The Thinning

Change the plea to fighting pollution and abuse and I (and a lot of CR4'rs ) will join in the struggle.

Why only concentrate on CO2 etc?

Each and every one should have a look around him and fight, cure and prevent the pollution at hand. But I can tell you it is hard because talking about global warming requires less effort.

In SA we are dumping raw sewage into rivers because we don't have adequate water care facilities and the population is growing out of proportions. The Government don't do anything about it because they have agreed not to be hard on local government. Poor poor us.

What can we do?

Cut down on the population - not likely.

Increase the water care works - Local government don't have money (They waste it on xxxx like name changes etc)

My solution : Make the dirty water available to farmers for the production of any suitable crops (Including crops for the production of biofuels). The farmers can even be subsidized with the savings in water care.

I think a lot of good can be achieved.

When was the photo taken?

If it was taken in summer, would it not be be natural?

First, a solid disclaimer is necessary: the poster's hearth appears to be in the right place, but lack of knowledge and empirical verification sways judgement. So it is not personal at all, but the text is written for dissection.

"There is a perception that global warming is a cyclical event...". Yeah, plenty of cyclicals are out there, like the Great Southern Oscillation, the (newly discovered) south / north oscillation, the solar cycles, the Milankovitch cycles etc. Yeah, the world is loaded with cycles upon cycles.

"so we are damned if we do, damned if we dont". Sez who? Do I supposed to think, that I have any effect on the Sun, or any of the other cycles?!?

"Problem is when that cycle is unnaturally hyper accelerated". Sez who again. It strikes me, the only hyper here is of the writers anxiety. Not exactly the right position to pass judgement, nor supported by present science. If any of the cycles in the past would have done that, we would be living on Venus or Pluto by now.

"Ecosystems cant adapt and mass extinctions occur". Yes and yes. Earth's history is loaded with both of those. In the past, in the present, in the future. We can save species, but that is a human indulgence we allow ourselves.

All the above is NOT a prescription for callous disregard. Rather it is a request for the acceptance of the reality, before attempting change. Otherwise it is just hubris (imagining ourselves having godlike powers). No good can come from that. Allowing ourselves being guilt ridden (what for?) clouds our mind with predictable outcomes.

look at this was posted weeks ago.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/071213-greenland-magma.html

The main cause of intermittent heating/cooling cycles on this planet is caused by solar radiation.

There is very little we can do to alter this, without putting a set of louvre blinds between us and the sun, during a period of greater solar output, and a large mirror to reflect extra heat onto the planet during a lower solar output period.

Now as we should realise, neither of those options are going to be easily implemented.

Back in 1422, the Arctic icepack was so depleted, due to a high solar output cycle, that a Chinese Admiral, Zhou Wen, sailed around Greenland, Iceland, and back to China north of what used to be the Soviet Union.

If all the ice stored in the Arctic, Antarctica, Andes, Alps, Himalayas, Greenland, Alaska, Southern Alps etc melted, it would add some 20 millimetres to the sea level height - If you do the calculations, you will find that figure is correct, within a millimetre or two, because ice occupies more space than the water it becomes, when it melts.

Kind Regards....