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Adequate Welding Inspection Procedures?

Posted July 14, 2009 7:34 AM

Recent events — for example, a crane collapse in New York City killed two workers, a gas pipeline explosion in Moscow, and others — might have been avoided if proper oversight were in place. Such happenings seem to recur with alarming frequency. Do you think it's a case of workers not doing their job properly, or do you think more quality inspections are mandated? Welding failures — sometimes disastrous — are quickly reported in the global news. What steps should be taken to avoid such calamities?

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07/15/2009 8:52 AM

The root cause can be complex, and somewhat different for each case in the various industries. We are all well aware , for example , that highway and bridge construction has far surpassed our ability to keep-up with inspections on same. And we keep building more every year ... more-often-than-not, without plans in-place for the inspection and maintenance thereof.

Pipelines do not get better/younger/stronger as they age. They deteriorate, sometimes gradually, and (infrequently) at alarming rates. And, for a combination of reasons (including costs, and qualified inspector availability), pipeline companies adopt "Risk based inspection" plans, that focus the routine inspections at points where disaster would supposedly cause the greatest harm.

Fancy words will oftentimes feed-the-need for "cozy, warm, fuzzy feelings of safety".

But, fundamentally, a severe worldwide shortage of properly trained/skilled inspection personnel exists: in the airlines, shipping, pipelining, automotive, railroad, highway and bridge construction, etc. etc. Too many employers for TOO long have staunchly believed that inspection is merely a "necessary evil", for the purpose of "appearances" (..."Yes, we have a certified staff of quality control inspectors"...)

But they refuse to supply their inspectors with the right tools for the job. Technologies for inspection have advanced remarkably in the past few decades, but many companies hang onto 15-yr old gear because: "If it was good enough back then, it is good enough for you guys to use NOW."

Legislation that has been passed (49CFR), requiring pipeline personnel to be "Properly Qualified" to perform the tasks to which they are assigned left GIANT GAPING LOOPHOLES, which most every company jumps-through on a daily basis with glee... "We been doin' it this-a-way for 40 years, and the feds ain't gonna stop us now from doin as we see fit."

The almighty dollar wins at EVERY single solitary turn. PERIOD. And greed, arrogance, and passing the buck are now staples of the corporate diet, such that change can only occur in fractional increments with respect-to the cube of deaths that occur as a result of irresponsibility.

Be very afraid next time you fly or take a cruise.......

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07/15/2009 1:56 PM

After having passed many years working in quality, I think quality is "made" not "controlled". That's: The main issues are in design and manufacturing. If both are properly done, controls are just necessary because we all are human (and therefore rather imperfect) and some control helps to minimize those errors.

Of course a disastrous failure use to be a mixture of even apparently small failures at different stages (design, manufacturing, control, use)

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07/16/2009 9:23 AM

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" I think quality is "made" not "controlled". That is: The main issues are in design and manufacturing. If both are properly done, controls are just necessary because..."

...[the above should be followed by:] ... because of things like fatigue, corrosion, vibration, creep, and all the other things that cause failures while something (like a pipeline) is IN SERVICE ... thus, even greater degrees of inspection are required while in-service than during manufacture / fabrication.

I have known a few QC guys. And they are all very 'properly' schooled to remain focused on "Make sure it's right when it goes out the door", or "...when the customer takes delivery"...

Any time LATER, the old "Pass-the-buck" philosophy takes precedent.

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07/16/2009 12:58 PM

At a previous job, I was raised to a QA managers position, and the general manager announced one day that the "first job of quality was to be a diaper, to prevent our company from Sh**tting on the customer."

(It was funny at the time.. but I later quit the job for obvious reasons)

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07/17/2009 5:14 PM

We all agree...

"things like fatigue, corrosion, vibration, creep, and all the other things that cause failures while something (like a pipeline) is IN SERVICE"

I'm a bit lazy in nature and I thought "USE" could encompass all "IN SERVICE" things.

Anyway, the need to in service inspection is related to design (all service conditions adequately considered) and degree of safety required.

I didn't try to blame QC people (I've been one of them) the only thing I tried to state is that, even control is absolutely necessary, it does give a better knowledge of the item but don't increase at all the "inherent" quality of such item.

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07/16/2009 5:12 PM

I am the quality Control Manger where I work and have been fooling with some form of welding or it's inspection for all of my working life. One thing I would like to add to this conversation is something that I have found more of in the last few years. It is not the problem of the inspector not finding, or reporting the problems but more the problem of managers not seeing that the problems are repaired corectly or even at all when they are found. I have been always told (and believe) that quality control inspector has only 3 main duties. These are:

1)to inspect the weld or item correctly according the criteria of the code or standard he is charged with following.

2) Report any problems he may find to the appropriate managers for remedy.

3) Document the problem, remedy and repair exactly as it is.

In no circumstance should it be the quality control inspector's responsibility to force or police a person or company to make the appropriate repair. Many people think that it is the inspector's duty to see to it that the proper repairs are made and although I have meet inspectors and managers both that do think this it is just not correct. It is and always will be the managers job to see to it that things are repaired correctly when the inspector finds a problem and that he is notified to re-inspect and/or document that the repair has been made. An inspector is worthless if he does not have all of a company's managers complete cooperation and respect and dedication to have things repaired as he may find them. I speak from experience in saying that being a weld inspector without having the complete cooperation from the entire company managing team is truly a crappy job.

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07/17/2009 5:25 PM

GA.

I don't know in deep the situation of QC across the pond, but I've see many times QC people blamed and taken as a "load".

As I've said in other posts, control itself doesn't increase the quality, just give a greater degree of confidence on the item "inherent" quality.

By this part (my country) since many years ago, the QC man model preferred is that "notary type" one: He just check if the item "seems" to be in accordance with the text of the control procedure, without any "critical thought". If the procedure says that donkeys fly, it will reject all normal donkeys.

I've fight many years to change this stupid model and defended that control people MUST have a deep knowledge of what they are controlling, that's the only way they can really contribute to improve the quality.

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07/16/2009 7:11 PM

GA Piperwelder, you're exactly right. The inspectors do just that: inspect and report. Just because those reports are frequently blown-off by management doesn't mean that the inspection was inadequate. There are only a limited number of Inspectors that can force repairs; Authorized Inspectors for the ASME or the FAA (no repair, no sign-off, no liability insurance, no flying).

It is also a matter of priorities. At least in the case of the FAA, most inspections are mandated because someone or a lot of someones died when something failed that no one thought to look at before. This has a way of getting and holding one's attention. It is because of several bridge collapses that cost lives that we now know just how poor the condition of infrastructure in general is.

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