hypothesis were found correct, then life would have been traced back to some common starting point over n>1 planets, ascertaining the number of which is one of the objectives of today's Mars probes. Therefore the intelligence that has developed on Earth (no wisecracks, please!) would also have developed elsewhere to a different extent.
  • If life had arrived from a dying body elsewhere using some object as a form of lifeboat, then all terrestrial life would be intrinsically a development of life elsewhere - a pandemic, perhaps. Was the Chicxulub event really an attempt to end it?
  • As far as the rovers on Mars is concerned, they undoubtedly have a level of pre-programmed intelligence on board and a means of memorising it, so that they can continue to function automatically; the time delay between Earth and Mars inhibits any real-time remote control function from Earth. As these rovers originated from Earth, they must therefore fall within the term ETI, or even extra-martian-intelligence, though they cannot be called life. By the same definition, they are ETI as far as Earth is concerned, as the on-board intelligence is currently roving a body other than Earth.
  • Does intelligence require a physical presence in order to exist?
  • There may well be life that will not respond to an ETI search, either because of ability or desire.

So the terms ETI and 'extra-terrestrial-life' are not synonymous. The term 'extra-terrestrial-life' would be contentious in itself. It would largely defy definition and harks back to a time when differences such as culture, characteristics and ideology were perhaps more prevalent than of now. Upon discovery of something loosely fitting such a poor descriptor, why would one need to create such a distinction when the need would not exist <rhetorical question - NNTR>?

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10/24/2012 3:54 PM

The objective of Curiosity is to find out if life on Mars was ever sustainable.

Isn't it just looking for the ingredients of life? Finding a sack of flour, some water. and a pinch of salt, wouldn't imply a loaf of bread may be lurking up there.

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10/25/2012 4:11 AM

It depends on the definition of the word "ingredients". In chemical terms the elements that can be compiled into life forms are rather widespread; one only has to scan the data compiled from other bodies in the solar system to appreciate it. However, in biological terms, the ingredients have combined to make life only on this planet according to current knowledge. While Mars is the next most obvious place to look given current technology, one must take all steps necessary to ensure that any biology discovered is not a recent immigrant.

Items brought back from the surface of the Moon have contained biology that was transferred from Earth by earlier missions and then returned in a viable condition having withstood a period of high vacuum, a lack of shielding from solar and cosmic radiation, a lack of water and wide temperature swings, conditions that loosely describe today's environment on Mars as well. As well as microbes, twelve astronauts would fit that description! Were biology to be found on Mars, the possibility of it being an immigrant brought in by the current or an earlier exploratory expedition would need to be eliminated during the analysis.

It's amazing how technically difficult all this stuff really is.

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10/25/2012 5:34 AM

other bodies in the solar system

..now I'm scared !

However, in biological terms, the ingredients have combined to make life only on this planet according to current knowledge

That would be our current knowledge ? ET may be hiding and just not telling us....now I'm getting very scared....

...Talking of 'ingredients', can electricity be considered an 'ingredient' (if it is needed) ?

There is plenty of life at the bottom of the sea that hasn't been discovered yet. Can we presume it isn't intelligent ? I watched The Abyss, so I know this stuff. I bet my tuppence against NASA's umpteen billion that there is more life (and life that we can learn from) down in the briney. NASA will feel very silly when they set up Mars Base 1, only to discover that much of the technology may have been here for the finding.

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10/25/2012 12:24 PM

Think your scared. Look at it from ET stand point. We don't play nice with our own species. How could ET expect us to play nice with them. I'd hide too.

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10/25/2012 1:37 PM

So, ET crosses the galexy. Ho-hum, there are a few bits and bobs of use. Shall we ask the carbon lifeforms if we may have them ? Roll this back to 'civilized society' meeting arboriginal peoples.....we leave them as marginal people, addicted to drugs, and see them as lesser beings.

As much a it saddens me, we do not deserve our place. To live on Mars (or even the Moon) would be amazing. That doesn't stop me going into fantasy.

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10/26/2012 8:14 AM

If ET crossed the galaxy funded by others that wanted to see a return on their investment. I'm sure that we would meet them.

That's some thing to be scared about.

Even in the exploration of Mars there are those that look at what is there to gain.

What point does Human Society have to progress. That no one see dollar signs and everyone just sees the wonder of it all.

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10/26/2012 4:28 PM

Addressing that backwards;

The Star Trek series portrays a situation where they have need for nothing, they just ask the replicator. It's entertaining fun, but a nonsense. Where there is need of commodity, some sort of exchange takes place. We could barter, but some form of exchange currency would be in use (OMG - if we stil;l have bankers, stop the world because I want to get off).

Exploring Mars involves lots of gain. It may (or may not) filter down to the average person. Who knows what sort of technologies may result. I can't cite examples offhand, but visiting the crusty lump of rock that is our moon has led to developments in other fields far apart. Yep, it's down to $$$.

Your first paragraph is more interesting (to me). Would ET want a ROI, or just be seeking knowledge (it's that star Trek thing again). I never managed to read all of A Brief History of Time, but I'm told that Hawking suggests that broadcsating our location is a bad idea.

My own take is that as a species we are not up to meeting ET. It's a difficult thing to decide between expenditure on exploring space etc, whilst juggling humanitarian aid. A wsorld with so many languages and wars is not going to impress any visitor.

Thanks, ozzb, that's a thought provoking responce.

{Janisarries : that's lolling funny, but can you give a link next time - there are bits of Americana that are sometimes hard to follow, and some peeps cannot access links at work. I'm being a bit cheap and replying to two post at once)

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10/26/2012 10:19 AM

ET would say "Hmm, I wonder if they have Reeces Pieces?"

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These are the 3 Philosophy Aliens, 'Seenoevil', 'Speeknoevil', and 'Keepyourevilinyourpants'

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10/25/2012 9:08 AM

oooooooo.............Are single-cellular organisms and plants 'intelligent'?...........it's the yeast.......an insidious beast with a singularity of purpose...the enslavement of the human species who continue to care for, protect and feed it with a type of reverence not unlike worship.........name one CR4'er who isn't a slave to yeast and it's byproduct alcohol. NOW that is intelligence!

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I'd missed yeast in #2, though I excuse myself on the basis of yeast being an organism in itself. Then again. Nice to see you around, Duck.

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Good lord.........I just returned from Narnia BC where the occupants are as happy in purpose as they are dim of wit. When were you there?

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Who do you think warmed the seat for you ?

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10/26/2012 4:47 PM

That may have come accross to others as a bit rude. I was just tugging your flippery feet. Sorry, Duck. My bad .

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10/27/2012 9:50 AM

Say WoT? Had the creatures next to you been one and the same as next to me your mindset towards euthanizing the lot would have allotted many a murderous brownie point towards eliminating non-intelligible alien organisms and their lollipops....with much gratitude from the rest of the passengers!

I was about to extend my sympathies.

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10/27/2012 10:38 AM

'about' doesn't quite cut it, you sneaky pond rat. If you would like some punctuation, I'm holding a lot in reserve.

psst - that smiley icon enables one to add a tongue-in-cheek smiley, yah ?

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10/27/2012 4:35 PM

As long as you're punctual about it who'm'I to say nay...........

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10/25/2012 12:28 AM

We have been up to our neck in it already. Why playing alarmist and accusing us of neglecting the rover mission?

I feel grossliy neglected here.

And the correct answer is 42 and Kilroy was there!

(or was it a bird feather earring?)

Live on Mars, my a...!

Admin, we need a space section so we have better means of keeping track with our missions!

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Admin, we need a space section so we have better means of keeping track with our missions!

...we did. It got 'archived'.

Methinks HUSH is just stirring the pot to keep this one going. It's a very interesting topic, but there is a bigger debate going on right now on planet Earth. Come to think of it, HUSH had a jolly good idea in posting this.

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10/26/2012 1:15 AM

If you look at it from the science sincere and earnest point you are right. I was just missing the acknowledgement that we already actually realised the Rover Mission was on.

The discussion here of course is valid and very interesting.

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10/25/2012 3:39 AM

"Are we alone?"

Some words require very careful definition before use. The words "we" and "us" and their associated possessives are among them. Here's why:

  • If life were found on other worlds that had a common origin to the prevailing life on this planet, then "it" would be a distant relative of "us", so the answer to the question remains "yes". It just means that "we" are in two places, instead of one.
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10/25/2012 5:19 PM

If that is true, would we be able to breed?

Which brings home another question regarding mermaids. I saw on the Discovery Channel of evidence pointing to the existence of mermaids and we all coming from the same origins. My question is, would we be able to cross breed?

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10/25/2012 8:16 PM

My question is, would we be able to cross breed?
Not if their fins start at the waist.

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Depends on how long you can hold your breath.

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They're still air breathing.

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Those of a sensitive nature may not wish to click, but there is a fair bit of news.

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http://www.mapaplanet.org/explorer-bin/explorer.cgi?map=Moon&layers=moon_clementine_multi&info=YES&advoption=YES&lines=1454&samples=2452&sizeSelector=resolution&Resolution=2048&R=5&G=3&B=1&projection=SINU&grid=none&stretch=minmax&resamp_method=bilinear_interpolation&north=-31.90&west=52.99&east=54.40&south=-32.61¢er=53.695&defaultcenter=on¢er_lat=0

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10/25/2012 11:37 AM

From a total quality management point of view, this is a step in the right direction. It seems here on Earth we are just spinning our wheels and getting nowhere. We could use some outside information to what we currently know now to set us off onto a different direction in doing things.

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10/26/2012 6:21 AM

What - with mermaids?

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Close, but as Mr Clinton might say, 'no cigar'.

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10/26/2012 9:17 PM

We could probably save a lot of money by searching for intelligence on earth.

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"The Truth is out there."

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Has anyone found any yet?

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10/29/2012 11:08 AM

YES! Look at my link to USGS Clementine images. If you aren't seeing geology in those images, then what is it you are seeing?

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Re: The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence

10/29/2012 1:58 PM

I admired Carl Sagan so I joined the Planetary Society when they formed it, without realising that the thrust was SETI. When I found out, I immediately resigned, because it is such a waste, and dangerous too. I have no idea, no, that is wrong, I have many ideas on the response of the peoples of earth. I see the arms makers trying to scare the ....out of us so they could take massive amounts of our treasure for "Star Wars and then some, weapons" weapons that would fail to work. I see religious and political leaders trying to scare people so they would look to them for leadership and be easy to exploit. I see... you get my drift. All in the context that we could not communicate for lack of a language, and if we did have a common language, the minimum time between, "Hello unknown planet, we are called Earth." and "Hello right back, Earth" would be five years and probably much much more.

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Re: The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence

10/29/2012 2:13 PM

Well, go have a look at the moon and tell me the're "unknown" or that they at least don't know us! USGS map-a-planet moon UVVIS.

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