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Britain Ordered to Destroy its Database of Innocents' DNA

Posted December 05, 2008 8:40 AM

From Boing Boing:

The deplorable British policing practice of storing the DNA of suspects who've been exonerated or never even charged has been found to be illegal by a European court, and now the database must be destroyed. Remember the kid who was going home on the tube in 2005 and was mistaken for a subway bomber, taken into custody, apartment raided, all data on his computers copied, and his DNA stored forever -- even though the police admitted it was all a misunderstanding? Well at last his DNA should be removed from the database. The court said there was a particular risk that innocent people would be stigmatised because they were being treated in the same way as convicted criminals. The judges added that the fact DNA profiles could be used to identify family relationships between individuals, meant its indefinite retention also amounted to an interference with their right to respect for their private lives under the human rights convention. The case provoked an expression of disappointment from the home secretary, Jacqui Smith, and the promise that a working party, including senior police officials, will report back to Strasbourg by next March on how the government will comply with the judgement. "The government mounted a robust defence before the court and I strongly believe DNA and fingerprints play an invaluable role in fighting crime and bringing people to justice. The existing law will remain in place while we carefully consider the judgement." Christ that Jacqui Smith is a piece of work. Remember, come the next election: a vote for Labour is a vote for the party that thinks 1984 is a manual for statecraft. 17 judges, one ruling - and 857,000 records must be now wiped clear (Thanks, beep1o!)

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12/06/2008 10:00 PM

The ruling may have been made, the destruction order given, but who is going to police that order?

History has proven well, that information once received, is never destroyed, but retained "For possible future use".

And even if there was the assurance given that such records had been destroyed, one could never be sure.

<"...."The government mounted a robust defence before the court and I strongly believe DNA and fingerprints play an invaluable role in fighting crime and bringing people to justice. The existing law will remain in place while we carefully consider the judgement."....">

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12/06/2008 11:35 PM

Yes we destroyed the DNA but the data produced from that DNA will be filed for future use.

The DNA may Have been already lost but the Electro florescent map was digitized and backed up daily, weekly, monthly. So yes it has been taken out of the data base and erased.

Monday nights automatic back up restore found a file missing from the system and restored it. Per protocol it was password access protected and hidden to prevent future erasure.

Sorry I don't buy it either.

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12/08/2008 12:55 AM

If a person is found innocent of a crime, the data should be destroyed. If he is found GUILTY!!, the information should be kept on record and available for the rest of his life.

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12/08/2008 7:24 AM

EVERYONE should think about this and notice that a "European Court" made the decision, no reference was maade to a Brittish Court....MMMMM. Think about this before we decide to relinquish our Sovergnty to the UN or the European Union or the American Union that some are promoting.

Beware our Constitution is in jeapordy. The Federalists are in power in the US and we'd better think carefully before we allow them to usurp our rights. "Reasonable" gun laws in opposition to the Second Ammendment.

In the US the Constitution can prevent this usurpation of Justice. Destroy the DNA records!

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12/08/2008 10:26 AM

So what ???????

Deplorable ?? FOR WHO ?? Criminals ??

You can take my DNA anytime. I don't care. In fact, the U.S. government already has my DNA on file and I am happy about it. And it's a good thing so they can identify my remains if no other method of identification is possible and let my family put me to rest should it ever come to that.

Can someone tell me all the nefarious things the government will do with my DNA? I'm all ear. My left ear is OOC so speak to the right please.

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12/08/2008 10:40 AM

The U.S. has almost as many people in prison as the rest of the entire world. Do you really think they are all criminals?

The court system rubber stamps anyone they can in the name of expediency not justice.

Assert your rights as a juror and see what happens. First you will have to learn your rights because the U.S. Supreme court has ruled that if you don't know your rights the court has no responsibility to inform you of your rights.

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12/08/2008 10:50 AM

Brad, when did they overturn Miranda?

In fact, I could point to quite the contrary where violent criminals (murderers et al.) were set free due to a slight error on the part of the police and/or prosecution. Victims are the ones whose rights have been trampled.

I believe the great majority of those in prison, belong there and earned their way in. I have proudly discharged my civic duty as a juror and would welcome the chance to do it again.

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12/08/2008 11:52 AM

Then as a juror you were lied to by the court, you have the right to judge the law as well as the facts. The judge is there to see procedure is followed. If you do not know this the court considers you an unfit juror to rule and if you do the court will try to bluff and test your assertion then will high jack by ruling before the jury deliberation.

Miranda was ruled on by the courts to counter the abuse by police and was ignored twice in my case even though the Miranda violations were video taped. The Ninth Circuit has mandated the District court rule on it but that was five years ago.

We research our products and science for error and fact but we accept our legal system on faith because we are told we are not knowledgeable enough to do so.

The people as in "We The People" are in charge of minding the judicial justice system and we don't know our rights to even assert them. I didn't know mine and got railroaded. I blame myself. I never investigated the rumors I had heard for facts and injustice. I was lazy and didn't want to spend the time and effort to learn a new discipline. We perceive Lawyers as a lowly occupation in America and the stigma works against the common man alienating us further from our judicial system.

Before my enlightenment I enjoyed jury duty as a form of discharge of my civic duty. Now working at being a jurist I can only shake my head at the mess and do what I can for others but most would rather react with no knowledge than be proactive by knowing their rights. So far I have seen no book or manual on these are your rights and why.

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