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Our world may be a giant hologram

Posted January 16, 2009 3:16 PM

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DRIVING through the countryside south of Hanover, it would be easy to miss the GEO600 experiment. From the outside, it doesn't look much: in the corner of a field stands an assortment of boxy temporary buildings, from which two long trenches emerge, at a right angle to each other, covered with corrugated iron. Underneath the metal sheets, however, lies a detector that stretches for 600 metres. For the past seven years, this German set-up has been looking for gravitational waves - ripples in space-time thrown off by super-dense astronomical objects such as neutron stars and black holes. GEO600 has not detected any gravitational waves so far, but it might inadvertently have made the most important discovery in physics for half a century. For many months, the GEO600 team-members had been scratching their heads over inexplicable noise that is plaguing their giant detector. Then, out of the blue, a researcher approached them with an explanation. In fact, he had even predicted the noise before he knew they were detecting it. According to Craig Hogan, a physicist at the Fermilab particle physics lab in Batavia, Illinois, GEO600 has stumbled upon the fundamental limit of space-time - the point where space-time stops behaving like the smooth continuum Einstein described and instead dissolves into "grains", just as a newspaper photograph dissolves into dots as you zoom in. "It looks like GEO600 is being buffeted by the microscopic quantum convulsions of space-time," says Hogan. If this doesn't blow your socks off, then Hogan, who has just been appointed director of Fermilab's Center for Particle Astrophysics, has an even bigger shock in store: "If the GEO600 result is what I suspect it is, then we are all living in a giant cosmic hologram."

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01/19/2009 10:18 AM

And what are the ramifications of being a "cosmic hologram"? Does this statement really mean anything?

Assume we ARE living in a "giant cosmic hologram". Then what? What changes because of this profound realization?

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01/19/2009 11:00 AM

well then reality might be less real, and therefore cases can be made that heaven and hell exist scientifically.. or at least, some other place than here.

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01/19/2009 11:49 AM

Uh huh... uh huh...

Nope. No change. Everything day to day stays the same.

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01/19/2009 12:04 PM

...and if it is a hologram, then it may have the ability to be modified, much like a computer game simulates reality. Your experience of it when you are playing the game is what we now call reality, however it does have a method of programming. What if we could learn how to author the experience? Wouldn't that change things for you?

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01/20/2009 1:48 PM

I thought we already authored our experiences to a large degree, by freedom of choice.

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01/20/2009 1:56 PM

sure, but the difference here is whether you are a consumer (choice) or manufacturer (author) of your experiences. If you can only choose between visible options, that really isn't authoring your life. If you can imagine a completely different reality, AND make it come to pass, then you have something significantly more substantial. You can buy paintings, or you can paint..which is the more powerful. You can watch movies, or you can make movies... you can experience the universe, or you can MAKE YOUR OWN!.. that is the difference.

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01/20/2009 8:34 PM

Something like what I have.

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01/21/2009 12:15 AM

Either you can come to recognition of you've been painted by someone or you cannot come to ;).

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01/22/2009 1:11 PM

Either you can come to recognition of you've been painted by someone ...

Or painted by something

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01/22/2009 2:12 PM

Yep! Very meaningful input. I'm afraid endless war between materialism and idealism could evolve to next level between "someone" and "something" ;).

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01/23/2009 2:39 PM

Yep! Very meaningful input. I'm afraid endless war between materialism and idealism could evolve to next level between "someone" and "something" ;).

In the general context of causative agents, I don't see the distinction between "person" and "thing" to be very clear, so I don't see a war between materialism and idealism, but rather a struggle to expand and clarify our crude concepts. IMHO, "-isms" are for philosophers, politicians, and religionists. True (reliable) understanding of reality comes from rigorous scientific empiricism. And due to the rapid evolution of robots and artificial brains, the conscious/non-conscious and living/non-living dichotomies will become less obvious and less meaningful over time. We might also be confused by what we find when we eventually meet intelligent extraterrestrials.

These are very deep issues that maybe even transcend purely analytical approaches. Even mathematics (including all symbolic logic) admits its own limitations. So it may take a very long time for us to "know for sure". But just because there might always remain deep mysteries, this does not justify jumping to conclusions based only on faith. Even a "thing" without personality (whatever "personality" means) can be unfathomable and creative.

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01/24/2009 12:59 AM

IMHO, "-isms" are for philosophers, politicians, and religionists. True (reliable) understanding of reality comes from rigorous scientific empiricism.

The above quote is mine, and I want to clarify something before others bust me for my apparent self-contradiction/hypocrisy. I criticized "-isms", and then promoted one in the very next sentence! So yes, I too am guilty of indulging in an "-ism" even though I generally try to avoid them. But in my defense, I want to point out that empiricism differs in a profound way from the vast majority of other "-isms". While most of these require faith in unproven/untestable assumptions, empiricism requires only faith in the assumption that our senses provide fairly accurate information about reality. This is the most fundamental assumption of all since the very concept of reality becomes meaningless if we have no accurate way of perceiving it. The fact that we continue to exist proves that our senses must be fairly accurate.

Or one alternative explanation would be that we perceive reality inaccurately, but some agent creates the delusion that we perceive clearly, and protects us from our own actions (a highly contrived and absurd arrangement). An even more dubious and useless explanation would be that there exists no objective reality (i.e., only individual subjective delusions), making the issue of perceptual accuracy a mute point. The most simple and elegant explanation is that objective reality exists, and that our senses do a decent job of reporting it to us. Empiricism has a very solid foundation, as proven by our two million years on Earth, and by our ever-increasing ability to make accurate predictions and build successful new technologies.

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01/24/2009 2:14 AM

IMHO, "-isms" are for philosophers, politicians, and religionists. True (reliable) understanding of reality comes from rigorous scientific empiricism.

I suspect or even I'm certain of these (mentioned you) ones think otherwise i.e. all that "-ism" stuff just for us or for our consumption as manna and the like. 99.99% of them don't believe in BS they're trying feed us.

Said without any anger. As a matter of fact.

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01/24/2009 1:02 PM

I do sincerely hope that you re-read both posts. Read them objectively - not critically but objectively.

I think that within the 2 posts you will see the difficulty of trying to segregate science and R by the hand of your own writing.

Many of us feel that they are inseperable. That the ultimate understanding of neither will be achieved without revealing the ultimate understanding of both.

Words like -isms in your first (as you pointed) contradiction followed by words like faith in your second statement. Science itself is highly cognizant of the errors of perception. If the monkeys in the cage perform experiments about their existence and the laws there of - limited truth is revealed until they accept or recognize the cage. Am not saying we are such - simply restating a Schroedinger based point.

So I ask you this; "When sceince becomes the worlds religion, will we then be free from religion?"

It is a rhetorical question perhaps unfit for this forum. I am simply wishing to illustrate the difficulty of this segregation. I, personally, prefer homogenation.

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01/20/2009 12:15 AM

If the theory makes falsifiable predictions, and experiments confirm those predictions, then yes it will definitely mean something. We would understand reality better (which definitely matters to at least scientists and philosophers). And it would probably also ultimately lead to new technology (for better or worse).

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01/20/2009 10:41 PM

Changes in gravity and spacetime can explain the supposed "Dark Matter" deal, a major block to a theory of everything. A theory of everything means if we can get computers to be fast enough we can simulate anything. If we can simulate anything we'll probably find some phenomena that can be useful.

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01/19/2009 11:32 AM

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01/19/2009 12:03 PM

Isn't it meant ours ancestors were right stating that our world is a plain plateau rested on 3 giant tortillas/elephants? Who knows, maybe Creator had chosen that wallpaper for 2D Desktop at those far away times ? ;).

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01/19/2009 2:15 PM

My favourite story is from the Haida Indians. The story says that all the spirit gods are in the same boat with only one human. They are all arguing about which direction to go. Some are fighting with each other.

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01/19/2009 2:42 PM

Another great example of the arrow of understanding increasing in velocity remarkably as more and more of human kind explores the all(universe) from different degrees(points of view)...Atoms are mostly vacant space..We measure their existance both directly(Mass/orbital structures etc) and indirectly(wavenumber of transitions etc.)variously and come to accepted/repeatable measurement points providing techniques used to quantify the measurement are standardized..So now there is something else to measure and that measurement can be added to the pool of understanding...Perhaps at some point the slow/long waves of thought,which are allready being measured will prove tappable into a science fiction like master mind which will help direct we "wee" mortals to other planes/stars to learn even more..How it will feed back into our survival as a species and better the existance of so many of our fellow human travelers remains to be seen but optimism in understanding shines eternal....Marty W.

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01/22/2009 10:44 PM

Our world may be a giant hologram

Duh. Where have you guys been?

And people laugh when I say our entire universe may be a speck on a flower. Yup. Me and Horton.

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