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Parking Meters Spark Debate

Posted April 02, 2008 8:14 AM

Using a mobile parking camera is one of the things that Washington, D.C.'s Department of Public Works is testing in an attempt to curb parking meter violations. Parking enforcers would use a vehicle equipped with cameras, lasers, and a global positioning dome that would record license plate numbers. A second sweep would reveal cars in violation. This same technology could help find stolen cars. The ACLU, however, worries that the technology could infringe on people's rights. Should law enforcement use vehicle plate reading technology for other purposes?

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04/02/2008 4:36 PM

<"Should law enforcement use vehicle plate reading technology for other purposes?">

Law enforcement, and others, use this system already.

An interesting fact is that under Common Law, in the colonies of England, which includes the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, you do not have to register your car. (Vehicle yes, Car no)

Common Law gives you the right to travel, without let or hindrance, on the King's or Queen's Highway.

This means you can use your own self-manufactured "number plate" should you wish.

Remember that all this "Registration" of your car, gives title to the King or Queen, that's why the car may be taken from you, if you break Statute Law.

District (= Distressed for Debt) Courts are a creation of Statute, and exist to enforce Statutes (Admiralty Law), while the High Court is able to deal with Common Law.

You think I jest, no doubt.

You were Registered at birth, were you not?

Most folks were, and that Registration (Regis = Sovereign) thus gave the child to be the property of the King or Queen.

After all, you need a Passport to travel internationally, don't you?

The Passport, gives your fictional Strawman (The fictional Entity created at Birth Registration) permission to travel as a vessel, to literally "Pass the Port" - whether Airport, Seaport or other Port.

But, you say, I live in the US, so that does not apply to me, we are definitely not governed by the laws of England.

Yes you are, the UNITED STATES is a Bankrupt Corporation, owned by the Federal Reserve Bank, a totally private Bank, which controls the "Money Supply" (Really Debt supply), and the Federal Reserve Bank is owned by "THE CROWN" - THE CORPORATION OF THE CITY OF LONDON.

So there, you have now learned some new things, go and research the subject further, like others and myself have done.

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04/02/2008 7:26 PM

April Fool's Day was yesterday...

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04/03/2008 6:22 AM

Hello pantaz

What I said was the truth, not a joke.

I suppose you felt your "comfortable boat rocked a bit".

As I said, should you wish, do your own research, you should arrive at similar conclusions.

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04/03/2008 6:57 PM

"As I said, should you wish, do your own research, you should arrive at similar conclusions."

I know this is way off topic, but I feel compelled to respond publicly:

I. "An interesting fact is that under Common Law, in the colonies of England, which includes the US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, you do not have to register your car. (Vehicle yes, Car no)"

a. The United States was never a colony of England/Great Britain. The former thirteen colonies were officially recognized in the Paris Peace Treaty of 1783(1) as free and independent states, establishing their new status as a sovereign United States of America.
b. Canada's history is more difficult to lay out, but most recently, The Canada Act 1982(2) severed all legislative dependence on the United Kingdom.
c. Australia and New Zealand are Dominions(3)(4), and are self-governing.
d. I do not understand your differentiation of "car" versus "vehicle", in the context of a car being an automobile. (I am not a legal expert, therefore I can not debate the obscure minutiae of legalese. I try to rely on common sense interpretations of law and its effect on me.)

II. "This means you can use your own self-manufactured 'number plate' should you wish."

I believe you are buying into the Australian UPMART scheme of Common Law Vehicle Registration. (UPMART is an acronym which changes according to the issue at hand. (See http://www.upmart.org/#UPMART-MEANINGS)
Regardless of your belief in this "movement", anyone planning the use UPMART's information needs to read the disclaimer posted on their site -- "The initiatives advanced by persons associated with UPMART are based on the opinions of some members of UPMART who are not legally qualified. Some of these initiatives, such as UPMARTS Common Law Drivers Licence or Common Law Vehicle Registration are in conflict with Victorian laws and the laws of other States and Territories and may expose persons participating in them to be prosecuted under the laws of a State or Territory."

III. "... 'Registration' of your car, gives title to the King or Queen ..."
"... that Registration (Regis = Sovereign) thus gave the child to be the property of the King ..."
"... UNITED STATES is a Bankrupt Corporation ...
"... Federal Reserve Bank is owned by 'THE CROWN' ..."

This all appears to fall under the umbrella of "New World Order" rhetoric. I have read numerous treatise ad nauseam, and I do not agree with those beliefs. Therefore, I rather doubt you and I will find any common ground on the subject.

Now, how you progressed from parking enforcement cameras reading license plates, to birth registration, to the Federal Reserve boggles the mind!

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1 The Paris Peace Treaty of 1783 http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/paris/
2 The Canada Act 1982 http://www.canadiana.org/citm/_textpopups/constitution/canada_act_e.html
3 "Dominions were fully independent countries after the 1931 Statute of Westminster, although their Head of State continued to be the British sovereign."
http://www.britishempire.co.uk/timeline/colonies.htm
4 Dominions of the British Empire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion

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04/03/2008 5:50 PM

No one owns the federal reserve bank of the USA. All board member are nominated by the executive branch of our government. Voted in by congress. All foreign banks can become members of branch banks. And in this they must buy stock. But no matter the percentage of stock owned they only get one vote. The only thing that the Crown owns is the paper their currency is printed on that the federal reserve holds to control fluxuation in the market exchange rate on the US dollar.

The Federal Reserve bank is a private bank with in the US Government.

The reason that the word vehicle is used in law governing state road use is that it covers all modes of transportation. I consider a car a vehicle so yes it must be registered if I intend to use it on state roads.

At birth I did not sign anything even if i could it would be non binding in that I did not have the mental state to understand what I signed. So I did not register myself. The only people that I was given to was my parents. The birth certificate says they are but hospitals due make mistakes. So far that seems like the hospital got it right. Its too late on that I'm 53. If anyone signed anything as in the definition you have given for a registry making me property of the state. I got a whole lot of ancestors rolling in their graves. Who fought to end slavery and abolish the ownership of people.

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04/03/2008 4:54 AM

The UK law has been changed in the last couple of weeks so that parking tickets can now be issued based on CCTV images alone. Previously a parking warden had to physically attach a ticket to your car so, even if you were caught, if you moved your car quickly enough you could escape the fine. Now the fine arrives in the post & you have no idea that you've committed the offence. I've already heard of 1 person receiving a fine based on CCTV footage showing them waiting in a no parking stretch of road when they were simply giving way to a large vehicle that was approaching.

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04/03/2008 7:55 AM

I think the ACLU gets their knickers in a knot any time they think about "rights." If you look at this system it's just a way to automate a process with a human still at the controls, so events where somebody gets a ticket in the mail just because they pulled over to let a big vehicle through shouldn't happen.

I would view this system as just an efficiency improvement rather than an intrusion such as a speed camera or red light camera, which are fully automated and run by for-profit companies who make money by handing out tickets.

Of course as Sparks has pointed out driving and car registration are a priviledge, not a right. So aside from the right to face your accuser in court you don't have a leg (or tire) to stand on.

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04/03/2008 8:20 AM

I agree that you still have the right to face your accuser in court but how do you prepare a defence for an infringement that you didn't know you had committed? Whether you were in the right or wrong you may only have the vaguest memory of the event by the time your notice of prosecution arrives. How many people could recall every time they had to stop in the road for oncoming traffic in the past couple of weeks.

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04/03/2008 8:38 AM

Of course they don't and quite possibly you can't. Especially for what would seem an inconsequential infringement or no infringement. Hillary Clinton remembers that she was under fire in Bosnia. I don't remember going through a red light. Like any human endeavour the court system isn't perfect. I think right after we fix that we can solve world hunger.

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The system is not perfect but I don't think we should make it worse.

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04/03/2008 9:01 AM

I agree that what they are doing in Britain is going to make it worse. I don't think the DC system for parking tickets is going to do the same. But this is what happens when you give a bureaucrat power.

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04/07/2008 12:54 PM

I will confess before I begin that this is a somewhat less than targeted response to the "use of technology" question but is it just me or are there any other "techno-geeks" like myself out there who revel in the possible applications but cannot help reflecting on the Orwellian trends (1984) that are emerging here.

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04/08/2008 4:34 AM

It's an old story, developments are made because someone sees a particular use for them but the authorities see a way of generating cash. The Gatso camera came about to speed test rally cars & look what happened to that. The humble cats eye road marker is a real life saver but units have been made incorporating cameras to catch unwary motorists who are always seen as an easy target.

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04/09/2008 4:06 PM

ONLY OTHER violations..

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parking the rednecks

04/10/2008 8:51 AM

The town of Georgetown, Texas (pop appx 8000) has increased the parking fine to $500 for the 3rd violation.

And there are no strip clubs in Georgetown. And it is in infamous Williamson County.

It's odd to have the rednecks all around me

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