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Hyperloop: Hypothetical Pipe Dream, Or the Most Important Invention Since the Car?

Posted August 13, 2013 2:33 PM

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Late yesterday, Elon Musk finally unveiled the Hyperloop: A partially evacuated tube, where pods floating on air bearings and accelerated by linear motors will travel between San Francisco and Los Angeles in under 30 minutes, at around 760 mph - just under the speed of sound. While this sounds exciting, it's important to bear in mind that the Hyperloop - if this hypothetical mode of transport is ever built - serves a very niche need and will probably have almost zero effect on 99% of the world's population. The Hyperloop is, in essence, an air hockey table with pucks (pods) that are accelerated inside a tube using a technique that's similar to railguns. To reduce air resistance (drag), the air pressure inside the loop is reduced to "1/6 that of the pressure of the atmosphere on Mars," or just 0.1% of Earth's atmosphere, using vacuum pumps. This reduces the drag by 1,000 times, which suddenly makes near-speed-of-sound travel viable. While vacuum pumps are used, and the air is very thin inside the Hyperloop, it's important to note that this isn't really a vacuum tube. The pressure in the tube will be 100 Pa (0.75 torr), while a high vacuum usually has an air pressure of 0.1 Pa or less, and one of the best-known vacuums - outer space - has an air pressure of around 0.0000000001 Pa. It is difficult enough to create a high vacuum in a single room, and it would be prohibitively difficult (and expensive) to produce a 700-mile-long vacuum tube.

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08/13/2013 10:48 PM

What a crock of ......

I hope that a reporter botched these numbers and facts. The distance between San Francisco and Los Angeles is 381.4 miles. To achieve this distance in precisely a half hour requires an average velocity of 762.8 mph. To achieve this distance in less than a half hour requires a higher average velocity than 760 mph. Now depending on how aggressively one accelerates and decelerates a modest peak velocity above the average velocity must be achieved. Since the speed of sound at 77°F is about 2% greater than 760 mph the acceleration and deceleration time must then be about 1% of the total time, about 18 seconds. So the acceleration must be at least 2G for those 18 seconds to remain under the speed of sound and to take precisely a half hour of transit time. Everything inside this pod had better be strapped in place.

What about the vacuum this pod is traveling in. Isn't the speed of sound faster in a partial vacuum. Yes, yes it is. But how does a pod float on an air bearing in a partial vacuum? Where does the pod get the air? More to the impracticality of the approach what elevation changes will happen during this 380+ mile journey. This pod must fly (float) in this tube without loosing too much energy to the tube walls or friction will rob energy.

This is a real pipe dream. What did they put in that pipe?

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08/14/2013 2:26 AM

How about a pipothetical hype dream?

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08/14/2013 9:02 AM

I don't mind moving 500 mph in a jet with miles of empty air around me, but I think I'll pass on travelling 700 mph inside of an evacuated tube.

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08/14/2013 9:04 AM

Just be careful of those sandmen. Or Mr. Freeze!

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08/14/2013 11:00 AM

Excessive amounts of personal wealth must make people delusional.

Look at the bright side. When the travel thing doesn't work out, they can turn it into the worlds longest linear accelerator.

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