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Is a shuttle rescue mission worth it?

Posted June 19, 2008 8:56 AM

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Over at Nature, Zeeya Merali (a former AAAS Media Fellow here at Sci Am) has an interesting description of plans to keep the Endeavour shuttle on standby in case something goes wrong with Atlantis during the Hubble servicing mission this fall. I think it's worth asking two hard questions. First, is the cost of preparing a rescue mission justified by the likelihood (estimated at one in 400) of its happening? Second, would the cost of such a mission, if it came to pass, be justified?

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06/19/2008 9:44 AM

Why waste money on a rescue? Let's just watch them slowly die on TV. Good Morning America can cover it live - "Tell, me Astronaut Jones, how does it feel knowing that you'll never see your family again? We have your daughter here in the studio - is there anything you'd like to say to her? We'll be right back after this word from our friends at AFLAC."

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06/20/2008 6:03 AM

Hmmmmmm.......

Is that how the Appollo 13 mission was viewed over there (note that BBC1 and BBC2 carry no commercial advertising)? The whole country (and maybe much of the rest of the World) held its breath and hoped for the best.

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06/20/2008 8:03 AM

That's American sarcasm he was using.

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06/20/2008 9:23 AM

That was in the good old days of three TV networks, before the 24/7 news cycle and the internet.

Americans have never had to sit and watch our heroes die the slow death of asphyxiation. So far, when our astronauts have died, it's been in an instant. The closest we've come is some of our mine accidents - the difference being there's no communication with dying miners communication.

Ironically, when news reports of the Apollo 13 explosion broke into American TV broadcasts, the networks were inundated with complaints. People resented missing their shows. The show most people were upset about missing? - Lost in Space.

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06/20/2008 11:42 AM

Grissom, White, and Chaffee didn't die in an instant. Being consumed by fire isn't pleasant.

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06/20/2008 1:52 PM

Well, technically neither did either of the other crews. But they died instantly in terms of news cycle time. There was no agonizing days long process of dying in the public eye.

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06/20/2008 6:39 PM

I don't recall the event as i was a little kid.

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06/22/2008 12:11 AM

Unfortunately the description of what they died in, was an "Oxygen Bomb".

Whistles were about to be blown by some astronauts on the recent NASA scams, and this was an easy way out, to get rid of the troublemakers.

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06/21/2008 2:46 PM

Ironically, when news reports of the Apollo 13 explosion broke into American TV broadcasts, the networks were inundated with complaints. People resented missing their shows. The show most people were upset about missing? - Lost in Space.

Personally, the only time I was infuriated with new coverage of a major event was during the "chase scene" for O. J. Simpson.

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06/19/2008 11:14 AM

Do you have a daughter? Would you be willing to gamble on 400 to 1 odds on her life?

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06/19/2008 11:27 AM

From a $ / life perspective - who knows? Plus there's a certain amount of acceptable risk that crewmembers & their families must be well aware of.

But from a NASA Public Relations perspective - of course! The whole world would stop and watch. You just can't buy that kind of global human attention-grabbing (the Iraq war excepted, of course!). NASA is still wallowing around gleefully in the whole Apollo 13 miricle mission hype. And the drama would kind of detract from the unpleasant "the sucky ship design broke again" aspect - even if the rescue mission was a failure.

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06/19/2008 11:37 AM

Yes. A rescue attempt is always worthwhile. It is only in adversity, when we battle against the odds that we achieve the best that we can be.

This alone makes it worthwhile.

For too long the bean counters and the cost benefit analysts have held sway in our society. This leads to stagnation and decadence.

Space travel is inherently dangerous, this has been brought home to us more often than we would like to think of; too many of the best and brightest have died in the quest for space. Was it worth it? I would say yes. By continuing the effort to push mankind into space we show ourselves to be worthy of our place in the universe and we honour the memories of those who paid the ultimate price for our ambition.

Does this mean we should be blase about the risks? No. We should always take all the precautions we can, not just those we can afford.

Engineer out all risk that you can, take every precaution and safeguard. Then accept the chances and "kick the tires and light the fires" and get on with it.

I have family. If any one of them were to be involved in the space industry of course I would worry about them, just as they would worry about me if the situation were reversed. But this is the most important single effort in the history of the human race; the spreading of humanity beyond the frail confines of our planet and it must continue.

In order to do this we need to do everything that we can and take risks as and when we cannot avoid them.

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06/22/2008 12:15 AM

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06/23/2008 11:32 PM

Thank you for an extremely good answer. Wish I could vote more than once.

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06/19/2008 10:49 PM

Considering the size of NASA's budget compared to say, the defence budget (not a fair comparison maybe) it's not strange that some would be counting beans. That doesn't mean we should ever pinch pennies when it comes to saving lives.

That does, however, bring up the issue of why we are being so tight fisted with an agency that has helped bring so much technology racing forward. There is much more to be gained by puting money into space exploration than can be counted by all the bean counters in Washington DC. Technological advances have helped to spur the longest period of sustained economic growth this country, and perhaps the world, has yet experienced.

So why is NASA so poorly funded that they have to worry whether they can rescue the people that go into harm's way for the advancement of science and mankind. Was money at the root of the decision not to abort the shuttle mission with the broken tile, when it was safe to do so, but instead take a chance with the lives of that crew? Oh it makes me so mad to think where my tax dollars are really spent and where they're not.

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06/20/2008 9:53 AM

I favor a "one percent for space" budget (we're currently at about .78% of the national budget IIRC). One that's not open to the vagaries of politics, where NASA can actually plan more than one year ahead, and not come to a funding crisis every September the way we do now.

We're approaching the end of the fiscal year (October). There is usually not a new budget through Congress until December, which means a few months of every year are spent in limbo. We can't spend, because we don't know how much there is to spend. Some projects don't know if they are going to be renewed, so development goes on hold.

It's a mess.

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06/20/2008 8:51 AM

Ummm... NASA usually has another shuttle near-ready (if not fully ready) to go for most missions. "Launch-on-Need". We've been spending this money for a long time now.

1 Human life > the world's budget any way you slice it. Period.

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06/20/2008 9:47 AM

Only since the Columbia disaster has NASA had "another shuttle near-ready". I'm not sure why the LON (launch on need) flight for the Hubble mission is being abandoned, or whether in fact it has.

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06/22/2008 12:12 AM

If we stop caring for others, we would get our just rewards: extinction.

That's the sermon for today, folks - Short and sweet.

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