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Geared Motor Overload Setting

03/28/2015 8:47 AM

I've got a question about setting thermal overload relays for geared motors. In one of our applications, a grinder, the geared motor is connected to the rollers via belts. Occasionally, the belts burn up when product gets jammed in the rollers. The motor doesn't trip because the current never reaches the overload setting (which is set to the motor's FLA) even when the roller is jammed. The belt just starts to slip until it burns. It sets off the factory's fire alarm, I might add.

I had one of our technicians check the running current of the motor when it's grinding and got a value that's about half of the FLA (not sure, I don't have the figures with me). This got me to thinking. Should I set the overload to just above the running current to protect the belts? My suggestion got shot down by electricians (I'm electronics, I don't usually deal with motors). They say the overload relay is to protect the motor, not the equipment it's driving.

So, my question is:

Is the overload relay for the protection of the motor, or for the driven equipment?

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Re: Geared Motor Overload Setting

03/28/2015 8:53 AM

They are right.

That doesn't mean the overload can't be reset.

It means that the motor may be too big for the application.

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Re: Geared Motor Overload Setting

03/28/2015 9:34 AM

This appears a good application for a torque limiting clutch between the motor and the belt drive At least one clutch make that I know of, Mayr (mayr.com) has provisions for a limit switch to be mounted on the clutch to indicate that the clutch has released, and could be used to shut off the motor.

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Re: Geared Motor Overload Setting

03/28/2015 11:52 AM

They are wrong. A lower overload setting provides even more overload protection. However, if the overloads are set low enough to catch the belt stoppages, they may trip when starting the motor. Your plan is worth a try, at least.

The slip clutch is a good idea. Yet another possibility is to increase the belt tension, unless already excessive.

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Re: Geared Motor Overload Setting

03/28/2015 2:48 PM

Hi Vulcan,

It is an interesting problem. Yes, it is easier to monitor the belt temperature. Can you tell me the normal belt operating temperature range and the upper limit at which you need to trip the motor circuit?

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Re: Geared Motor Overload Setting

03/28/2015 8:58 PM

What you might find is that the OL relay will not adjust down low enough to be of any practical use. But Tornado is correct, there is nothing inherently wrong with protecting at a LOWER value than what the motor current is stated on the nameplate. But as he said, you may end up with nuisance tripping.

If you don't want to tackle the electricians, you can get a simple Current Sensing Relay that could also go in series with the contactor coil (just as the OL relay contact is now). The benefit to doing it that way is that most of them have a built-in "dwell time", meaning a delay for acting when starting the motor so that they ignore the starting current surge for the first few seconds. After that, you set them at any level you like. They are also known as an "electronic shear pin", because in the mechanical world, a shear pin was a weak link purposely inserted into a drive train that would break before anything else did, but was cheap and easy to replace. Doing it electronically is even easier and cheaper. In fact you can also use it in a different way by setting off an alarm,, warning the operator to back off before it jams. Make it a big rotating beacon light that essentially says "HEY! Look over here! Idiot at Work!".

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03/29/2015 12:47 AM

You need to ask why the belts won't transmit the available power from the motor. If they were in large enough section and sufficient in number to transmit full power will something else break? If not then you will be able increase production with the full power transmission capability afforded by a properly engineered belt drive.
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03/29/2015 4:05 AM

The primary reason of an overload is to protect the motor, If you set this value below than the FLA you are still going to protect the motor and maybe the cheapest way to sort your problem.

Other than a shock relay, an underspeed sensor can be used for slippage.

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Re: Geared Motor Overload Setting

03/29/2015 8:25 AM

Dear Mr. Vulcan,

The over load relay is meant for the Protection for the Motor. If you reset the relay for lower over current current value, it will work. But that is not the only solution.

In your case, I am of the opinion that:

1. There is a mis-match between the motor power required and installed.

2. The selection of the belt that are used needs a re-look interms of belt SELECTION CRITERIA, and use correct size and number of belts.

3. The equipement tripping indicates the shock load is more than design value - which results in slippage of belt, thereby heat generation in the belt and burns out.

Pl. get the above points checked and inform this forum, what was the problem identified, and solved.

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03/29/2015 8:08 PM

I read the post and found it to be educational. I thought I would throw out an idea, if its impractical, please let me know. Would it be possible to install some type of optical sensor on the motors gear drive, that way the motor would shutdown before it got hot enough to trip a thermal sensor ?

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03/30/2015 1:36 AM

Thermal sensor for motors is usually installed within motor winding. For external sensing you can use infrared temperature sensor with trip temperature control switch to trip the motor. There are many types of IR sensors you may find on www.omega.com/

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Re: Geared Motor Overload Setting

03/30/2015 10:06 AM

I would install a "zero-speed" or a "belt-slip" detection switch on the belt end opposite the drive input to monitor the belt speed.

Once the switch is installed in series with the stop-start control circuit you need only start the belt, run it at rated load, and set the switch to interrupt the conveyor control any/every time the belt ceases to reach and maintain correct operating speed.

The switch will require preventative maintenance on a regular schedule.

There are several companies such as TURCK, Conveyor Dynamics, that offer this type of switch complete with installation and calibration information.

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Re: Geared Motor Overload Setting

04/02/2015 7:08 AM

Hi guys, 'got a little busy these past days.
Yeah, the idea might result in nuisance trips on start up. I'll have to have someone check on the starting current. Thanks everyone!

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