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Greenland Ice Shows Rapid Climate Flips, Study Says

Posted June 19, 2008 6:57 PM

From National Geographic News:

Violent swings in weather patterns occurred after Earth's climate crossed "tipping points" thousands of years ago, according to a new study of Greenland ice-core data.

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06/21/2008 11:45 PM

The Theory of a climatic "Stable State", has been debunked scientifically quite often.

All the nonsense about "Global Warming", is a scam, designed to distract most people away from what's really happening in the world and also their own Country and Locality.

Wake up, before it's too late, and I'm not referring to the weather patterns, either.

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06/23/2008 12:30 PM

Son, you had better get your mind right. On NPR's "The Diane Rehm Show" this morning, NASA's James Hanson proposed that executives of energy companies that do not accept the global warming theory and respond correctly should be prosecuted for CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. I kid you not.

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06/24/2008 3:21 AM

Hello bmorrow492

You call me <:...Son....">, but perhaps I'm older than you think, and have a far greater life experience.

Perhaps you replied to a different Post, by mistake.

I don't take any notice of the Propaganda, for that is exactly what it is, being spewed out by most Radio, TV, Newspapers and the like.

It would be prudent for you, to check out other sources than the "Mainstream Media", which are all owned by the same money at the top level, and all of those push distracting theories, designed to take the reader/watcher's minds away from what is really happening.

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06/24/2008 11:50 AM

Your rebuke is accepted and understood. However, I was paraphrasing from a scene in Cool Hand Luke where he was being warned that if he did not change his way of thinking he would pay dearly. It appears that this kind of threat is the next step in the attempted coercion of industry by the global warming extremists.

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06/24/2008 7:12 PM

Burn the heretics at the stake!! Bow down and worship the Green or die!!

Who elected James Hanson Grand Inquisitor of the Church for a Green Earth? Since when is having a different opinion, not accepting their hysterical dogma and doing what they dictate, a crime? What happened to intellectual freedom?

Since it happened on NPR, which is supported by taxes, I am not that surprised. They all bow and kiss the ring of Pope Algore I anyway. These are the same hypocrites who say they champion freedom of speech and expression, but only allow it if they agree with it.

Apparently there have been a number of significant warmings of Greenland at times long before Man had any industry, by purely natural causes which they cannot explain because the computer models do not work. Climate change has always existed, but manmade Global Warming is a political power ploy and a money-making scam. Signs of the repressive times that may be coming, unless we all wake up and fight to stay free.

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06/22/2008 4:15 PM

Hi, in electronics only 2 transistors (amplifiers), 2 capacitors (energy storage) and 2 resistors (energy dissipators) are needed to build an astable multivibrator. Why should this be much different with climate: only endless more complicated as there are many more of these mechanisms and elements. Definitely known are some fast switching to cold climate mechanisms: A: slowly rising of the Tibetan plateau until the snow no longer melts in the summer, this triggers a new ice age as around 8% of the worlds energy input then is missing (reflected back). B: the "Heinrich-events" when at the end of ice-aged the large ice barrier that prevents the great lakes to discharge into the atlantic and creates a giant sweetwater lake, when this barrier is broken and the stored sweet water discharged into the north atlantic the a falling back into cold times (around 1000years) is occurring. The results of the discharge are seen in the North-Atlantic seabed drillings: 7 layers of pebbles related to the 7 known iceages from 1.2 million years ago until the end of the lat one: 10,000 years ago (roughly). Violent swings to warm climate are not generally agreed upon but maybe release of stored methane (deep sea and tundra) will suffice. So don't bother, it will happen again, be prepared to move and to ask for asylum. Maybe mankind is pushing a bit towards warmer climate. Sealevel changing of +- 100m !!! was quite usual in the tertiary period, -80 during the last ice-age. We will bury a lot of money with helpless efforts to stabilize climate, trying to control what we do not understand, only to limit our input. RHABE

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06/24/2008 10:14 PM

A very interesting bit of information I ran across in reading some the ancient Norse records: during the time of the colonization of Iceland and Greenland by the Vikings, Greenland was actually green. Well, roughly thirty percent of it anyway. They grew crops, tended domestic animals, sheep and goats mostly, and fished in the ocean, which was ice free most of the year, near the southern coast of course.

So it is conceivable that that the melting glaciers of Greenland are simply a normal "change of the seasons", so to speak. Please, I do not mean literally, Winter to Spring.

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06/25/2008 3:02 AM

I wonder if every skeptical about the theory of Global Warming has considered the factor of the speed the climate changes are happening in front of our eyes. Certainly earth has experienced great changes of the climate so far, and will keep on doing so in the future. The question is why the latest dramatic changes happen in such an abnormally short period of time, and at the same time, they happen to go in parallel with a similar dramatic change in the way we treat the environment. I think I have noticed studies that exclude - at a high degree of confidence - the case of just a statistical fluctuation.

But whether this is true, or just a conspiracy, at this point I'm only curious to know whether there is something that we can do to revert or even stabilize the situation, or it is already too late. In the first case we should act as sooner as possible, anyway. In the latter case, I'm afraid I doubt we have the time as a species to adapt to the new environment so we better stop multiplying and enjoy ourselves keeping on doing exactly what we currently do. And just before the human race reaches its final demise after 50 years or so, we can have a big bonfire torching the Amazon forest and then nuke ourselves to give a festive and ceremonious note to the occasion.

P.S. Now that I'm thinking of it, nuking is not a bad idea, as it will turn the planet uninhabitable also for those little creepy creatures, like the cockroaches, who believe that are fitter to survive than us...

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06/25/2008 5:48 AM

Hello tkot

They're a'coming, in greedy anticipation.

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06/25/2008 4:53 PM

Hi,

there is no need to be this pessimistic.

We do not know how fast climatic changes can be but be prepared to a total change within one year: switching performance to warm is not very likely but possible, switching performance to cold climate is very likely.

So I am pretty sure that the warm trend is partially made by humans and that many will suffer and many will gain a lot. The temperature is much debated but change of rain pattern may have a much worse impact.

The above mentioning of Greenland as Vikings arrived was really green with grass should be complemented by Vinland on the Canadian shore, no grapes are growing there any more since 600 years after the climate switched? or changed to colder.

We do not know the most important answer of our climate-dynamics to the mixture of inputs: how far is the sea level rising at rising mean? temperature? If Antarctica stays below zero then there is more snow deposited as evaporation is higher and deposition is higher. So it is very likely that rising sea-level is going on only to a very limited extent.

If mankind is preparing for or awaiting demise then I think this will happen by degeneration: loss of strength, loss of ability, loss of culture, loss of common understanding of good and evil. In former times there were strong nomadic people to overtake the ruling power. We (most governments) try hard to eliminate these. This is one of the biggest evils I can think of!

Wait and see.

Educate those that are willing to learn.

Raise and initiate interest in early childhood (age of 1 to 6)!!!

Think about the future but never be pessimistic.

Two rats fell into a pot of cream, the pessimistic rat drowned quickly, the optimistic rat worked for hours until the cream turned to butter giving a base to jump out.

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06/25/2008 7:19 PM

Rhabe, Good Answer.

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