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Del's Lathe Refurb'

Posted May 31, 2013 3:21 AM by user-deleted-1105

The beauty of this little EW lathe is that the two headstock bearings are individually clamped to the bed. It's also a handy size, having a 19.5" bed.
I'd bought a tiny one of E-bay a while back, but it was too small. However it taught me a bit about lathes and I sold it for a small profit which went towards the re-furb' of this one.

This allowed me to send off the spindle and front bearing for reconditioning. (Before and after shot below).


The housing was bored out 0.01" oversize. The spindle turned down to remove the galling and then built up by a metal spraying process and ground to fit.

The company went out their way to help me out as a private individual, doing it at a very reasonable £110 (the lathe only cost £86!).

The spindle felt a whisker firm in the bearing, the pinch screw was barely even nipped up, but when completely loosened it spun freely.

I then met a few minor problems. They had built up too much length on the spindle and I couldn't get the V pulley block all the way along the shaft.
It took a while for the fix to spring to mind, but again it shows the versatility of having moveable bearing blocks.
I mounted the spindle in it's bearing block pointing the other way and further along the bed! This allowed me to turn it by hand, I put the chuck on and rotated this by hand whilst bringing up the tool to slowly turn off the excess.

The next problem was when it was all built up with both bearings.

There was a slight tight spot, I fiddled around slackening of the clamps , gently tapping it with a wooden mallet to see if it would settle or align itself. I applied plenty of oil and rotated it using a length of rubber strapping diablo fashion, but no the tight spot wouldn't go.

With some trepidation I dug out my old tin of valve grinding compound and applied a little of the fine paste to the front bearing with plenty of oil. It was soon lapped in nicely.

I dismantled it and spent plenty of time cleaning it all out with detergent and hot water followed by white spirit. I reassembled, oiled it and it spun beautifully, a good flick of the chuck and it would run on for a couple of seconds. I took it down and cleaned it again for good measure and the re-built.

The back gear arrangement had me foxed for ages until the penny dropped. I was confusing it with the train of change wheels used to drive the leadscrew for thread turning etc.
I couldn't figure out what it was for... it was impossible to have 4 gears all locked to their shaft and yet still rotate!Then I read on one of the engineering forums and I finally got it.
The grubscrew (drive peg) which fixes the V pulley block to the spindle is slackened off and the little lay shaft with its two cogs is lowered to mesh. The drive then goes from the belt to the V pulley, to the cog which is keyed into it's left face, up to the little lay shaft (stepping down) then back to the big cog which is locked to the spindle (again stepping down) to drive the spindle and chuck.
I expect you all knew that and are sniggering by now.
It will give V low speeds which will be handy if I manage to fine change-wheels etc to finish the re-furb.
I expect you've noticed the missing teeth on the cogs, that's all for another day.


For now I have a working lathe... woo hoo

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05/31/2013 3:37 AM

How do you work around the teethless gears?

I asssume you skip those!

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05/31/2013 4:19 AM

Yeah...
I don't need the speed reduction at the moment, but I'm watching the auction sites for gears that might fit.
I also have the option of buying new or making a jig to allow me to manufacture new gears.
It's really just a big boys cat's toy.
No hurry to bring it up to full spec'.
There is a superb full spec' specimen just come up on Ebay... I'll watch it to see how much it fetches, just out of interest.
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06/03/2013 7:32 AM

An easy solution is to buy a VFD for the motor, then you can dial in the desired speed via the VFD and have infinite variable speed.

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06/03/2013 7:50 AM

Easy? You theenk I want your steenking easy? You theenk I wanna pay my hard earned money for some fancy modern expensive cr4p?
By 'eck lad it's gears or now't for me.
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06/03/2013 7:53 AM

Well, then just use your sonic screwdriver. :)

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06/04/2013 3:43 AM

Of course. There's even one in the KrisDel™ catalogue.

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06/04/2013 4:39 AM

.....A lot safer than looking in the Time Machine

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06/04/2013 4:54 AM

yeah an' where's my starsies eh? If I have to ask... well I don't know.
Flounces off hands on hips.
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06/04/2013 1:25 PM

Wot, like them 'good thread' ones ?

Somebody pimp this thread - I want to know if I can negate such votes. The shameless cat must be kept in check. Only coz I likes you and don't want too many folks finding your stuff

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06/03/2013 4:45 PM

Well doing our new house project my Smithy 1340I went over to my brothers garage where he managed to fry the 2 HP DC motor and controller the first week he had it.

After that we redesigned the drive to fit a 2 HP 3 phase motor on it and converted the speed control over to VFD.

I can tell you now that once you go VFD you will never want to use any other drive system again!

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05/31/2013 4:41 AM

That back-gear will come in handy one day, so it's worth restoring. Back-gears are handy for putting material back on when too much has come off...

Nice work. Thanks for sharing!

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05/31/2013 5:18 AM

That'll be useful for turning down oversize holes then.
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05/31/2013 5:26 AM

Do fix it. KrisDel™ could open up a new market doing it...

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06/01/2013 7:49 AM

There could be a market for holes and empty spaces.

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05/31/2013 6:21 AM

Thanks for sharing, Del. Your posts are always great!

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05/31/2013 12:21 PM

You might get lucky on just repairing those gears by welding them up turning them again and hand filing the teeth back on.

I have done several odd and old gears that way and had good results.

If they are cast iron and the loads are not too high, which is likely being they are lower speed open types, you may get by with simply building them back up with brazing and cutting the new teeth out of the brass.

I have seen a few really old open gear type drives on antique farm machines rebuilt that way at shows.

BTW the gooey sticky oil used for chainsaw chains works really well on low speed open gears!

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05/31/2013 1:34 PM

My welding skills are best described as rudimentary, but I could maybe cut out a section and braze in a wedge of steel then cut the teeth. Problem is there are several sections with missing teeth so it would be a bit of a pain, mind I could do all the brazing in one hit maybe.... hmmm.
Don't have a decent torch or brazing rod, but other than that...
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05/31/2013 3:22 PM

Sounds like a good reason to expand on your tools and skills.

Basic brazing is pretty much like soldering except bigger and hotter.

Preheat, flux, fill it in, machine it down, and reshape the teeth.

Toss in a few practice runs on some scrap first and you are good to go.

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06/01/2013 7:24 AM

It's coming along nicely. Having a new gear hobbed isn't that expensive but you can also insert a small piece of metal in the area of missing teeth, then cut the tooth shape more easily by removing the insert and forming the missing teeth. This may help by not deforming the gear with the heat of welding, and not "hardening " the existing metal making the forming of the teeth much more difficult. You can also clamp the insert to the side of the gear aligned with the existing good teeth and use them as a form for shaping the new teeth and help keep the shape and pitch accurate. Then bolt or silver solder the insert into place. Do you have a good method for setting the bed to spindle squareness, parallelism and straightness? What type of cutting tools will you be using?

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06/01/2013 8:07 AM

Do you have a good method for setting the bed to spindle squareness, parallelism and straightness?

I'm just putting it back together as was, but at some point I'll be getting a dial gauge and maybe trying to tune it up.
There were plenty of tools with it, I've been sharpening up a big chunky one and trying it out on Ali' and steel at various speeds etc.

Also found the other set of chuck jaws and fitted those for a bigger diameter bit of Ali'


I'm a bit new to this game so I've got plenty of learning and catch up to do.

When I ordered new drive belts I didn't notice the motor to layshaft was a wider belt that the layshaft to lathe belt.

I ordered a new one... turned up this morning... a 27" belt..
Guess how long it is?...
28- 3/4"

Meantime I'm running with an old belt cut down and linked with a wire staple, mind it's a bit clunky over the 1-3/4" motor pulley.

Just fitted a 150W Halogen flood light over the lathe, and I'm mounting an isolator switch on the front of the bench.
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06/01/2013 12:46 PM

If the the ways are off, (frame being warped, twisted or cracked) there isn't much you can do about that. Otherwise, squaring is done by adjusting the tapered jibs on the carriage, if they have them.

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Dell

I wonder how much it would cost to have plastic gears 3d printed if they are not put under a lot of strain then they should work well. If you could draw them in solidworks then you could send the file off.

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06/01/2013 12:57 PM

That would be asking a lot.

When I took a few night classes at the local tech school in machine shop when I was 18 yo, they had just purchased a new 14 x 42 lathe.

It was Swiss made, can't recall the make, but it had neoprene teeth on the gears, I was one of the first ones to use it, and when the instructor was showing me how to change the gears, he did not quite seat the gear. He pulled the clutch and the sound was something like this,...... Zzziiiiiiipp.

He stripped the teeth.

When we did put in another gear, (correctly this time) I have to say, it was very quiet.

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06/01/2013 1:23 PM

For the change wheel train I'm looking at maybe a set of plastic gears from one of those Chinese lathes, as long as the whole train uses the same gears it should be ok. I just need to check there is enough meat to make the bores the right size.
I'm watching a few sets of gears on Ebay at the mo'.

The back gear speed reduction gears need to be compatible with the two good ones.
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06/02/2013 9:03 PM

Don't you have a cover over those gears, looks kind of dangerous.

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06/03/2013 3:41 AM

Those gears arean't normally rotating.
I've just bought 7 myford change gears for about £35, I'll have to build the bracket to fit 'em on, but compatible parts are easy to get.
I'll prob make a cover when I've got it all up and running.
Don't watch to catch my long hair in 'em.
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06/03/2013 6:22 AM

It's just amazing that one could actually consider making a KrisDel time machine on such a thing...

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06/03/2013 10:30 PM

That doesn't look like a kitchen or living room. I'm guessing Mrs. Cat won that contest.

Very nice work, can't wait to see arrows, slings or whatnots that you have created

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06/04/2013 2:03 AM

Here's my latest, (non lathe assisted) bow.

It's a bit experimental. Originally it was made in a day at a show from a twisted stave of Hazel, I then recurved the tips and added a wacky paint job.
Hope to give it a good work out at the weekend, see how she shoots.

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Looks like you're ready for your cameo on Game of Thrones.

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06/04/2013 3:42 PM

Loving the shirt!

My wife would make me wear it everyday until I hated it if I had one though.

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06/04/2013 5:19 PM

If you look closely, you'll see that Del's wife has hammered croquet hoops over his feet. He's been in that exact position since the last picture he posted.

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06/04/2013 6:06 PM

Are you sure he is not really just a very lifelike poseable mannequin?

I have thought about replacing my wife with one. Both would move about the same amount some days but one would complain far less!

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Yeah, but you'd want a girlequin shirley?
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The wacky paint job....you did a matching shirt?

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I hope it did not take you this long to decide the shirt was....questionable?

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Nah - I just arrived late to the party and all the compliments had been handed out...

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06/04/2013 4:56 AM

I am still waiting to see your trebuchet!

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06/13/2013 2:11 PM

Del,

About the brazing of those gears: I once used some thick wire coat hangers to weld up a tail pipe for an old 77 mustang. The welds outlasted the car. It was finally crushed in '05. (heavy sigh) I did have an acetylene rig to do the job though. You may well be able to just build up the area and cut the teeth then heat treat and anneal as necessary.

It should work and be easy. On paper. And we all know from dealing with upper management that means it will happen just as it is on paper.

I own Two similar little mini lathes one in working order one is just bed and head. Looking forward to messing with them.

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06/13/2013 2:49 PM

Cheers, I've got hooked on tinkering with the lathe.
I even went skip diving round the factories where I work, I found a gear manufacturer, and got some nice end of bar off cuts from the skip about 45mm dia x 100mm long, just the job for messing about with.
I just love making that curly swarf
I don't have oxy acetylene.. just got a rough old cheapo arc welder. My brother gave it to me years ago, I was chatting to him on the phone a while back... he said

'Yeah, I haven't used that welder much since I gave it to you'

Love to see pics of your lathes.
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