Future Fighters

Well add suits, take out the soldiers, and put him at a remote operations base = war robots. The same tech can be used in many autonomous vehicles that can be tasked to go to a point and once there the human can operate them remotely. Of course a good control path is needed so the enemy cannot jam or take over your war bots.

right now they have small cam robots that are used to inspect bombs etc. You can easily add a gun with a 100 bullets and a cam target, so it can shot on command. It can also tun on infrared or night vision.

Another 10 years and these things will be in full flower.

watch the movie "Aliens." A walking forklift that uses "Waldoes" to amplify the strength of motion of a human operator is a powerful dream first proposed (I think) by Robert Heinlein in his novella Waldo (hence the name, still in use today, for "waldoes.") But there is no reason for a carbon-based operator to be in the field at all once you have the servos and telemetering necessary to create a man-operated unit. Volunteers could fight wars from their garages or living rooms, their intentions and/or movements being transmitted to the robots in the field and carried out as if by the soldier. There has to be a convenient source of large amounts of electrical power--a big battery or collection of thermocouples or something else. This is really the obstacle. How to put that much energy into the field, but in a way that can't be exploited by a canny enemy who might figure out a way to take the robot hostage, use its power plant to counter attack, or subvert the robot to fight for his side. This might represent an additional arms race--new and better ways to recognize whether one of your fellow robots is actually operating for the other side along with new and better ways to sneak past these.

As a mennonite, I'd prefer to have an arms race in which we and an enemy compete to make people more peaceful and to live happily and comfortably. We could compete in providing education and employment opportunities for the civilians in a nation, for example, and eliminate barriers to migration so that people could vote with their feet by moving easily (for example) from East Berlin to West Berlin or North Korea to South Korea. Or vice-versa, of course. There was a lot to be said for the cold war. It involved a real arms race, but a lot of the effort went into education, employment, economic progress, and currying friends and converting enemies. It's only when the cold war broke out into gunfire that it became a negative.

In the wild an unprotected herbivore = lunch.

Extreme religious groups that are peace based can only exist within a protected zone enforced by arms.

While we may like the concept, it can never achieve or maintain dominance, it would be eaten.

The dictum, 'if you want peace, then prepare for war' is as true now as when it was first uttered.

So any peace based society must be strong enough to stop any predators. It can be peaceful, and never attack a soul, but be safe from any opportunistic attacker, like Switzerland....which is very well defended but has not attacked anyone in living memory

what I outlined was the status quo during the "cold war," not the philosophy of an extreme religious group--though in fact, the philosophy in question is called Christianity, one of the largest extreme relgious groups in the world. Turn the other cheek, etc. The cold war proved that we could compete on other fields besides the battle field--in conquest of space, in the arts, in generating PhD's, creative thinking, efficiency, and so forth. Firing a projectile at another person standing at the far end of an open meadow doesn't prove much or advance the species or help poor kids get fed or healed. I'm sure elephants, rhinos, and hippos will be surprised to discover that they're on the menu for lunch. Come to think of it, according to your analogy, Canada would be lunch, too. Bon apetit!

yes, indeed, Canada, Australia = lunch.

The USA/UK/France had nukes. IMHO the only thing that stopped the soviets.

Thus they were forced to compete, and failed.

Hope you realise Australian Urainum is powering your beloved Nucs.... unless your stealling from the afirca as was the case for WW2 nukes, anyone can build the bomb, just a matter are they willing for WW3. America only thinks it is the light in reality it is the only nation to use such a weapon .. the real point is then ... the russian and chinesse keeps the yanks in line...

Christianity is the largest extreme religious groups??? When was the last time you heard the church ordering it's followers to kill all infidels, preaching that christianity is the only true religion or instructing children to strap on explosives to kill the non-believers? ISLAM is the ultimate extreme religion - the pinnacle of intolerance which wants every other religion destroyed. Open your eyes and ears before they slit your throat.

islam is very resistant to reformation. The need to pray in public 5 times/day is very coercive. Even the rich have to employ a cleric to live in their home to monitor their observance.

The waste of time on religious claptrap has taken the islamic countries from being leaders in science/mathematics/philosophy to being backward in the extreme.

The main reason Israel has been able to hold out against an enemy that has 100 times the population is the ability of all the Israeli soldiers to read and implement complex technical tasks, read manuals etc., for the latest weapons systems.

Human wave methods first failed during the Korean war, where UN soldiers could shoot down advancing human waves faster than they could advance.

This means the Israelis never faced armies with anything like their ability.

Most islamic people tolerate the fanatics in their midst out of fear of personal attack. The whole fanatical wing of the religion seems to be organized along the lines of a street gang, with low level enforcers all the way up. We see this with the taleban, just bullying and the people are so meekified to follow religious orders they allow it.

Now, how can the tolerant true believers of Islam gain the ascendancy over these fanatics?? That is the problem we will face over the next 100 years.

"eliminate barriers to migration so that people could vote with their feet by moving easily (for example) from East Berlin to West Berlin or North Korea to South Korea...

People in Central America are currently voting with their feet in crossing illegally immigrating into the US, and it is causing major problems in the US economy. It would seem that a world of peace where everyone can move around as they see fit may result in more wars not less as people struggle to get more of the "good life".

"People in Central America are currently voting with their feet in crossing illegally immigrating into the US, and it is causing major problems in the US economy"

i totaly disagree with this statement. i live in california, the state with the largest illegal immigration in the US. it is not affecting our economy except to the better.

they come to this country dirt poor. they work hard. they are persecuted by elitists because the politicians are using them as a whiping boy. it is just like when the nazi's blamed all of their woes on the jews. our problems are not caused by illegal immigration. out problems are caused by politicians with their hand in our pockets. then saying, don't look in your pocket, your problems are caused by the illegal immigrants. and the sheep believe them. it is BS on the grandest scale. it is just like nazi propaganda. the bigger the lie, told often enough, and it becomes true to the sheep.

the truth is that the first generation, are dirt poor, work hard, raise chiildren well. just like all immigrants, they buy houses, cars, pay taxes, contribute to the economy.

i believe that the only illegal immigration is due to a bad law. change the law and they are legal immigrants. same people, same lives. overreacting to and overenforcement of bad laws is the only criminal act here. remember "All people are born with inalieable rights" that means god given, not politician givin, or law given. it doesn't mean just people born in the united states. it means all of humanity.

just try to imagine what the US would be like, without immigration.

also, a note for the other side. the american indians, didn't do well with immigration.

I, too, live in Cali and I understand the term ILLEGAL as meaning against the law and that these people that come here are coming HERE against the law and that maybe if they wanted a better life they could try to go through the legal means (Of course, I will seem to be a racist but I am married to a Spanish woman and was in Meico for Christmas eve at my in-laws). I also know that it takes money for these people to do the proper immigration proceedings (greencard,citizenship). I also know that (being a Union Electrician) they come up to the U.S. and help the Corporate Agenda to drive down wages.

Here in southern Arizona, "ILLEGAL" immigration's result is crystal clear. Prison overcrowding, hospital emergency rooms closing, public schools running out of money, higher taxes, lower wages,ecological disaster in the desert, car insurance rates skyrocketing, all of which I have to pay for. Most, don't pay taxes , send their money home (billions of dollars a year), don't want to learn English and assimilate and are not looking to achieve the American dream, they want to create a " third world" economy here, make lot's of babies and take back the Southwest for "LaRaza". I am no "elitist", I work in the concrete business as maybe 1 of 10 white people in the company, everyone else is Hispanic,legal and my friends. They do not want the flood of cheap labor coming across the border either. And speaking of the border, we do not know who is crossing and why, remember 911, they were not here legally. What about the prayer rugs and Koran's that have been found in the mountains of trash they leave in the desert?

Hey, wanna see something that they are teaching our kids in schools here in Cali? Look up Mecha. It is a group for chicanos that teach kids that 'Aztlan' (the western 13 states in our country) should be taken back and assimilated back into Mexico and that the white man should be kicked out of these states. You live in a right to work state, huh? How is the union presence there? Pretty weak?

I think right to work is better than organized bullying and the economic decline that comes from overly strong organized labor.

Didn't say anything was wrong with a right to work state, it was simply a question. I know however that I am making approx. 10 - 15 dollars more an hour than my non-union brothers in the trade and that I have a full medical package on top of my wages and a retirement package (there is even an annuity in there that I can sign up for). I only have to provide the basic working tools to work (not power tools, ladders, trucks or anything else for that matter) - just the gray matter above my head and my bucket of tools. Oh, and ability to get the job done...

In time the union shops will lose jobs to the non union shops.

Often the unions allow the loss of residential jobs and try to maintain solidarity with interlocking unions, the crane unions being most important in this

NO BORDER, NO ORDER, NO COUNTRY!

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Well, yes people did die when Clinton lied... He was lying while the Kosovo/Serbia thing was going on (think of a certain young intern putting a cigar in the wrong opening and oral) and his denial during this time. People died to cover up their (the Pres and her husband ooooops I am mean the Pres and his wife) scandal in the form of Whitewater...

When you compare the cost of robots with the amount of money it would cost to convince a person in the third world to fight for you if he or she can earn citizenship at the end of the enlistment, they are wildly out of proportion to one another. You can find, train, and kill a human for a tiny fraction of the cost of a robot to replace him. Probably research into robots will continue with an eye to eliminating labor costs, but I expect that for the immediate future, we'll be able to find enough humans to fight our wars. Currently, we're counting on the lower classes in the US to perform this function, but there are literally billions of potential mercenaries we could employ, if our pool of impoverished youth dries up or gets smart enough to avoid military service. I see our military future going toward civilian mercenaries, like the French Foreign Legion, in the style of Blackwater and other US-employed mercenaries--people who live to kill. Pay them handsomely (relative to their local economy, of course), set them up in a status that exists outside the law (so no one can ever charge them with murder, theft, or rape) and they'll fight to the death for you.

Typical US ideals.. why do you lot even want wars look at what you are saying .. You want people to kill for your beloved state then you want to invite those same killers in, this is madness. US reine of terror is ending, the world is saying enough, 300 million can not forever rule, Best you begin to learn chinesse and the words sorry.

Nay, nay say it isn't true. I don't like the idea of eating rice as a main stay of my diet, or the idea of saying sorry to any other country for that matter. Why should anyone in the U.S. apologize to any other country? It would have to be our damn government that should issue any verbage on that front, but still I do not think that is necessary. The bad guy here is big business, the corporate giant and the people in government that are allowing this "globilization" to happen the way it is... It sounds like you are from the east, if you are, then thank your government. It is as corrupt as Wal-mart, Mattel and the rest of these companies, corporations and what not are that they allow to set up shop. Allow them to run sweat shops and cause problems for the people that work in these sweat shops, that are exploited and treated like dogs. I am not to blame for this, nor is my family, it is all about big money whatever the form of currency may be.

300 million don't want to rule the world. 300 million (or however many there were in the last census) live in the United States of America, yes - enjoy being in a country that is being manipulated by forces outside of the goverment towards a different outlook. More of a social environment... Not what we need in this Great Country of Mine/Ours. The corpoate agenda needs to be taken out with the trash. Foreign nationals fighting in our service like a foreign legion? For immigration? Nationalization? Hmmmmmmmmmmm, don't think that is right... But if they want to come and enjoy this country and all it has to offer then maybe that would be the best way for them to do it, instead of doing it illegally. It should be limited of course. If you have such a distain for My Country, maybe you shoud come and see what us, as Americans, are really about and stop believing the propaganda machines that run the news ALL AROUND THIS WORLD OF OURS. No, don't want to come and see what my Country is all about? Afraid, it might be too enjoyable? Might have to re-think your slanted views? Then feel (by all means) free to crawl back into your hole in the wall and contniue to be the hater that you seem to be.

World domination is basically dead in todays society. The exoskeletons are a great idea, yet force someone to be in a position of death... Or possible death. If we are to save ourselves and others from any catastrophes everyone needs to go ONLINE. Wars should be fought online via tournaments. Weekly tournaments. That would bring any governing body to its knees at any point in time, because the facts are in... No one country is right about their way of living. And MONEY is the root of top dog evil. A war in this manner could put peace in the lives of every man woman and child who has a loved one being shot at for the stupidest of reasons. And worse yet, some are coming home with chemical mutations they don't even know about.

Sure a stroll around in a bionical suit would thrill the hell out of me. But the idea of shooting someone elses kid just because someone who thinks they are higher up on the totem pole tells me to is just about the dumbest thing ever. Wars are never fought over right and wrong. That is the cover story that we civilians get to hear about.

The spin doctors are just giving the tax payers a reason to believe they are getting their moneys worth. Meanwhile, back at the bat cave, they are scheming up ways of getting more out of every one else that they can.

So I don't see any reaon why the money should be put into such a fruitless effort. Eventually, every suit would be destroyed. Time, money and lives following suit.

Thank You... Send the politicians to do the fighting, huh? That would be a funny thing to see... Newt, Teddy Kennedy and All of those fat, rich, Old men and women doing what it is that they are expecting the younger generations of Americans to do.

Exactly... Since those chickensh!t bastaches won't go out there and do it for real... Why not put em on the front line in a halo battle and see what turns up. Even better yet... Put em up against the people they say they are working for.

I know, why don't all of the heads of state settle their differences by wearing sumo gear and getting into the ring and seeing who is the best that way? I think All of the people of this world of ours would get a kick out of that. I didn't really see the movie called farenheit 911 but I remember one scene when Michael Moore goes to capitol hill to ask different senators and congress men/women if they were going to send their kids over seas to fight in the war. The reactions were funny. Future FIghters? Why not take up the creed of the Vulcans? Live long and prosper? I guess it is in human nature to need to battle over something or another. sometimes it gets Soooooo, so sickening ......

I haven't seen that movie but that moment there would end up as a classic in my book. Anyways... The funny thing is that these jerks think that they are doing the world a favor by running our lives... Meanwhile, everyone is actually worried about what they are going to f#$k up next.