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Back to 48 U.S. States? (February 2023 Challenge Question)

Posted January 31, 2023 12:00 AM
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You are voted the very first apolitical president of the U.S. and you must eliminate two extant states using ONLY logic and reasoning.

Which two do you eliminate?

(Try as best you can to eliminate your political biases, please!)

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Good answers: Vermont, Wyoming, North Dakota, Montana, Alaska

The questions asks for two states, but there are more than two possible answers - depending on your logic and reasoning.

The critical lens this question should be viewed with is: What happens the people and assets of that state? And what embodies a state? Is it the people, the institutions and assets, both, or something else entirely?

That isn't provided, so you need to infer it.

  • Option 1: People in those states die; the assets stay
  • Option 2: People disappear (think Leftovers style); assets stay
  • Option 3: People move elsewhere; the asset stay
  • Option 4: People move elsewhere; the assets are removed entirely
  • Option 5: People and assets succeed as an independent nation

That means the driving decision factors should be population, economy and 'culture.'

If we prioritize human lives, the answers for Options 1 & 2 would be Wyoming and Vermont - that states with the least amount of people affected. The same is true for Option 3, which would create millions of refugees.

Option 4: So the people move and you lose the economies and assets of two states. You might value the mountains of Vermont and Yellowstone National Park over say, the barren tundra of North Dakota (GDP #44, population #47). Or Montana (GDP #47, population #43). Alaska (GDP #48, population #48) is huge, so there's that. It also might be more strategically important than other choices.

Option 5:

Well they won't be U.S. citizens, and will remain alive. Without being cruel, you can disregard a lot those considerations. This would point to a strictly asset management approach. Many of the above answers would fit in here. If you're a fan of contiguity, you might pick Hawaii (GDP #41),

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01/31/2023 4:14 AM

I would guess the two smallest states with the least resources, that being Rhode Island and Delaware...

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Re: Back to 48 U.S. States? (February 2023 Challenge Question)

02/01/2023 10:55 AM

If you eliminate Rhode Island, then you eliminate the one state whose spelling starts with a "R." If you eliminate Rhode Island, then you eliminate its Capital, Providence. We, the United States, exist because of Providence. If you eliminate Rhode Island, are you going to erase the signatures of William Ellery and Stephen Hopkins from the Declaration of Independence? And what about the contributions of Roger Williams to our own personal freedoms? Besides, Rhode Island has almost the least amount of US Highway miles. If you don't like paying your gas tax, think about that.Sorry. I can't go with you on this. Leave Rhode Island alone.

Do you really want me to get started on Delaware? The only state whose spelling starts with a "D?" Besides, Delaware is the state with the lowest number of natural disasters. Another financial reason to support her membership in the Union.

We have 8 states whose spelling starts with a "N." We have 8 states whose spelling starts with the letter "M." We have 6 states whose state bird is the Norther Cardinal. We have four states who have eagles on the top of their capital domes. Surely, some of this redundancy can be reduced?

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01/31/2023 4:15 AM

Alaska and Hawaii.

They are not united physically with the rest.

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01/31/2023 4:34 AM

Shirley you jest.....Alaska is a bottomless pit of valuable resources, and Hawaii is a strategic military base....

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01/31/2023 4:39 AM

Russia will gladly take Alaska back.

I’d think about what happens to California, when the water tap is shut off.

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02/14/2023 9:15 AM

Sorry but us Canucks have first dibs on Alaska if you didn't want her anymore but I think Alaska is too important to let go.

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02/14/2023 9:41 AM

Can’t you wait until the pipeline resumes and gets finish… you’ll already have a market as well as distribution system..

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05/09/2023 3:35 PM

Am I the only one to believe that the Official Correct Answer is utter and complete rubbish?

Odd, this: I cannot reply to the OP, but I can reply to a post... this one, anyway.

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05/09/2023 4:41 PM

had to read your post a couple of times to understand, I have no answer to that… but your problem is now brought to light,

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01/31/2023 4:42 AM

I'm interpreting "logic and reasoning" from a puzzleist's point of view.

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01/31/2023 2:28 PM

Combine the Dakotas, combine the Carolinas.

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01/31/2023 7:48 PM

There might be something to this.

Both were united at one time. GA.

Aside, the US flag in the OP shoulda been a 48 Star flag.

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02/01/2023 3:57 PM

Why not also merge West Virginia and Virginia back to just Virginia? Then Washington D.C. could gain statehood to keep the count at 48. The state of Washington D.C. would become the smallest state but not the least populous state.

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02/01/2023 4:31 PM

That won’t leave room for Puerto Rico... or Virgin Islands.

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02/01/2023 4:59 PM

True, but AFAIK the five major and about a dozen other territories of the United States have not pushed for statehood. Washington D.C. has repeatedly pushed for federal representation by statehood. Ironically the moto on today's D.C. license plate is "End Taxation Without Representation." Also I'm trying to stay at the statehood count of 48 for this challenge.

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02/01/2023 6:28 PM

As state full of attorneys and politicians and the people who serve them… what could go wrong.

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02/02/2023 12:41 PM

Shrink D.C. down to the non-residential areas around the Capitol area and if they really care about representation, they can move. Maryland is already deep blue, so annexing the parts of D.C. north and east of the Potomac won't make a bit of difference, although potentially, Maryland might pick up a seat in the House if the population numbers swung enough.

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02/08/2023 8:01 AM

There is a huge homeless shelter about (2) blocks from the Whitehouse… I’m sure they’ll vote anyway for a few empty promises…

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02/02/2023 5:17 AM

"That won’t leave room for Puerto Rico... or Virgin Islands."

Hey, what about us: apart from a brief flirtation with Europe, we've been trying to become the 51st state since WWII.

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01/31/2023 4:43 PM

Delaware is absorbed into Maryland and Row-Dyland is absorbed into Connecticut. These are small states that are culturally and economically similar to their neighbors so as to reduce the impact to their citizens although one could argue that Maryland should be absorbed by West Virginia to the west, Virgina gets central Maryland and Maryland's Eastern Shore is absorbed by Delaware.

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02/01/2023 8:13 AM

Perhaps my answer was partly facilitated by not having any irons in the fire as far as the political/financial aspects are concerned. But Maybe some of the more practical answers are facilitated by very good local knowledge: I mean I've never even heard of "Row-Dyland".

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02/01/2023 8:43 AM

Row-Dyland

Considering further, Randall has a valid point. Puzzles like this, it is easy to insert things not stated. Solar correctly states the resource richness of Alaska, elsewhere noted that Russia would gladly take it back. Neither of these points are in evidence.

United States... AK and HI are non- contiguous, thus not united in that particular sense. Reasoned and logical? Dunno.

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02/01/2023 11:51 AM

Just a funny on the way the locals pronounce it.

Of course, I am no one to talk about funny accents since I grew up in the Boston area and was steeped in the silent R's vernacular unless of course you had a good I-dear on where to go to get a good bee-ah.

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02/01/2023 5:20 PM

Or should I say " . . . a wicked good bee-ah."

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02/02/2023 5:08 AM

I understand that scrod is a fish which some Boston restaurants specialise in.

A businessman arriving in Boston for a convention found that his first evening was free, and he decided to go find a good seafood restaurant that served scrod, a Massachusetts specialty. Getting into a taxi, he asked the cab driver, "Do you know where I can get scrod around here?"

The cabby replied "Mister, I've heard that question a hundred times before, but, never in the future pluperfect tense."

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01/31/2023 5:42 PM

This thread may not be too far fetched…
things may change… one may have to brush up on geography,,,

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02/01/2023 11:29 AM

Yea: did any of you guys see this online petition to change the borders of the Turkish province of Batman to match the Caped Crusader's symbol:-

It wouldn't be too much a change:-

If you follow the link you can sign the petition.

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02/05/2023 2:16 PM

I like it. Maybe they could change Sirnak to Superman, but they're probably to Lazic to do it.

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02/01/2023 12:15 PM

Maybe you could have used a better word than extant, such as useless. Then maybe this thread would have some logic.

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02/02/2023 11:40 AM

Absorb Rhode Island and Delaware as proposed. Combine the Dakotas, and Virginia with West Virginia. Then split California into 3 states: Francisco, California, and Angeles. Then the states will be closer to the same size.

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02/02/2023 12:52 PM

Great idea !

I-5 would make a great north-south border between the "New California" and Francisco and Angeles. Make an east-west border between Francisco and Angeles somewhere around Big Sur.

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02/02/2023 2:10 PM

And break up the monopoly of Stewart and Lynda Resnic. would be ahhhh,… ‘Wonderful’.

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02/02/2023 9:12 PM

So much for keeping political biases out of this.

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02/02/2023 9:19 PM

Yet Another brave self-disenfranchised Anonymous Poster (see below), because of your bias you really need to address the root of the problem where it began.

To help you with your own gutless bias, here’s a little history of Washington DC… reinforcing my earlier sarcastic post on the reason Washington DC shouldn’t be a state.

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02/04/2023 10:17 PM

Well, California seems to be in their own little world. Let it go it's own way. It's going to fall into the sea anyway.

And we Texans...we've been our own independent entity in the past, and we can do it again.

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