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I Honestly Swear

Posted January 21, 2017 12:00 AM by M-ReeD
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As a lover of all words (well, almost all words; see: moist), I have always had an appreciation for people who could string expletives together in unexpected ways. I’ve felt that the user made a stronger, passionate, more emphatic point with the use of a few colorful expletives.

And it seems that I am not alone in that thinking, as evidenced by a recent study published in the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science that found people who use profanity were less dishonest than their non-swearing counterparts.

At first blush, it would seem that a natural relationship exists between lying and the use of profanity with both being linked to “low moral standards.” Not so, according to researchers from the Netherlands, the UK, the US, and Hong Kong who measured views on profanity with a series of questions and interactions with social media users.

Nearly 300 participants were asked to list their favorite or most often used swear word(s) along with a reason for its status in the participant’s vocabulary.

The takeaway from this part of the survey: Researchers believed that those participants with longer lists of “favorite” or “often used” obscenities were less likely to lie; concluding that if the participant didn’t filter their answers concerning their profanity usage, it was unlikely that they would filter their views and opinions on other matters.

A second branch of the survey involved culling the usage and frequency of obscenities in the status updates of close to 75,000 Facebook users. According to a similar study, one measure of dishonesty in language is the overuse of third-person pronouns. For instance, a person telling a lie will limit or avoid referring to themselves. Consequently, language patterns related to honesty will include more personal pronouns (i.e., phrases that begin with “I” and “me”). The Facebook users with more profanity in their online communications also used more personal pronouns.

Another interesting discovery from the study found that where you live in the country might also influence your use of profanity. It was discovered that people living in northeastern states (such as Connecticut, Delaware, New Jersey, and New York) were more likely to use profanity while people from southern states (such as South Carolina, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Mississippi) were less likely to use profanity.

So, considering the results of this study, people who have ever felt badly about their use of profanity can now console themselves with the knowledge that although they might have a potty mouth, at least it is an honest one.

Do you think people who use profanity are less likely to lie? Do you live in a part of the country that frequently uses profanity?

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01/21/2017 11:37 PM

Having left Arkansas at 18, and still being in contact with many there, and in Texas, I can say that their lack of profanity and their affirmation of prayers for this and that and "prayers going up" for this casual acquaintance who has a bent eyelash or a lost dog have always seemed a little..................too sticky sweet and devoid of actual sincerity for me.

I have failed in my ability to control my tongue in many ways.

And, I don't give a damn who knows.

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01/22/2017 1:39 AM

"... and in Texas, I can say that their lack of profanity and their affirmation of prayers for this and that and "prayers going up" for this casual acquaintance who has a bent eyelash or a lost dog have always seemed a little..................too sticky sweet and devoid of actual sincerity for me."

Here in Texas I see a lot of that, but I'd have to say that their sincerity varies widely from individual to individual.

Some I know are absolutely sincere and are people whom I'd trust with my life. Others I've known ask about your prayer needs as a means of digging for dirt so they can keep the gossip mill fed to capacity.

Even worse was the clinical sociopath I happened to marry. Oh so pious. A regular Model Citizen and Pillar of the Church. One of her favourite tactics is to offer to pray for someone as a means of gaining their trust and her foot in the door. Then, once she reckons they're ripe for the pickin', she manipulates them to her own ends. Everyone's game - including her kids. It's sickening and one big reason why she's an ex and why her kids (now grown) won't have anything to do with her. The Christian thing is just a ruse and proof that going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.

All the same, there are some good people out there who'd give you the shirt off their backs. Can't lump 'em all together and say they're all like the bad apples. They're not. It's that some give the rest a bad name.

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01/22/2017 3:21 AM

Yes, I grow more cynical with each passing day.

Sorry about your wife.

My ex wife was a neat freak and I was am a slob. But, we made good kids who turned out OK. Both have degrees and good jobs.

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01/22/2017 2:49 PM

It's is interesting, in Texas, when they say, "Bless her/his little heart.". It's a very polite put down.

but that's my opinion.

Now for me personally, I assimilate the environment I'm in. When I worked at the shipyard. After a year, I was talking to my dad. And my dad said, seemingly out of the blue, "Son, is it really neccasary to swear like that." Didn't even know I was doing it. I changed immediately.

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01/22/2017 3:36 PM

Oh yes, Texas has lots of 'Texasisms' like that, some quite amusing. For example, you may sometimes hear the Civil War referred to as the War of Northern Aggression.

'Bless his/her/your little heart' not limited to Texas, btw. You hear that expression pretty much across the entire South. When 'little' is omitted, it can be an expression of bemused-albeit-genuine sympathy. Lots of nuances to that one, including (and perhaps especially) the intonation used when saying it. The same expression might mean anything from 'Aww, what a cute little tyke' to 'You hopeless f.....g moron!', depending on how it's said and possibly who is saying it and what is known of their relationship to the recipient.

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01/22/2017 4:40 PM

This is not exclusive to Texas. Arkansas, Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama and other southern states also sugar coat many expressions.

And pray? Hell, they'll pray at the drop of a hat. Have a lost hound, they'll pray for ole blue's speedy reunessniting with the owner. Good coon dogs don't come along every day, you know.

Church? They thrive at church, where they can display their piousness and religious fervor. Someone once said those southerners go out on Saturday night and sow their wild oats, then go to church on Sunday and pray for crop failure.

I'm one so I can poke fun at the rest of them.

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01/22/2017 5:18 PM

I'm not one and I still poke fun at them.

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01/22/2017 5:41 PM

Reminds me when I played in the Church league in softball... when we played the baptist.

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01/23/2017 8:07 PM

I'm one so I can poke fun at the rest of them.

Bless your heart!

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01/24/2017 9:05 AM

This message comes my blessings to you all and curses to all the fouls of the air that burdens you.

They ain't got it. God resides in His temple the body of a human not through man made structures.

Being in the darkness you know there is light, so as the light knows what is in the dark.

What ever you are bound or tied into, you know, you are tricked. So don't believe it, For the words of your mouth is freedom. The tongue can bring curses and could also justify you, wherever you are. There is a mighty and strong deliverer who holds the door that can not be shut and no man can ever open. The lawgiver who can destroy and who can save. He is the truth. He is His words. If you search Him with all your heart, you would find Him. And, He is sure looking for all of you who are lost calling all in His blessing and dwelling.

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01/24/2017 8:26 PM

He wouldn't have to look so hard, if you quit sneaking around as an anonymous poster.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiYUzYozsAQ

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01/23/2017 4:34 PM

Lyn: You are not the only one who should be renamed Falmouth. LOL!

My wife used to work in mental health field (maybe that is why she chose me for a retirement project). She tells me that swearing is usually the last bastion of those losing their poor little minds. Swear words seem to emanate from the limbic region of the brain.

The primary structures within the limbic system include the amygdala, hippocampus, thalamus, hypothalamus, basal ganglia, and cingulate gyrus. The amygdala is the emotion center of the brain, while the hippocampus plays an essential role in the formation of new memories about past experiences.

The Limbic System - Boundless

https://www.boundless.com/psychology/...of.../the-limbic-system-154-12689/ The above was gleaned from Wikipedia topic. This is essentially our "crocodilian" zone of thought process.

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"Crocodile Curses!"

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01/22/2017 7:47 AM

I guess it's true if being honest is saying the first thing that comes into your head without thinking what the consequences of your words might be. But maybe a little dishonesty reduces the amount of conflict in the world.

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01/22/2017 10:21 AM

"saying the first thing that comes into your head without thinking what the consequences of your words might be"and phrasing it in 140 words or less sounds exactly like the newly elected president.

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01/22/2017 11:28 AM

Let's see him keep this promise to the 61 million people who voted for him.

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01/22/2017 11:44 AM

Fat chance.

The new regime only recognizes those with a personal wealth of $100 million+.

The rest are just in the way of the plundering of the country.

Damn, I hate the bastards!

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01/25/2017 8:47 AM

And precisely how many of your posts are 140 words or less? I need a count on those by next Tuesday.

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01/22/2017 5:21 PM

Ah, well placed and used profanity. Now you're talkin my GD MFing language.

Personally the having to be verbally polite is one of my less enjoyable aspects of forum participation.

Having to submit to saying someones ignorant when they post something truly stupid is harder for me that I care to admit to.

Especially so when I and everyone who read what some idiot posts knows that calling them a GD MFing dumbass that's stupider than dried out sh!t is in fact the politest definition and description to convey what everyone is thinking.

Honestly , I hate having to use fake social skills and politeness when everything shows that just the opposite is what's warranted. It makes me feel a little dirty inside every time.

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01/23/2017 9:58 AM

Two things:

  1. Being in church on Sunday doesn't make you "Christian" the rest of the week.
  2. This entire discussion sounds more about "Political Correctness" and the general disdain engineers (in particular) and scientists (in general) have for specifics.

Christianity isn't about "going to church or supporting this/that cause", it is about caring for your "neighbors" highest good all the time even if it inconveniences or costs you something.

PC is about sounding polite regardless of your feelings, which is the general realm of politicians, English teachers and lawyers.

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01/23/2017 10:08 AM

Being in church on Sunday doesn't make you "Christian" the rest of the week. ...

Christianity isn't about "going to church or supporting this/that cause", ...

That is what a lot of people miss. Its not about the organization of religion. They miss the point all to gather.

And I feel I fall under the 'disdain' part.

Back to topic,.. I do like the science of why do people swear part.

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It's not just a problem with the church goer sect though. I see it in most every profession and aspect of life on a near daily basis.

How many people have you met, know or have dealt with in any given area that mistakenly equate having participated in X to mean they are more qualified in Y than someone/anyone else despite everything they say and do clearly shows their reasoning to be outrightly unjustifiably wrong?

How often do we see people online alone that equate that they or so and so is only qualified to know and do a certain things because they went to such and such school or worked in such and such profession for a given number of years even though most everything they say do and stand for clearly shows that despite their acclaimed credentials they are still in fact very very far from being knowledgeable, skilled or of any degree of creditable reference to the very thing they pride themself on and claim makes them an authority.

Personally I deal with that crap nearly every day on numerous forums regarding certain people who feel that because they went to XYZ classes (but obviously never learned anything) plus worked for XX number of years in a certain profession (yet never once questioned how what they dealt with every day worked was designed or constructed and why) they are authorities on certain things yet nearly every single thing they claim to know can be and is often repeatedly shown to be either incorrect, based on common misconceptions and false assumptions or is just outright wrong by others who have more in depth scientific, technical, engineering, or simply more diverse service industry based backgrounds relating to the actual hows and whys of what they work with ws really designed and built.

Indoctrinated Vs educated. Knowledgeable and of in depth understanding Vs having put in time without ever thinking. They are not the same.

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01/23/2017 1:53 PM

It's not just a problem with the church goer sect though. I see it in most every profession and aspect of life on a near daily basis.

Actually one should not separate the organizations of religion from other businesses. Their attitude is no difference than say Sex Shops/Trafficking.

They are both a business and I see no differences except the wares they sell.

Now believing in a higher authority, that's different.

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01/23/2017 3:51 PM

Except churches pay no taxes.

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01/23/2017 12:18 PM

'Dog poop on a crooked stick!' Show me these engineers and scientists that distain specifics.

Round these parts you can't chase engineers away from wanting more specifics with a stubby broom and a bucket of diarrhea.

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01/23/2017 12:54 PM

That's for damn sure!

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01/25/2017 3:15 PM

How dry? I always thought stepping in wet was the more stupid, but you got me on that one!

Actually, stepping in, slipping, and falling face down in wet shit is probably the worst of all. But that is not nearly as dirty as some of the billiards played in these forums and in Washington up to now.

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01/23/2017 2:40 AM

I want to be clear from the outset. This is not a comment on religion. I understand the prohibition of comments of that nature here on CR4. This comment is not about religion at all. This comment is only about that which is specifically not religion, and as such should be permissible.

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Perhaps the honest swearing group is largely comprised of athiests and other nonbelievers. Lacking or having rejected significant regular type of instruction that typically discourages swearing and that provides extensive familiarity with claiming belief in things that should give one serious pause, nonbelievers would naturally be more comfortable swearing and less comfortable telling lies.

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01/23/2017 7:49 AM

At one time (recently) it was believed that people who swore, were of lower intellegence and self esteem. And probably based it on an inability to articulate a conversation.

Recently, as in last week, my girlfriend she's a science and documentary enthusiast that when she reads something interesting, she feels she needs to share it with me.

She read a scientific ? study that this is not true, that people who swore had an higher intelligence as well as the use of verbal communication than the norm.

When she told me, I responded, 'That's nice'. Now I need to question her where she got this information.

i myself, always thought/felt being reserve spoke louder the vulgarity.

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01/23/2017 12:11 PM

I agree that being reserved can leave a stronger impression than holding nothing back. What hasn't been said can be far more formidable than something specific parsed out in the heat of the moment.

Speaking in a normal tone during an otherwise heated confrontation can have a similar effect.

It does depend on the person and situation of course. If someone who has not been seen to raise their voice nor swear, suddenly does both, it will jolt people who have respect for that person.

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Here is where I can understand swearing and honesty to have some correlation:

If a person is reigning in the language that comes first to mind because of a desire to appease the audience, there might be a significant fraction of those people who would be inclined to alter other parts of their communication to appease the audience they picture.

I suspect people who aren't witholding/editing what naturaly comes to mind (because cursing is not a common part of their regular speech) are unlikely to have the same propensity for dishonesty as those that are continually monitoring their natural comments to suit the audience they assume.

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01/23/2017 4:38 PM

"So, considering the results of this study, people who have ever felt badly about their use of profanity can now console themselves with the knowledge that although they might have a potty mouth, at least it is an honest one."

Now the subset of non-swearing sociopaths reading this study have another clue how to tweak their con to make it more convincing. "Swear more and use more personal pronouns in my conversations: check."

I was married to one for 23 years. This is how they operate.

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At the shipyard, there was a rather cute little fitter that had a potty mouth. She spoke her mind. She was an icon there. Dammned I can't recall her first name

at one time, the shipyard had a huge navy contract, and we were require to hold tight tolerance that included cleanliness. We had inspections by the navy quite regularly.

one time an admiral dressed in his uniform whites was touring the yard with his entourage of ensign trailing him.

well, he came across this women ship fitter and she was have trouble fitting.. and was cuzzing up storm.

The admiral stop and this is how the exchange went.

girl fitter: "@/-#%¥£€^*]?!][%&$@"

admiral: "Young lady, do you eat with that same mouth?"

girl fitter: "you god dam right I do, I also suck @%@# with it too."

after that Response, the admiral immediately stiffen up in Shock and begin to continue walking with his ensigns behind him snickering.

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01/23/2017 6:56 PM

Unabashed honesty can be downright endearing.

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Agreed! Question. "Did the admiral go back visiting after hours?"

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Uh, no. An admiral would realize the pipe fitter won't be there after hours. She doesn't live there. Why would she stick around after her shift?

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"Have her scrubbed and brought to my quarters".

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Now that sounds like the old Lyn. Welcome back!

May God have mercy upon us old men, and save us from putting all our change in the cussing jar.

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There was a ah,... rumor, well,... ah,... what happens between the bulkheads,... stays between the bulk head... but that was the rumor.

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Admiral should have said first: Young lady, is that the same mouth you kiss your mother with?

or "Were you born that way, or did uncle cousin daddy teach you that?"

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If you aver talked to a Graduate from the Naval Academy. They are quite articulate.

I do recall her name, so we'll just caller her ahhh,... lets call her Brenda.

I was in charge of the CNC shop, and we'd have people to stop in require immediate work or just ask about the machines.

Anyways, this girl Brenda was transfered to the pipe shop, she had stopped in a few days in a row, and asked about the machines. I took the time and answered her question. She was 5' nothing, 2-3 years youonger than myself, really quite spoken, almost shy. Relatively cute, but with some miles to her, (from working in the yard).

the floor employees at the shop started making kissing sounds, and when I returned, I asked what's that about? Their reply, what to you think of Brenda, my response was, seems to be a nice quite girl... a little on the shy side.

This was met with a rush of laughter... and then they informed me of her history. My jaw dropped. I met Brenda about 8 years later after I left the yard. She was interviewing as a welder at the company where I worked. Even though she was a Great welder and past the weld tests, the nephews of the owner of the company didn't like her. So they past on her.

The guy interviewer her, also had worked with her about 20 years prior at a competing ship yard when she worked there.

Evidently she had a similar reputation, but she was a honest person. Rough around the edges though.

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Can I use that story as an example is Harrassment training class I have upcoming?

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01/24/2017 10:20 AM

actually yes you can. speaking of harassment... There was another fellow who worked at the yard.

He was called into the office for calling a female a 'dumb C-word'.

His defense, he called everyone male or female a 'Dumb C-word'. Its true, I've heard him say to a fellow worker, "Hey your dumb C-Word, hand me that wrench." anyways, He got 3 days suspension.

Or how about this one, We used to get calendars from our venders with pretty girls on them. Well, we were ordered to take them down because people were offended. It's interesting, Brenda or anyone of her gender was never called into the office.

Yes, a shipyard is target rich for harassment, especially for the politically correct left.

btw, I have more if your interested...

btw,... I don't use last names, because Brenda is happily married to husband number ???,... well, I stopped counted at husband #5.

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No, do not swear at all. Let your yes be yes and no be no. For beyond this comes not from the Holy one but of the devil.

Peter did swear to Him that is God but 3 times he denied Him, but Peter was never forsaken. Moses killed a man, but the Lord build him up and wash his hands. David murdered the husband of the mother of Solomon and committed adultery but was never forsaken. Jonas run and turned to his call and obligation, but was never forsaken.

His blood pays all the evil we did in his eyes. Blessed are they who calls and seeks His mercy on His gates for He will never turn away.

"Let the wicked forsake his thoughts and turn to his wicked ways and live. For whoever calls the name of the Lord will be save"

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Reported.

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01/24/2017 3:07 PM

Why not start with yourself. Try providing a good example rather than attempting to lead by decree.

Notice: "...let your yes be yes and no be no...." Not someone else's yes and no. Not an anonymous yes and no. Your yes and your no.

It does not say "....produce a yes anonymously, let it linger authorless, unclaimed. Neglect no to the same degree..."

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Good answer. Shittan is the accuser of the brethren, and of those far away who have no association with the church. A Lion, roaring in the grass, whom may he devour? Whoever decrees there is no God is the fool, and does not see the Lion.

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John said, "He is the one who comes after me, the straps of sandals I am not worthy to untie."

I am not worth to be called His, nor any pastors and anyone on Earth, but believe me still owns me as His son.

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Slavery/ownership of a person is immoral. Using ownership as a model for human relationships, familial, social, romantic, or otherwise is probably maladaptive in most cases.

Love is not possessiveness. Possession is a mode some who do kot know love resort to and regularly misinterpret as love.

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I agree. Possessive and domineering spirits are foul spirits and not His for we all are given free will.

"Today I have given you the choice between life and death, between blessings and curses. Now I call on heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Oh, that you would choose life, so that you and your descendants might live!"

You and I are not forced to respond but we are called to respond to His invitation. Some opposed and never respond. It's their choice.

There is a wonderful meaning of Paul towards love. Love is patient. Love is kind. It does not envy. It is not boast. It does not dishonors others but rejoices with the truth. It is not self-seeking.

Jesus says if you love me, keep my commandments.

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Jesus says, "If you love me, feed my sheep." He does not command you to go feeding the stray sheep. You may seek them while the sun shines, but night is onward coming when man's work is done.

Jesus is the Good Shepherd. If he has 100 sheep, and one goes astray, will He not trail that errant sheep, all the while ignoring the 99 who have remained in the fold (with the dog)? Will Jesus not rejoice also with the shepherd dog when the lost sheep is found, but I do not expect sheep to know if they are rejoicing or just merely bleating.

That is where the parable breaks down. However, surely, a ewe knows her lamb, and may be seen to rejoice when it is near her.

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You made a semantic argument this weak soup - AP#2 was talking about being claimed as a son by the Most High. I would not mind that fate.

I should be that lucky, blessed, redeemed, accepted, whatever you want to call it.

There is probably some sort of language barrier taking place here.

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I understood the reference being likened to was that of a son. I am speaking out against the language that equates a father-son relationship with an owner-property relationship.

Words are important. Analogies are powerful tools and as such can be quite dangerous/damaging when weirded without sufficient consideration.

Humans, including children are not owned property. They are not to be sold, bought, scrapped or parted out. A good father son relationship cannot be adequately modeled as an owner property relationship, moreover the comparison is harmful in many ways and should be actively deterred.

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I am my father's son, and he was my father. He owned me, and I owned him. If you fought me, you fought him, and if you fought him, you fought me as well.

I was not someone else's son, I was his son. You are driving holes into the pavement with your semantics, but signifying nothing. If a sound is emitted in the dark, and there is no wall, no tree to reflect it, does it ever echo back a refrain?

I am my employer's employee, not someone else's. Too are placing valence on something that is of no particular consequence at all.

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I would like you think that you truly do not understand what is being pointed out and so you miss the implications.

However, your defense is too spirited to be railing against something you don't actually perceive.

I have no need to 'win' this discussion. I hope that away from exchange you will reconsider the implications of modeling human/human relationships on a system of ownership.

You are easily smart enough to flesh this out once you no longer so vested in the argument that your claimed inability or actual unwillingness to percieve a consequence is conferred to all others such that no consequence could possibly exist.

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I always felt, I don't care what religion you are, just don't preach yours to me.

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No. I own God, and God owns me. I and my Father are one blood. Everything I have I owe to him, and everything he owned, he shared with me. You are the empty land crying out in its lack.

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So, now you have god-blood, is it? And everything belongs to this god, and he shared it all with you, so you have the right to everything/anything?

Absurd. Deserving of severe ridicule, even if you are going to claim it iw out of bounds for criticism by claiming it is religious, i don't accept that as legitimate.

You have real actual blood. This god has imaginary blood. Your blood is not the same blood. Even if it were, that would exclude 3very other person of your faith, as you would be the only true believer as evidenced by your god-blood.

If you now claim that your insistence that you ae of one blood was merely a metaphor and not intended to be seen as literally true....then why are you so angry? Metaphors are not right or wrong, just useful or not. If it isn't perceived the way you i tended, the fault is mostly in the poor weilding of the metaphor, not in the inability to decypher your cryptic turkey chase.

The taboo on calling out this type of nonsense is absurd and generally harmful. The insistence that what ever bizarre story is concocted must not be labled as obvious fiction if labled 'religion' is an insipid conditioning toward less critical evaluation of the world around

Have some respect for what you say and claim to believe.

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I have heard of leaping to conclusions, however, you sir have launched beyond the pail.

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Well, yes, in hindsight, I now see taking you at your word is clearly beyond the pale.

I endeavor to improve. I will keep in mind that comments from you should not be considered to have meaning that corresponds with what you have written. That does at least make a little sense....why hold your own writings to a higher standard than that which you consider of devine inspiration.

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Many years ago I was sat in a lecture hall. One of the guys (as we were all) was acting fairly inatentive/discurtious to a guest speaker (feet up on desk, cig in hand etc). After the event, the hosting lecturer ripped him to pieces. At no point did he raise his voice or use expletives. I said to the guy afterwards something along the lines of 'sheesh, you just got toasted, how did you not look shamed'. In total honesty he replied that he didn't even know it was so. I'd listened in on the same lecturere do similar to jobsworthy people on the phone. 'Class' is ripping somebodies nuts off, leaving them thanking you and only realizing later what a gaff they have made. Total humiliation with no swearing or voice raised. My mate only realized when it was too late.

A well timed expletive can work good, but the killer is a choice phrase that only dawns on the victim a little later. No vulgarity, just a few words that upon realization leaves them looking for a place to hide in shame. The aforementioned lecturer should have done a course in that art, and it is an art.

Very few people get that skill, until in the workplace. That's a shame, managing people involves that very much. Keeping calm and seeing that everybody gets along. Expletives and swearing are easy,true communication is mch harder.

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Those time delayed put downs are highly effective because there is no time for rebuttal.

It makes them THINK.

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It also avoids confrontation

To be honest, it was hilarious. 'Pete' honestly had no idea and he did deserve it. He even thought he was being payed a compliment. About a year later I was in the lecturer's office, he was sorting vacation work, and some sec gave him a hard time. He very calmly ripped her neck off. Within two minutes he was on to CEO, he never even raised his voice. Two minutes later CEO of XXXXXXX called him back and sorted it. It does help if you know the boss and have been in the heli with him then back for a Brie.

I was lucky in knowing people who knew people. Not personally, just a good lecturer.

Denying rebuttal time is a class tactic. It's the kind of tactic nobody learns at Uni. It's not something I advocate, but does happen. I've had similar, the results you can guess. It's pretty much 'f**k you.'

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The first time it happened to me was in 2nd grade from a penmanship assignment.

My teacher told me that, with my penmanship, I should become a doctor.

I thought it was a compliment.

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This sounds more like the scattered works of Duns Scotus. Take any reputable research out of context and it can quickly become suitable for a dunce's pointy cap.

This cumberworld of an article certainly seems to me to confuse where a personal pronoun can be placed.

As a proud New York dorbel I also find it ludicrous to think the honest habit of not hiding outrage and disgust is a surprise to anyone. While an inappropriate outburst can quickly obfuscate a perspective, one must sometimes startle a mumblecrust while they nibble their lubberwort, bless their little hearts.

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Nice links. I have a 'grammar GNASHGAB' that I'd like to apply it to on our next exchange.

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There are those who believe the English language only has use as a tool to produce higher insults than the previous ones.

I have witnessed many a scumsucking toad, pretending to be beautiful, cultured, classical, while at the same time being as intelligent as a fence post. I have also seen plain women take on an exceptional beauty once the melody of their voice sings out with a harmony of word, intonation, and pitch variance, that makes the heart sing.

On the rare occasion when the beauty is physical, spiritual, and emotional, the glow and glory of the female is above that of any other in the universe. To have all of that and to want more is vain. To have all that and destroy it is worse than vain.

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Well, Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another thread run off the frickin rails.

Beam me up Scottie!

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Energize!!! screescraw twiddle dee, blop blop bloop, uh oh, the transporter locked down on the outbound transmission, we lost him, Scottie!

Scottie to Captain Kirk: "I dunno wot hapn'd cap'n!" "Some of my best tribbles are working on it, but I am afraid if we get him back he will be changed in the most unusual way..." "Has anyone seen my rabbit that was loose on the transporter deck yesterday?"

You mean to tell me that bio-engineering crossed a rabbit with a tribble?

That is the trouble with tribbles, trids are for kicks!

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The God of Jacob is gracious, merciful and slow to anger. But, He reserves time of vengeance in due time.

And, He said, "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

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Who said this? When did He say this? Listen, Isis man, your time is up, do you hear that whistle overhead?

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"But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make even one hair white or black. All you need to say is simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything beyond this comes from the evil one."

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Once again, if this advice is so worthwhile, you should take heed.

That line that you made bold, about limiting comments to just two words ('yes' and 'no') would be a excellent place for you to begin demonstrating lifelong unwavering devotion.

Can you do that? (Don't miss this chance to begin)

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And then there's levels of swearing used in a comedy aspect. I don't care for the level like Eddie Murphy in 'raw'.

but more of the slap stick kind like the political snowflakes addressing the snowflake troupers.

I'm not going to get into Blazin' Saddles... only because it's also not very good for the P.C. minded in our community. But it is hilarious.

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I maybe digress a little, but what do you all think about Schoolkids reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. It is a form of swearing, though not exactly to the point.

To redeem myself, I have seen experiments in which swearing helped people. The participants had a hand stuck in ice water. Those allowed to use profanities could withstand the pain for longer.

All people know the 'naughty' words, and a few can get by life without using them. I'd suggest that eloquent use of accepted words is not that different. It's all about intent.

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I think since I live in the South (definitely not the North), knowing that my ancestors were forced at gunpoint to recite the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America. Allegedly, then we were supposed to be good ol' citizens, and not lazy, good for nothing southerners who wanted nothing more than owning black folks for our wicked ends. By the way, none of my ancestors were affluent enough to own a slave, and if they had, there were all colors of slaves to be had, white, black, red, brown, yellow...all colors. They all had red blood.

I don't care. I love the United States, and I have always looked forward to reciting the Pledge of Allegiance every morning when I was in grade school. I think if the little snowflakes are too good to recite allegiance to the Flag, then they are too good to be at our public schools, and should be send away somewhere else (preferably cold and waterless).

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I maybe digress a little, but what do you all think about Schoolkids reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. It is a form of swearing, though not exactly to the point.

To redeem myself, I have seen experiments in which swearing helped people. The participants had a hand stuck in ice water. Those allowed to use profanities could withstand the pain for longer.

All people know the 'naughty' words, and a few can get by life without using them. I'd suggest that eloquent use of accepted words is not that different. It's all about intent.

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