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Combating Combustible Dust

Posted March 31, 2008 8:28 AM

The recent devastating explosion and fire at the Imperial Sugar Company in Savannah, Georgia has raised everyone's consciousness about the potential dangers of combustible dust. The U.S. Chemical Safety Board is conducting an in-depth investigation along with the Occupational Safety & Health Administration (OSHA) into recent events. However, both agencies have been following this dangerous phenomenon for several years, documenting incidences where powders and dusts have contributed to safety problems in industries as diverse as a pharmaceutical manufacturer to an automobile wheel plant. How is your facility migitating these dangers?

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03/31/2008 10:40 AM

Those types of dangers have always existed. And when maintenance becomes strained or relaxed it invites these problems until an incident occurs.

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03/31/2008 5:18 PM

This has always been a problem and is one that the farming community has been aware of for centuries. Dust from grain blown into silos or elevators. Dust from hay and straw in barns. All are very combustible.

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03/31/2008 5:32 PM

The simple answer, as it has been pointed out is maintainable cleaning of the facility.

When running several shifts this becomes difficult, and the health and safety issues of cleaning dust while machinery is operating is problematical at best. The solution is really quite simple, but I am not giving anything away. It's one of those 'out of the box' things.

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04/01/2008 2:25 PM

I remember from my childhood, some 30 years ago, that the factory where my dad worked blew up.

At first they blamed the solvents they used as it was a gravure printing place where they printed news papers and such but after the inspection it was a combination of paper dust and pigeon shit.

This latest incident does not make anybody aware of this problem except of the ones involved. Humans have a build in inability to learn from past mistakes.

That is a new thread I think

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04/01/2008 2:37 PM

Your comment;

combination of paper dust and pigeon shit.

I believe pigeon sh#$ is high in potassium (K),.....guess what they use K for.

I will never call myself an expert pigeon sh#$, but when I grew up on a farm, being the youngest, I worked in it opening up silos and setting up silo unloaders.

My brothers were lucky I did not know about child labor laws.

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04/01/2008 3:26 PM

I realise that salpeter is used in gunpowder and in particular the black gunpowder. I don't think that it is naturally produced from pigeon shit as first most the Kalium content is too low, and secondly the Kalium binds to easily with other elements before becoming salpeter. Kalium itself is very electro negative so it is notoriously difficult to extract from it's natural forms.

What was given as the most likely cause of the accident was the mixture of dried up pigeon shit, very dusty when dry, and building up paper dust from the in house mills. This dust can reach concentrations that would be considered explosive even if there are no combustible materials involved.

Strange thing, dust!

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04/01/2008 3:38 PM

MY MISTAKE, not potassium rich, its nitrogen rich, among other things.

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04/01/2008 3:53 PM

Maybe that is worse:

The more standard oxides, dinitrogen trioxide N2O3 and dinitrogen pentoxide N2O5, are actually fairly unstable and explosive-- a tendency which is driven by the stability of N2 as a product. The corresponding acids are nitrous HNO2 and nitric acid HNO3, with the corresponding salts called nitrites and nitrates. Dinitrogen tetroxide N2O4 (DTO) is one of the most important oxidisers of rocket fuels, used to oxidise hydrazine in the Titan rocket and in the recent NASA MESSENGER probe to Mercury. DTO is an intermediate in the manufacture of nitric acid HNO3, one of the few acids stronger than hydronium and a fairly strong oxidizing agent.

In other words part of rocket fuel! Now that will cause a bang and a half

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04/01/2008 4:06 PM

case491,

WOW......was that just some by the way chit chat you were doing. I'm impressed.

I can understand some of it, as far as the oxidizers but I'm am not smart enough to verify it.

A new energy source. And a new problem to global warming....or cooling...or something

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04/01/2008 4:35 PM

Pssst....ever heard of wikipedia?

I have done degree level chemistry but that was before I decided to go into proper engineering I like to see things move so when they break you know why

Chemistry failures are more difficult, one big KABOOM and you are left wondering.

Did you know that pigeon shit can contain very deadly virusses for humans? Really true, stay away from the stuff.

I lived in London up to 10 years ago and around our area there were several high rise tower blocks. Some attracted squatters when the flats went empty so once evicted the new tenents were often left with a big clean up job. In this case the pigeons had moved on the balcony and heaped a lot of the shit up in the corners. The woman of the house decided to sweep it up with hand brush and dust pan. 2 weeks later she died in hospital from unexplained respiratory problems. They traced the virus back to the pigeon shit. The council became instantly responsible for the cleaning up of ex squatties.

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04/01/2008 5:03 PM

They are carriers 27 varieties of viruses. Thats why they made the little brother set up the silo unloaders, I can't stand them, even on TV when I see New Yorkers feeding pigeons in the park, makes me want to kick them and then the pigeons.

your comment,

The woman of the house decided to sweep it up with hand brush and dust pan. 2 weeks later she died in hospital from unexplained respiratory problems.

After I got the silo unloaders setup and running, I had a cough, my parents asked what I got into, I told them, Brothers caught hell for letting a 12 year old do that.

Felt bad for them, I would have done the same, but my parents ran out of little brothers.

As far as chemistry, I had learned basics in college, but most by designing Reverse Osmosis and Ultra-Filtration units, Need to know what was going on when membranes were loading up prematurely.

good info you had though, still impressed.

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04/02/2008 12:13 AM

Flying rats/Pigeons carry 61 known human pathogen vectors. Make cockroaches look respectable, er maybe NOT!

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04/02/2008 11:58 AM

Pigeons can't suddenly appear from the crack between your kitchen worktop and the wall.

People still sit on their terraced dining table in the middle of summer on some busy pigeon infested square as long as the sun is out. If only one cockroach would pass over the square in sight of any of the customers, all other customers would instantly dissappear with them and all screaming and kicking up a fuss.

In the world of vermin, pigeons will never beat cockroaches even though nobody has died from cockroach droppings...and never will.

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04/02/2008 12:00 PM

still hate them, as far as the cockroaches are concerned, they'll end up outliving humanity.

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04/15/2008 11:10 AM

Using 'walnut shell' media is one possability. Whatever the application, walnut shell is all natural, DUST FREE, biodegradable and non-toxic. It's worth a try ... if it suits your job. You can contact Rebecca @ Eco-Shell, Inc. www.ecoshell.com for which ever mesh/grit or powder sizes you need.

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