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MaSu on Mozzies: Anopheles de Havillandus

Posted October 14, 2007 8:50 AM by masu

So what is an Anopheles de Havillandus? Well, it's a bit of a play on words which refers to the DH-98 Mosquito fighter-bomber manufactured by de Havilland Aircraft Company and used by the air forces of 20 countries between 1941 and 1956.

By the start of WWII in 1939 aircraft and aviation technology had improved dramatically from the flimsy structures of the early 20th century that could barely fly. Aluminium had almost completely replaced wood, fabric and wire as the preferred material to construct aircraft. The power and performance had also improved dramatically from the 9 kW (12 hp) and maximum speed of 27 knots of the Wright Flyer to the 330 knot spitfire with its 1,096 kW (1,470 hp) 27 litre V12 Rolls Royce Merlin engine. So, as you can expect, the proposal by de Havilland Aircraft company for a light bomber constructed primarily from wood was treated with considerable scepticism and viewed as a technological step backwards.

At the time the consensus was that bombers needed to be highly armed and armored heavy multi-engine aircraft bristling with machine guns and carrying a crew of ten or more. The unarmed, unarmored, primarily wooden Mosquito with its crew of two was too radical for the military and did not receive initial approval or government funding leaving de Havilland to either scrap the project or fund the construction of the prototype themselves. Fortunately de Havilland had faith in the project and when the privately funded prototype revealed its performance government backing was quickly granted.

The Mosquito quickly gained approval, even from the most unexpected sources and Herman Göring probably summed it up best when he stated.

  • In 1940 I could at least fly as far as Glasgow in most of my aircraft, but not now! It makes me furious when I see the Mosquito. I turn green and yellow with envy. The British, who can afford aluminium better than we can, knock together a beautiful wooden aircraft that every piano factory over there is building, and they give it a speed which they have now increased yet again. What do you make of that?

Indeed, what do you make of that?

Prior to the outbreak of hostilities in 1939 de Havilland realized that in the event of all out war there would be serious difficulties both in the supply of aluminium and labour required to build aircraft constructed primarily from aluminium. On the other hand the highly skilled cabinet, furniture and piano makers would have little to do and finding a supply of timber would be considerably easier than aluminium.

The image on the right shows how the Mosquito was primarily constructed from a laminate of 9.5 mm (3/8") thick Ecuadorian balsa wood sandwiched between two layers of Canadian birch.

The fuselage was constructed in two halves with the separate layers of the laminate being laid down inside concrete moulds. The installation of much of the internal structure, electrical wiring, control cables, hydraulic lines etcetera was made considerably easier by carrying out this task prior to the mating of the two halves.

Once the majority of the internal work on the fuselage and wings was completed the halves were joined together to form the two major sub assemblies of the fuselage and wings.

By breaking the aircraft up into sub assemblies as shown at right, it was possible to construct them in separate facilities. The finished sub assemblies could then be shipped to wherever the final assembly was to take place and mated to form an almost finished aircraft.

A cursory initial glance would give the impression that the Mosquito was a technological step backwards but this was not the case. In reality it was using many of the techniques that are currently used to construct aircraft from composites like carbon or glass fiber reinforced epoxies and aluminium alloy honeycomb laminates.

Whilst not a deliberate design consideration the primarily wooden construction made the mosquito very difficult to detect with the radar systems available at the time. As a result the Mosquito was really the first stealthy aircraft.

What did all this add up to? To give you some idea of what the Mosquito was capable of lets do a comparison with a few of the aircraft it flew with and against.

The result was a fighter bomber that could out perform many of the aircraft it was used against while having a capacity not that much smaller than some of the medium to heavy bombers.

Herman Göring often boasted that Berlin, Germany's capital, was safe from Allied bombers, so when British intelligence learned he was to address a parade in Berlin on 31st January 1943 commemorating the 10th anniversary of the Nazis coming to power the perfect opportunity to upset the German high command was too good to be ignored. A gaggle of three Mosquitoes from RAF 105 squadron bombed the assembly and seriously disrupted Göring's address. Later the same day a second gaggle of Mosquitoes attacked another rally further disrupting the celebrations. Needless to say the German High Command was not impressed and the raids seriously undermined German morale and the credibility of the High Command.

Mosquitoes also carried out numerous extremely low level bombing raids including several on Gestapo buildings that destroyed many of their records and freed prisoners. Nuisance raids like this caused considerable disruption to and annoyance to the German High Command earning the Mosquito the nick names "The Wooden Wonder" and "The Timber Terror"

Variants of the Mosquito were used for photo reconnaissance, night fighters, pathfinder aircraft and even a torpedo bomber with folding wings for aircraft carrier based operations. It was also used by BOAC as a cargo aircraft carrying high value cargoes and the occasional VIPs where a normal cargo or passenger aircraft ran the risk of being intercepted and shot down by enemy fighters. The mosquito was manufactured in England (5,007 aircraft), Canada (1,134 aircraft) and Australia (212 aircraft) and was in production for ten years between 1940 and 1950.

Unfortunately materials used in the laminates and the adhesives available when the Mosquitoes were constructed has severely limited their long term preservation and restoration with only a handful still existing.. The crash of Mosquito RR299 a T Mk III at Barton Aerodrome during an air show in which both crew members lost their lives, left no known airworthy Mosquitoes worldwide. There are, however, several projects under way to return several Mosquitoes to airworthy condition including a New Zealand project that is using new timber and adhesives to construct a new airframe and the Canadian Historic Aircraft Association project which is constructing a new Mosquito from scratch.

My lifelong interest in aircraft meant the news that the Mosquito Aircraft Association of Australia was restoring an ex Royal Australian Air Force aircraft A52-600 de Havilland DH-98 Mosquito PR Mk XVI definitely got my attention. Unfortunately the work is being carried out at the RAAF Museum Point Cook, Victoria, Australia, which is some 740 km from where I live so that pretty much meant being involved was impossible.

However, I have also had a life long interest in constructing models and it didn't take long for the two interests to combine within the tangled threads of thought within my somewhat unusual head. I soon found myself suggesting to my close family that a joint project to construct a flying model of the de Havilland Mosquito would be interesting, educating and entertaining. When I then raised the subject with other CR4 participants I found that there were others that found the subject interesting and before long the project started to gather speed and grow in size and complexity.

Ultimately the project is likely to take at least a couple of years and as the project progresses and I gather more information on the de Havilland DH-98 Mosquito I will be documenting within the expanded blog.

As usual you can read further by following these links.

The next thread on the Masu on Mozzies theme will be on the search for the plans and the decision of the specifications for the model.

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10/15/2007 7:15 PM

A wonderful idea. Best wishes. Keep us informed please.

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10/20/2007 4:52 PM

OOooohhh I can't wait!! I think of all the beautiful aircraft from the second world war which are never to be seen again.

If I had unlimited funding, I would build several of them... P38s, P51s, B29s... or what I would really like to see would be a ME262. Of course I know the funding will never occur.

Good luck on the project and please keep us informed.

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10/21/2007 4:07 AM

Andy

Thanks for the ME 262 links. I wonder how many of them are still flying.

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10/21/2007 4:53 AM

Hold up, all the flying ones have been recently built to modern standards.....in the USA I believe......

Due to inherent dangers of the old original engines the original aircraft are not allowed to fly anymore.....only in your head and in museum films.....

Sorry I did not make myself clear before.....but it is also mentioned in some of the videos I posted too......the color film is a new machine!!

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10/21/2007 10:51 AM

I'm pretty sure Andy is correct and the only flying ME-262 are the reproductions constructed by The Messerschmitt ME-262 Project. While they have stuck rigidly to the original plans they are not using the original engines but rather General Electric J-85 which are considerably more powerful and phenomenally more reliable.

The original engines in the ME-262 had some serious problems that were related to their design. The ME-262 engines were axial flow engines while the Whittle engines were radial flow engines. I seem to remember that in his biography he mentioned having considered axial flow jet engines but the technology available at the time made them difficult to construct and as a result unreliable.

If I remember correctly the ME-262 engines needed some serious maintenance after only 20 hours of service and complete rebuilds after 200. I also seem to remember reading that their mean time between failure was something like 200 hours so with a twin engine aircraft you can expect to be handling an engine failure every 100 hours of flight time. Not good at all!

On the other hand the engines whittle was producing could easily go 2,000 hours before needing a rebuild. However, because they were a radial flow system their frontal cross section was considerably greater than the axial flow engines making them less suitable for high speed aircraft where the frontal area is critical.

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10/21/2007 1:53 PM

I would imagine so... the place for an original would be in a museum where it couldn't get off the ground. I don't know any details about the J-85, but I would hope it was selected for its size such that it wouldn't destroy the lines of the aircraft.

Thinking about the Mozzies, I wonder if de Havilland might have the original plans stashed somewhere... and would be willing to part with copies of them.

I would think that the hard part of doing one from scratch would be getting engines for it. Are any still available after 50+ years?

Then I had the thought of building one in the garage (if I had a big garage)... getting it picture perfect... then realizing that the nearest runway is miles away. I could always leave it in the driveway and have passerbys wonder "How the hell did he get that there!!". Kind of like the guy building a boat in his basement.

Sure wish I could help with it, but Australia is a long long walk from Washington, and I don't think my arthritic hips would make it.

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10/21/2007 3:04 PM

Then it is high Time you got some new hips!!! I have several friends with them, quality of life 250% better....

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10/22/2007 4:57 AM

Hi gals, guys & gurus,

  • Thinking about the Mozzies, I wonder if de Havilland might have the original plans stashed somewhere... and would be willing to part with copies of them.

The Mozzie was built in a couple of places in the UK as well and in Canada and Australia by Hawker de Havilland. I am told the plans for the Australian version were surreptitiously sent by printing them on the back of postage stamps and then mailing them stamp by stamp to Australia where they were reassembled. I have however not been able to confirm this yet and I will cover it in detail in a later thread.

I am however pretty sure that there are several copies of the original plans in existence and am pretty sure the Australian restoration project has a set that is relevant to the version they are restoring. The New Zealand and US teams must have a set as well as the NZ team are building the airframe from scratch while the US team are building everything from scratch.

  • I would think that the hard part of doing one from scratch would be getting engines for it. Are any still available after 50+ years?

They made a hell of a lot of Merlin engines over the years and they were used in a lot of different aircraft as well as boats. Back in the early 1980s my family was looking at purchasing a large boat that we could use as a second home for whoever wanted to get away for a while. We never did purchase a boat but one of the ones that we looked at and placed a bid for was an ex air force crash rescue boat. It had a double diagonally planked teak hull and had two Merlin engines to propel it. The plan was to remove the Merlin engines and replace them with diesels but we missed out on winning the bid by a gnat's whisker so the project fell in a whole.

The big problem with restoring or constructing a Mozzie from scratch is the way it was built. The fuselage and wings were laid up inside concrete moulds that were used to created the wing and fuselage sub assemblies in two halves.

That makes it pretty much essential to have the moulds if you intend to do any serious repair or reconstruction. It is however possible to create a set of fiberglass moulds if you have a relatively intact aircraft. The gliding club I was involved with did exactly this with a glider called the Hornet. We had a set of wings from an aircraft that had been crashed and there were several other sets of wings from aircraft that had been involved in similar accidents. Unfortunately the company that manufactured the Hornet went out of business and the moulds were destroyed making it difficult to get new fuselages. We did however have two fully airworthy Hornets so we struck up a deal with one of the local glider repair facilities to loan them one of our fuselages to create the moulds. In return we received a new fuselage to go with the unused set of wings we had.

I would suspect that the NZ and US crews are working together and sharing the cost of constructing the moulds necessary to construct the airframes.

The other hassle was the way all the internal structure and fittings were installed. Nearly all of the internal cables, controls etcetera were installed prior to the two halves of the sub assemblies being joined together. This made it easy to construct them but a real bugger to fix as it was nearly impossible to get to any of the internal bits and pieces once the halves were joined. We have exactly the same problem with modern gliders and you end up having to cut holes in them all over the place to get to things.

  • Then I had the thought of building one in the garage (if I had a big garage)... getting it picture perfect... then realizing that the nearest runway is miles away.

But your forgetting that the fuselage and wings are constructed separately and then shipped to the airfield where they would be mated ready to fly so you could easily move it to the local airfield.

Actually, the de Havilland Mosquito is one of the few aircraft that could be built at home by anybody with reasonable carpentry skills and a fairly well equipped wood working workshop. The only difficult part would be getting hold of the moulds. However, I am certain that the if you approached the US or NZ teams they would be willing to either let you utilize their moulds or construct the wing and fuselage shells for a fee.

It all depends on how much money you have and how understanding your better half is. I was stretching it when I decided to go from a 1:12 to 1:8 scale model so going all the way to a full scale would definitely be a deal breaker. While perusing the plans I did suggest that this was just a trial before moving to a full scale construction which received a response that was less than warm. Actually it was closer to absolute zero so I decided that mentioning it again would be pushing my luck too far.

The next thread will deal with the plans in more detail so if you could be patient and hang on for a week there will be a whole lot more on the subject of plans.

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10/22/2007 5:13 AM

I don`t know if it still of any interest, but there was a film shot in the UK sometime in the later 60s or early 70s called I believe "The Battle of Britain" or similar.

I haven`t seen the film in years (yes they do show such films in Germany, but having seen the film umpteen times years ago, I switch to a different channel!), but I do believe that there are some nice shots of a few Mossies (amongst other rare aircraft today...!), whether they were original or not I cannot say.....or even maybe just mockups.....

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Hi Andy Germany,

The Battle of Britain is one of the all time great war movies and is probably one of the most accurate representations of the events.

There was however one minor inaccuracy that was somewhat a bit of a contradiction of terms. While for the most part they used genuine aircraft, but the Junkers JU-88 aircraft they used ex Spanish Air Force aircraft. The problem was with them is that because the Spanish Air Force couldn't get parts for the engines they replaced the engines. If you watch the move and look closely you will see that the JU-88 aircraft in the movie have the engine makers name on the engine cowls. The contradiction comes from the name of the engine manufacturer as it was Rolls Royce so you have a German designed aircraft with engines manufactured by RR up against RAF aircraft that also had engines manufactured by RR.

I remember seeing a documentary on the making of the film and if I remember they used a B-17 flying fortress as a flying camera platform replacing all the guns with cameras giving them phenomenal camera angles and views. They also painted it in really bright colours so they could coordinate the shots by telling the pilots to approach from a particular coloured direction.

I havn't watched it for some time but it shows up on cable TV fairly frequently usually with that other classic "The Right Stuff" so next time I notice it I will record it to use as a reference during the construction.

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10/22/2007 7:00 AM

I would pay for a copy with postage of that "Making of....

Either as DVD or VHS, I assume you have PAL?

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10/22/2007 11:05 AM

Hi Andy,

  • I assume you have PAL?

Yes we do but not for much longer. As of the end of this year we are supposed to go fully digital so there will be no more PAL transmissions.

Not to worry, we have a couple of super smart digital cable boxes that save any programs onto their internal hard disk drive and then replay it whenever you wish. They are really great because the always buffer at least the last 30 minutes of program so you can stop and then replay bits you missed or pause it while you do something else or if you are interrupted for some reason.

In theory it I should be able to record it on the internal disk drive then dump it to a standard PAL VHS video recorder so next time I notice it's on I will give it a try and report on the results using the CR4 mail server.

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Many thanks, all costs involved will be met...

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10/22/2007 12:33 PM

Andy...

I have a copy of it on DVD. I love all the Hurricanes and Spitfires, and the German aircraft too. I haven't noticed any Mossies, but I haven't been looking for them either. I will have to look closer.

Bill.

All those that they blatently destroyed were all models (thank god).

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Do you mean the " How the film was made" or the film itself?

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sorry... just the film itself.

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10/22/2007 5:20 PM

Thanks but no thanks....I want the "How it was made" Movie!

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10/23/2007 1:30 AM

The battle of Britain ran from 10th July 1940 to 31st October 1940 and the de Havilland Mosquito did not enter active service till 1941 so if they showed any in the movie they shouldn't have been there. It was a similar story with The Blitz which ran from 7th September 1940 to 10th May 1941 so there would only have been Mozzies involved at the very end.

However, the sporadic night bombing of targets in the UK continued for some time and in early 1942 a Night Fighter Version of the Mosquito entered service. There were a couple of different radar systems employed and the armament varied from small caliber cannon and multiple machine guns to just cannons. The navigator became the radar operator and guided the pilot to the enemy aircraft. The poor old German bomber crews didn't stand a chance because not only did the Mozzie have something like a 100 knot speed advantage but it was almost impossible to see or detect at night. Usually the first thing the German crew new about the approach of a Mozzie was when it opened fire upon them by which time it was too late.

As far as I know the German bombers never utilized radars but even if they did detecting a Mozzie would be fairly difficult as its wooden construction made it a fairly small radar target. I do however have a thought rattling around in the back of my head that the Germans developed a radar detection system that they used to detect radar equipped night fighters. If this is indeed true then I don't think it ever saw widespread use.

The thing that I find amazing about all this technology is that it takes something cataclysmic as unrestricted warfare to get the politicians and decision makers to give the scientists, engineers and inventers with the bright ideas the resources they need.

A classic example was Frank Whittle and his concept of a Jet engine. He started work on the idea for jet propulsion while he was studying engineering in the mid 1920s. His supervisors all told him that his calculations were wrong and that jet propulsion was completely impossible. It turned out that all the calculations done to date by numerous people were all wrong and that the only person that was correct figures was Frank Whittle. Even when he proved he was correct and everybody else was wrong he faced an uphill battle, several cancellations and a shoe string budget to develop his idea. Even when he had a engine working they cancelled the program once and it wasn't till some high up RAF officer accidentally walked into the jet wash of his test rig and got thrown a considerable distance through the air that he was taken seriously. Then when he did manage to get the thing working an in an operational aircraft the powers to be forbid the use of jet aircraft in combat situations.

In Whittles biography he claims that had he not been subject to all the barriers, funding cuts, cancellations and restarts, he could have had an operational engine by around 1935 and an operational aircraft by mid to late 1938. If the RAF had operational jet fighters at the beginning of WWII the thought of going up against a country that had an air force with overwhelming air superiority may have made Hitler think twice about starting WWII. Then again, Hitler was a total smeg head so he probably would have still gone ahead with his plans. However, if the RAF had jet fighters it would have almost certainly hastened his demise and dramatically reduced the consequences of his actions.

Oh well, I guess some things never change.


Andy Germany I too thought you were after the movie. Not to worry, if I see the documentary about the making of the movie I will do the same.

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10/23/2007 6:10 AM

Many thanks. As I said before, any costs will be met (most gratefully) by myself.

A DVD (selfmade from the TV signal) would be fantastic, but even a VHS Cassette would also be fully acceptable.

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10/23/2007 6:46 AM

I have set myself a reminder to look for a listing for it once a month, but it could take some time before it shows up.

I havn't got a system that can be used to burn DVDs but it is one of the things on the wish list so there is a good chance I will have access to one by the time it next gets broadcast.

I just receive a parcel from the UK and its probably not worth worrying about the cost as the fees to transfer the money are considerably greater than the few dollars it costs to mail a DVD. If it is going to be too expensive I will contact you beforehand, but I pretty sure the cost will not worth worrying about.

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That is a great offer, many thanks....

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10/23/2007 11:11 AM

I get the feeling (from studying the U-boat war) that the Germans had no idea that airborne radar was even possible until late in the war. We were using radar to detect surfaced U-boats at night, and blowing the hell out of them... and they didn't know how.

Although... I have seen pictures of some German aircraft with an antenna array on the nose which looks like a phased array operating in the high vhf or uhf frequencies... but this could have been part of the target triangulating system that they were using (non-radar).

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10/24/2007 3:13 AM

It was radar, in fact in some areas the Germans were ahead of the Allies with regard to Radar.

The reason for the Bruneval raid in 1941 (or 42) was for that reason, we needed to get hold of a complete German radar to evaluate how it worked and at what frequences, in order to combat it.

Please read Prof. RV.Jones The most Secret war or Winston Churchill - The Second World War Vol IV of VI. I just happen to have completed recently RV.Jones book and I am reading the Winston Churchill's 6 part WWII!! Part IV is in my hands daily, only 2 more to go after that!!

The ASV radar ( an over the water version of the over the land version) which you may be talking about was designed to work at a higher frequencies than the Subs could detect (the previous version had given them "over the horizon forewarning!), it was a so called "Centimeter" radar. This area of high frequencies was an area that the Germans never managed to "crack" to any great degree....

A partial guess here as my info is memory only, the Magnetron (in every Microwave oven today) was the allied invention that allowed these much higher frequencies, the Germans did not have it.....

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10/24/2007 9:27 AM

Hi Andy & Bill

  • A partial guess here as my info is memory only, the Magnetron (in every Microwave oven today) was the allied invention that allowed these much higher frequencies, the Germans did not have it.....

You're spot on. The invention of the magnetron was a major breakthrough that the as far as I know the German scientists never managed to work out.

For those that do not understand the principal a magnetron works by subjecting electrons to an extremely intense magnetic field that is aligned at right angles to the direction of their motion. The good old right hand rule that relates force, motion, and magnetic fields means that provided the electrons are in a vacuum and have nothing to slow them down they will race round and round in tiny circles at frightening speeds emitting microwave radiation as they go. The Wikipedia article on The Cavity Magnetron has more information and diagrams that explain it quiet well..

The interesting part is that the cavity magnetron was developed by a Hans Holmann in Berlin in 1935. However, it was not used in German radars as they believed that the variations in the frequency of the microwaves produced by a cavity magnetron made them unsuitable so they used the klystron instead. The output power of the klystrons of the time were only a fraction of the magnetron and the German airborne radars were never as effective as the systems used by the allied forces.

The problem with a cavity magnetron is that it is neigh on indestructible and if the German scientists ever got their hands on one from a crashed aircraft and managed to associate it with the radar the game would have been up and much of the advantages the allied forces had in radar technology would be lost.

The Wikipedia articles on the cavity magnetron and klystron have lots of interesting information on the subjects and are well worth a read.

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10/24/2007 10:12 AM

You seem to like things like this, how about a question for you:-

What very simple object was first used in the Messerschmitt 190, copied by the allies and used in the later Spitfires to fix a bad problem they had and can be found in most household heating systems today that use water (at least in German heating systems, I haven't seen a British one in years...)?

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10/24/2007 6:08 PM

My first bet would be a fan.

I know that the P-51 (which also used the Merlin) had a problem with overheating when the aircraft had to sit stationary for any length of time. It had no airflow through the radiator under those conditions. Lord knows where I picked up that bit of info though.

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10/24/2007 6:54 PM

That was not what I was thinking about, but still interesting.

I'll give it 24 hours more and see what happens....

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10/25/2007 9:25 AM

Hi Andy,

  • I have just thought of a Mosquito question that I remember from a long time back, why did some of the early production machines have problems with "Coming unglued?" The glue was NOT at fault!!!

I do know that they had some serious problems with the original aircraft used in Australia because the casein based glue was suspected of failing catastrophically in flight leading to the loss of several aircraft. To get round the suspected problem of glue failure the bulk of aircraft built in Australia used a formaldehyde based glue and it apparently worked as there are no reports of large scale glue failure related problems.

However, I don't think this is what you are talking about and there were a number of accidents that were associated with what is referred to as asymmetric operation. The Mosquito only has one tail fin and that means it is normally not within the wash or airflow coming from the propellers. There are advantages and disadvantages of doing this and the disadvantage is the air flow around the tail fin is only as fast as the aircrafts airspeed. If it were in the prop wash then the speed of the air going past the tail fin is considerably higher than the straight air speed, especially with low speed operations during take off and landing. This reduction in speed of the air passing around the tail fin can dramatically reduce the effectiveness of the rudder and at low speeds you can easily run out of rudder control when trying to counter the yaw induced by an engine failure.

They tried to get round some of the problems by having two separate engine layouts which were basically mirror images of each other and as a result rotated the propellers in opposite directions. This got rid of problems with yaw induced by the prop wash and engine torque. However, it did not get rid of the problem with dealing with an engine failure at low speeds and there is a period of operation shortly after take off during which an engine failure will cause a loss of control and unrecoverable low altitude spin.

Is this low speed asymmetric operation problem what you are referring to?

  • What very simple object was first used in the Messerschmitt 190, copied by the allies and used in the later Spitfires to fix a bad problem they had and can be found in most household heating systems today that use water (at least in German heating systems, I haven't seen a British one in years...)?

I'm not sure about the aircraft you are referring to. As far as I know and according to the Wikipedia list of German aircraft Messerschmitt never built an aircraft that had a designation that contained the number 190. They did however build the Me-109 and there is a Focke-Wulf Fw-190. So, are you speaking of the Me-109 or the Fw-190?

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10/25/2007 10:38 AM

The Messerschmitt 109 (sorry about the typo on the 190, which never I believe ever existed!) had a "Swirl Pot" in the cooling water, to let out any steam bubbles or air bubbles which formed in the cooling when the engine was at full power, in any attitude.

The Spitfire of the day was also suffering overheating in some attitudes when the engine was being supercharged, mainly due to bubbles of steam in the cooling water, not cooling the engine correctly.

Someone found this "metal thing" in a crashed ME109 and puzzled over it for some days I believe until he realized what it did, it was immediately used in several allied aircraft including the Spitfire....

Any German heating system has one in the boiler to let out any gas or air bubbles in the hot water.....probably other countries have the same....

The other Mossie problem:-

The problem with certain Mossies coming unglued was finally found to be a bad manufacturing process that "cut" the wood pieces exactly without sanding.

The cutting process would close off the ends of the tiny "tubes" (wood is like millions of tiny tubes lying parallel to each other) and the glue could not enter the wood fiber far enough to be strong enough. The fix was to sand any glue joint area before glueing, to open up these tiny tubes again, allowing the glue to enter properly!

My apologies for the typo 190, it was not intentional, but might have caused some people not to come up with the right answer....sorry.

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10/25/2007 12:01 PM

Hi Andy,

Interesting stuff. I don't recall reading or hearing of the problem with the glue but I have a nagging feeling that is sounds familiar for some reason or other.

There definitely was a problem with the glue in the early Australian ones due to the combination of high temperatures and humidity and several mysterious accidents were attributed to glue failure.

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10/25/2007 12:28 PM

I believe (memory only) that this was when they first went into production and managers were trying to speed up the work in some areas without a full understanding of the properties needed for the glueing...

As far as I am aware, no crashes were caused as the parts basically fell apart during construction!!

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10/24/2007 7:04 PM

I have just thought of a Mosquito question that I remember from a long time back, why did some of the early production machines have problems with "Coming unglued?" The glue was NOT at fault!!!

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10/26/2007 1:33 AM

Hi, Masu!

I just forwarded this blogset to a WWII Mosquito pilot who has written a book "The Boys Of Spring, An Autobiography from World War II" White Knight Books, Toronto Canada ISBN 0-9780570-6-6 about his Mosquito fighting experiences during the war. You can reach Flying Officer G. Gordon Symons RCAF, at either gsymons@aol.com or via his housekeeper whose email address I'll send you privately if you wish. (It's often a better route.)

I hope he thoroughly enjoys the discussion you began about his plane.

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10/26/2007 9:59 AM

Hi Mark,

Thanks for the info. I will certainly send him an email and keep him informed of the project if he so wishes.

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10/27/2007 12:34 AM

Hi, Masu!

Let me know if you have difficulty in getting your email through. I've already alerted him to your blogset on Mosquitos.

Have you checked out the section (under the General heading) on engineering humour I started last week? (This does NOT refer to some of my more questionable response blogs, especially when they turn out to be proven to be the type that shows my head was up my ass when I wrote them!)

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10/27/2007 1:41 AM

Gidday Mark,

Lately, by the time I have responded to all the additions to existing threads and this blog I havn't any time left to look at new ones. I havn't looked at the daily CR4 newsletter or posted a comment on a new thread for something like 6 weeks, but I am still getting some 60+ new comments a day. As a result I havn't seen you thread, but I will definitely have a look right now.

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....and I thought I was keeping busy......!!!!

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02/20/2008 2:11 PM

Just found this thread and it's very interesting. I too am looking at building a nice Mossie. Curently I have a Tony Major plan.. can't temember if it's 1/9 or 1/10...Anyway, it's a poor plan with many scale details wrong, mainly the Fusalage section is squarish as opposed to 'egg' shaped.But it will be a nice test bed.I have trawled many sites and got loads of photos etc. especially of the rebuilds that are going on.....

Still, even so, and having visited the RAF Museum at Hendon yesterday, I still have some unanswered questions.These mainly relate to all the control surfaces and how they are hinged and actuated.I just can't get the details, although the Canada rebuild pics show some good details of the profiles and hinges....

Tail wheel detail is another hurdle, as are how the trim flaps work on the rudder and elevator...

Anyway,if you ever get CAD drawings together, pls let me know....

Have you came across the Mick Reeves kit from the UK? ( that's where I am). It's a fibregalss body+ wings to the nacelles, then plug in wings from the nacelles to the tips.... £500 odd for the plans and all the precut hard bits (yikes).

Didi you know that the main undercarriage doors were operated by wires hooked around the mainframe of the undercarriage + 2 springs at the rear to help them close?

Keep up the good work.........

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02/20/2008 2:15 PM

Andy..... the Film you really want of Mossies is called 633 Squadron. Available from the RAF Museum Hendon Shop....All about raids on the Norwegian Fijords.

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02/20/2008 7:42 PM

You are a pearl, many thanks.

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02/21/2008 2:50 AM

G'day chartman,

I have some 40 line drawing images which come from the de Havilland manual that detail how things like the control surfaces, undercarriage, etcetera operate.

If would like I can e-mail them to you but I will need your e-mail address as the CR4 system doesn't have a feature for attaching files to a message. Don't publicize your e‑mail address here as you never know who's watching. You can, however, send me a private message by following the link which is safe enough to use you're real e‑mail address.

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02/21/2008 3:12 AM

I must apologize to all those that have been following the construction of the Mosquito model for the recent lack of posts. Don't panic, the Mozzie project is still alive and well. The problem stems from moving house and my new workshop will not be up and running for a least a month. As soon as the workshop is nearing completion I will be adding new threads to the blog.

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02/21/2008 4:22 AM

Haha... I've been waiting 20 years.... MASU,Is it possible to buy this manual anywhere?

I have some links that may be interesting for all...

http://www.rawleaviation.demon.co.uk/page2.html

http://www.rafmuseumshop.com/epages/raf.storefront/47bd40ef000707ea27430a022f020552/Catalog/22

There are 3 DVDs re |Mossie, 633 Squadron,Mosquito at War and Men and Mosquitos.There are also two 'HAYNE's manuals ( famous for Car Manuals in the UK) - one is the Spit,the other the Lanc. Sadly, there are no plans to do the Mossie :(

I am also in touch with this guy in Canada about his Mossie...I have no details yet...Thanks for the offer of drawings.. yes please.

My background... Apprentice served Electronics at RAE Farnborough. 1966-71 and in electronics ever since.Now specialising in AVR processors.Looking at gizmos for R/C- glow control,retracts delays/design/sequencers etc and radio fishing buzzers.....

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02/21/2008 6:53 AM

Hi chartman,

Thanks' for the links.

My original background was control system engineering and scientific instrument making but I have spent a considerable amount of time working on larger (the ones that fill rooms) computer systems and digital communication systems.

One of the things I am toying with is the use of a micro-controller to do some of the work and therefore reduce the number of channels required to control the aircraft. For example you can control either the rudder or ailerons using a yaw detecting mechanism. Basically when an aircraft is in normal flight the air should be flowing across the aircraft parallel to the longitudinal axis of the aircraft. I you were to use this to control the rudder the yaw can be used to control the rudder so whenever you input an aileron input the rudder will keep the aircraft balanced automatically. You can also do it the other way by using rudder input to control the ailerons but obviously not at the same time.

You can also control the elevator using the airspeed. If the airspeed is too high then you raise the nose and vice versa. You then use the throttles to control your ascent or decent more power means up and less down.

That's a very simplified explanation and things like flaps etcetera can complicate things somewhat but you get the idea. You could fairly easily get rid of several control channels by sticking in a microcontroller.

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Masu!!

It is so good to hear from you!! I have thought about you off and on but have heard nothing from you here OR on CR4 or anywhere. I was beginning to worry that you might have died of terminal hangnail or something... or accidently have nailed yourself to your Mozzie.

Just for Charts information, I am not into modeling, but I am definitely a world war II buff. My Dad was a radio operator on a B29 during the war (which is also what led me into Electronics as a career). I am envious of Charts access to the RAF museum. Now if I could only convince the wife that we need to go to England on vacation. Oh and that is a beautiful pic of your Mozzie and I note the P51 behind it.

Anyhow, welcome back Masu!!

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02/21/2008 11:16 AM

Sadly, that's not my Mossie, it belongs to Norm Mclellan in Canada.It looks just stunning @ 1/8 scale.I will be getting info from him soon, hopefully. I have also managed to make contact with an RAF guy who has access to drawings from the Mosquito Museum. He didn't specify which one, but no doubt he will.I did find a link that has 6000 drawings of the Mossie, at a cost of £600, or £5 each.....

http://www.warbirdsrestoration.com/

I have the list in XLS format, but I can't attach it. pm me with your email address if you want it.

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Just watched the 'Men and Mosquitos' DVD, it's most excellent. It shows Tony Agar rebuilding the fuselage in his garage at home!!!! So it CAN be done.... I think he bought it for £7.....Lots of original war footage, ATA's, and back street woodwork shops making bits. How that fuselage was held together with just a couple of thin strips of ply is almost unbelievable....but true

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02/22/2008 12:44 AM

Most people looked at the Mozzie's timber construction as a step backwards but in effect it was actually a phenomenal leap forward by over30 years. The Mozzie and a couple of predecessors de Havilland built using the same technique were really the first composite constructions. It wasn't till the 1970 that the technique really took off (pun intended) when they started manufacturing gliders using composite materials. The only change was the use of glass reinforced plastics rather than wood. Actually wood has a structure that is not that different to carbon fiber.

Most gliders are now constructed from a foam core that is covered with a woven glass fiber sheet that is held together with an epoxy resin. They did use carbon fiber back in the 80s but it wasn't that good a material for a couple of reasons.

  • Gliders have phenomenally low coefficients of drag and most are true laminar flow aerofoils. With the carbon fiber you normally only have one layer of fiber cloth on each side of the foam core. If you damaged it, and gliders get damaged on a regular basis, you had to lay an additional sheet over the top of the damaged area. This left a bump or lump and could dramatically effect the glider coefficient of drag. To give you and idea of how critical the airflow on gliders, when you do the calculation for your final glide you need to check how many bugs have been splattered on the leading edge of the wings. As little as 50 bug splatters can wipe over 2% of your final glide out.
  • The other problem sounds a little strange but the carbon fiber reinforced structures had considerably less mass than the equivalent glass fiber reinforced structures. It a bit hard to get ones head around but the more mass a glider has the better the glide angle. A simple analogy would be throwing a rock and a screwed piece of paper that had the same shape at the same speed. As the rock is more massive than the paper it has a much greater total energy content. As a result the friction, which is the same for both, has relatively less effect on the rock than the paper. The end result is the rock goes further than the paper. With gliders they cheat somewhat by having ballast tanks in the wings that are filled with water. It takes them longer to gain height when thermalling but they can go further and travel faster between thermals. They also dump the water prior to landing as the less energy you have the faster you can decelerate and the shorter the landing roll. That means there really isn't any advantage to spending the extra money on the carbon fiber as you are just going to add more water to bring the weight back up to what it was with the heavier glass fiber construction.

Anyway, the Mozzie was really the first composite construction aircraft that went into large scale production and it has taken some 60 years for the likes of Boeing with their B-787 and Airbus with there A-380 to catch up and use composite construction techniques to the same extent as the Mozzie.

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02/22/2008 6:43 AM

Hi, Masu!

Just by way of elephantizing your mouse:

"A simple analogy would be throwing a rock and a screwed piece of paper that had the same shape at the same speed. As the rock is more massive than the paper it has a much greater total energy content. As a result the friction, which is the same for both, has relatively less effect on the rock than the paper."

Of course, I understand the point you are making, and it's well-taken. Just the analogy is unfair to the scrunched-up piece of paper whose slower air speed and shorter distance, while in part due to the mass of the paper/rock & resulting inertial forces, is not in the main due to the compartive co -of -f between rock and paper.

Drag on the paper is because it is scrunched up and presents all kinds of surfaces for f resistance - an unbalanced comparison.

Make the paper into a solid ball and throw it, and they would both go a fair distance when the co-of-f then would depend on the surface roughness as well as the mass (still not the same), but at least the paper would stand a fairer test --unless you first create a great flat thin sheet of rock, scrunch it up, and throw them together... and the analogy would still hold.

But I haven't interacted with you for a while, so I just indulged in a wee bit of fun with this elephantizing...

AND Congrats on the new house. Lovely!

Mark





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02/23/2008 10:24 AM

G'day Mark,

I just managed to dig up the manual for the Discus glider as in the image below.

The Discus design is over 20 years old now but they are a phenomenally slippery glider with the absolute best balance and feel I have ever come across. The only thing that's a bit tricky is how quiet it is and there is little change in the background noise over the range of VS to VNE. It's slipperiness also means that the change in attitude between VS and VNE is considerably less than most similar 15 metre gliders.

It also carries water ballast so if anybody is interested enough would you like me to go through the exercise of showing the difference between a glide with ballast and one without?

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02/23/2008 12:05 PM

Yes to your questions and to what image were you referring or am I blind?

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02/24/2008 2:38 PM

Sorry folks, for some reason the image didn't work, so lets hope it's second time lucky.

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02/25/2008 6:50 AM

Beautiful!!

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03/03/2008 6:54 AM

It's just my opinion but to me the modern fiber reinforced epoxy gliders would have to be close to the most majestic machines of all time. I'm sure Leonardo da Vinci would be proud to have his name on something as graceful looking as the Discus series of gliders.

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02/23/2008 12:42 PM

I am curious too... Is this a sailplane which flies like a frisbee?

Bill

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