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Engineering and the Law

Posted April 24, 2013 12:00 PM by SavvyExacta
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An article titled "Should scientists be held accountable if their predictions are wrong?" recently caught my eye. We rely on engineers to design buildings and scientists to produce safe medication.

I'm going to pause here for a minute and say I'm not taking a stance on being for or against lawsuits of this nature - just sharing some information that I found while researching the topic of legal services.

In 2012, the Corps of Engineers was found not liable for Katrina damage caused by levy failure (CNN). This was a reversal of a previous decision.

Still, some of those that followed the Katrina lawsuits were wary of helping Sandy victims (CRAIN'S New York Business). Architects and engineers were hesitant to assess storm-damaged properties because they were afraid of the possibility of litigation. They aren't protected under Good Samaritan laws (like doctors who aren't usually attacked if someone dies under their care in an emergency situation).

It doesn't stop there - we rely on developers to create safe, secure software. Remember that loooooong list of jargon you scan over in a hurry to click the 'Accept' button and install your software? According to TechRepublic, by clicking that button you might be signing away your right to sue the developer.

It's good for engineers to know what they could be liable for and how to protect themselves and their businesses.

Types of Law

Two types of law are commonly seen in the engineering world: corporate law and intellectual property law. A third type, criminal law, is one that most of us don't wish to encounter! (Admiralty/maritime law, environmental law, and health care law might also come into play in some engineering settings.)

Corporate Law

The work of a corporate lawyer is related to the formation, operation, and dissolution of corporations. A corporate lawyer is responsible for helping to protect industry and commerce. Areas related to corporate law include:

  • Articles of incorporation
  • Contracts
  • Taxes
  • Securities and antitrust
  • Licensing
  • Zoning
  • Intellectual property
  • Labor, employment, and immigration
  • Bankruptcy

Intellectual Property Law

Intangible assets such as discoveries, inventions, words, phrases, symbols, designs, and literary, musical, and artistic works can be protected by obtaining exclusive rights. Intellectual property lawyers acquire and enforce such protection. Intellectual property can be protected with patents, trademarks, and copyrights.

  • A patent gives exclusive rights to an inventor or assignee for a limited time period after details about the object are publicly filed. The term "patent pending" warns potential infringers that an application is in process. In the United States patents are issued by the Patent and Trademark Office (PTO), an agency of the U.S. Department of Commerce, which issued its 8,000,000th patent in 2011.
  • A trademark is a brand name and may consist of a word, name, symbol, or device used to distinguish an organization's products or services. It is indicated by the use of one of three symbols: TM or ®.
  • Copyright gives a creator the exclusive right to limit others from copying the work for a limited period of time. A copyright t is a personal property that can be willingly passed, bought, or sold by the owner. The copyright notice may be indicated by a symbol ©, the word "Copyright" or the abbreviation "Copr."

Criminal Law

A criminal lawyer defends or prosecutes those who have committed crimes. There are serious potential consequences for a person accused of committing a crime.

Read more about legal services on IHS GlobalSpec.

References:

Santa Clara University - Who Should Pay? The Product Liability Debate

TechRepublic - Should developers be sued for security holes?

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04/24/2013 1:02 PM

You can't hold somebody responsible for being wrong in an area that is a best guess type of scenario.......only if they intentionally mislead for some sort of gain would this then become a target for litigation and a possible fraud....imo

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04/24/2013 4:46 PM

Yes, you can hold someone responsible - if a lawyer or district attorney can convince a judge or jury.

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04/24/2013 6:51 PM

That's why we have disclaimers.....

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04/24/2013 8:27 PM

1.22 million bored, licensed, and active attorneys in the US need something to do!

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04/24/2013 10:41 PM

Well we've got Alligators to the left of us and sharks to the right, with lawyers in every nook and cranny in between.... Ya gotta love it...LOL

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05/21/2013 6:43 PM

Have you ever seen the disclaimers on a set of screwdrivers, ladder, extension cord?

While they make good reading, they are probably worthless in the hands of a good trial attorney.

Do you know why there are brakes on rotary lawnmowers? Some alcohol propelled genius decided his Lawnboy would make a good hedge trimmer. He removed the handle, pulled the cord and picked it up by the frame.............

We are still paying for that.

At least a decade ago, I read an article that claimed attorneys fees cost the average American $2000.00 per year in increased costs. That figure did not include the medical malpractice suits

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04/24/2013 10:46 PM

Why not!! THe police are, the doctors are, even the lawyers are accountable, so why not, while we are at it, lets include the garbage collectors, the post man and the pool man... in fact lets make everyone accountable.... except the politicians!

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04/25/2013 6:48 AM

Did you just arrive here from the distant past? :)

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04/25/2013 10:19 AM

Sometimes it feels like I did... and I can't find my Delorean to get back! :)

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04/25/2013 11:10 AM

'....even the lawyers are accountable...'

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When? I missed it.

How often does any lawyer defend themselves in court against accusations of malpractice?

Just a guess here, but I suspect there are a lot more lawyers intentionally doing things to harm people than doctors, yet lawyers rarely face malpractice litigation.

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04/27/2013 4:07 AM

You forgot the bankers...

They scew up, we bail 'em out, slap their wrists and reduce thier bonus to 6 figure sum.

I just can't figure out why we are dumb enough to let 'em get away with it... maybe it's cos they have our money.


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04/25/2013 10:04 AM

Lawyers and accountants are not liable for predictions, they can't be sued for negligence. but engineers can.

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04/25/2013 12:03 PM

A lawyer can't be negligent?

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Lawyers can be negligent, but you can't sue them for it!

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04/25/2013 5:35 PM

Is your statement made in reference just to lawyers in the UK (barristers?), lawyers in the US (inflamed cloacas.), or lawyers anywhere (repugnant)?

I don't think there is a actual restriction on suing inflamed cloacas (you would prob say 'barrister') here in the US.

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04/25/2013 7:29 PM

I speak of lawyers in the UK in particular - barristers, solicitors etc. (you can include accountants, bankers, brokers, architects, surveyors and such). But I guess the negligence aspect applies worldwide.

Obviously you can sue anybody for anything - especially if you have pots of money. Whether you win or not is another matter. And in a case of 'negligence' you will almost certainly lose.

It might help if I said 'negligence' should be likened to a 'mistake', and 'not being able to sue lawyers for negligence' is twisted to 'not being able to win a case for negligence'.


What you have to do if you want to win is prove a case of 'gross negligence'. And here this means much more that a 'mistake'. The lawyers (amongst themselves) have set the base line for 'gross' as 'wilful' - which effectively means 'deliberate'.
Thus a 'mistake' made by a lawyer is simply 'negligent' and being 'accidental' is proof that it is not 'deliberate' and therefore not 'gross'.


That is why you never see lawyers in court sued for negligence. What in fact happens, in a genuine case of negligence, it is settled out of court. Or sometimes by their professional bodies if there really has been gross negligence.
As with my lawyer who made a 'mistake' and ended up in prison. Which interestingly was a sentence much more severe than an engineer might have suffered for the same 'mistake'.

Engineers however, can be sued for 'negligence' based on simple 'mistakes'.
Assuming they are engineering mistakes, then a case will be brought based on engineering criteria, and for that to be proved you need engineers to give evidence.


Perhaps the emphasis on this post should shift to the ethics of engineers suing engineers for negligence.

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A competent engineer should be able to assign risk to their predictions, thus transferring the risk to the client/customer.

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Being an engineer means getting into trouble when your predictions are wrong. It also means getting into trouble when your predictions are right.

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04/26/2013 10:18 PM

1) Lawyers are in business to make money and make a name for themselves.

2) Good lawyers make a lot of money and a big name for themselves.

3) Mediocre lawyers become judges.

4) Crappy lawyers become politicians.

While they all thrive on power and fear, the good ones earn their money, and the crappy ones steal it.

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04/29/2013 9:16 AM

I was upset when I found that lawyers, at least in Pennsylvania, do not have seals, do not have to seal their product like engineers, architects, surveyors etc.

Of course, the laws were written by lawyers, I wonder if that has significance or if am I being unduly cynical?

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"Of course, the laws were written by lawyers, I wonder if that has significance or if am I being unduly cynical?"

Any questions why tort reform is impossible to pass?

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