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Was Apollo Faked?

06/17/2015 4:52 PM

did we really land there and walk around or was it all a Hollywood trick?http://www.examiner.com/article/russian-official-calls-for-international-investigation-of-the-apollo-program

I'm gonna take a shot in the dark and take the position the Eagle DID land!!

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06/17/2015 5:06 PM

The Moscow Times. Really?

Let's ask Sarah, Mama Bear, Palin. She speaks with Rush Limburger all the time.

Maybe the CIA faked it, like they did the WTC collapse.

They went there.

No one could ever stage an elaborate hoax like either one of these events.

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06/17/2015 9:59 PM

Everything ..>>"blabla" times <<.. is from the same flock, anywhere in the world.

The Moscow times is also a joke and considered 5th......

(The reference can be found under buran in English too or the 3H36 Minutes unmanned flight of the soviets in 1988)

This program was cancelled because of (let's get the 34th orchestrated attempt for) the USSR collapse (or all the names it had before in 500 years).

This time it was pretty close.

Also in 1945 when they lost 27 million people to defeat 80% of the pampered 3 rd Reich and for this sacrifice a Cigar Politician proposed his allies to take down the Soviets while they where weak and their land destroyed.

The next attempt is going on now. A demon has been found - we seem to be weak to protest against raids and wars on devils.

History has been written so convenient for us.

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06/17/2015 5:15 PM

Good!

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06/17/2015 5:26 PM

A friend of mine walked this area after the collapse, got loads of samples, etc for a few $$.

Yep, was in all those bldgs, tons of bird shit everywhere and stuff rusting inside the bldgs.

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06/22/2015 11:18 AM

English , please…..

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06/17/2015 5:40 PM

Well, I am scheduled to have dinner with Buzz on July 18th. I'll ask him!

Two suspect things here.

1. The Examiner.

2. Some Russian with an axe to grind.

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06/17/2015 5:45 PM

no Russians can be trusted!!

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06/17/2015 10:02 PM

They seem very practical as casual bad guys, evil doers and aggressors.enemy

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06/17/2015 6:27 PM

Dinner with Buzz Aldrin?

I understand his beverage of choice is punch.

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Hawaiian Punch!

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Is that harder than a Russian punch?

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06/17/2015 7:08 PM

"tickets cost $1200 each" I usually wait until Sunday afternoon to see movies so I can take advantage of the $4.50 senior citizen specials. I was going to pick up a pair of tickets for Buzz until I noticed where the decimal point was.

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06/17/2015 9:46 PM

I wonder what role the Church of Bullcrapology has in this?

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06/18/2015 11:19 AM

That's cheap to meet and dine with someone who achieved the most amazing thing the human race has accomplished.

Works out to less than $27 a year since the Moon landing.

More importantly, you are contributing to a foundation designed to encourage our youth to become engineers and scientists. That's priceless.

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06/18/2015 12:03 PM

John Travolta, the Happyologist, at a NASA event?

Something's fishy here, is this going to be some sort of Clambake?

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06/18/2015 12:30 PM

He has deep connections to the world of aviation. He is passionate about flying and I would assume is happy to pass that passion on to others.

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06/18/2015 12:38 PM

As long as he's not trying to spread his passion for intergalactic 747's flying to Earth seventy Quintillionyears ago to strap people to volcanoes. Travolta's a good actor, I've enjoys the character's he portrayed (he is, in a sense, the spiritual father of The Fonz), it's just that I've found myself questioning his motives ever since he joined up with Hubbard's cul- religion.

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06/18/2015 9:08 AM

If you're going to ask, do it AFTER dinner, just to be safe. ;)

If you're going to accuse the landings of being faked, remember that the judges have set a precedent of taking Buzz's side on the battery charges. ;)

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06/18/2015 11:12 AM

I wouldn't even give that false argument that credit.

Buzz Aldrin represents the most important accomplishment the human race has ever achieved. That's amazing and I watched it as a kid as it happened! How fortunate is it to witness such a grand feat? It's even more fortunate to be able to meet that man I watched nearly 45 years ago.

Now he is launching a foundation called Share Space. It is designed to spark the imaginations of young children and get them excited about engineering and science and making a better future for America and the rest of the world.

Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Michael Collins, and the hundreds of thousands of shoulders that these men stood on directly inspired me to become an engineer. Many of the members here have similar stories they could tell. That would be much more positive than giving any credence to the idea that it was faked.

Think back about your own heroes and feats of human accomplishments that inspired you to be where you are today.

Maybe some of you might make a small contribution to Buzz or some other organization that sponsors and inspires the next generation of engineers and scientists?

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06/18/2015 11:55 AM

Even though I also witness the first manned moon landing,.... Apollo 13 is what inspired me.

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06/19/2015 2:15 PM

I don't remember seeing any of the moon landings myself (I was born at the end of '69), but I can see why Apollo 13 was more inspiring, Apollo 11 went off pretty much as planned, aside from knocking the flag down when they left, you never really SAW all the work, all the Engineering that went into it. Apollo 13 showed the Engineering in real-time, and with high stakes, you can't WRITE shows that exciting, since you can't kill the actors(1). Apollo 11 made history by putting boots on the moon, Apollo 13 made heroes in space and in mission control simply by Bringing The Men Home.

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  1. "Why not?"
  2. "They're not animals, they're human beings!"
  3. "Oh yeah? You ever eat with one?"
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06/18/2015 2:19 PM

GA the inspiration of heroic acts is what drives great nations....Like the flag, it's what it represents that is revered...being the first to go where no man has gone before, into the unknown, takes courage....and courageous acts are inspirational and motivational...

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06/18/2015 3:28 PM

GA.

I've had lunch with several of our astronauts at various times as well.

As a kid, my brothers and I would sit in the living room floor in front of a small black and white TV and watch anything NASA during the Apollo years.

I too was inspired, in part by those years, to take up Engineering.

Since then, I have worked for NASA many times on their transporters, and many fixed facilities.

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06/17/2015 5:52 PM

Lunar skepticism. Try telling that to buzz aldrin.

http://cr4.globalspec.com/comment/987360

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06/17/2015 7:36 PM

No, we could do stuff like that back then.

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06/17/2015 8:34 PM

Markin would particularly like to know some of the missing moon rocks went to and why the original footage of the Apollo 11 moon landing was erased.

Who cares, why is this even considered important?

Markin hastened to add that he is, of course, not suggesting that NASA faked the moon landings and just filmed the events in a studio.

The title of the thread is totally wrong so lets not all jump to conclusions shall we.

Jack - Former NASA contractor.

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06/17/2015 8:38 PM

If we never landed on the Moon, then how did we get all these moon rocks???

http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/regolith_breccia.htm

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06/17/2015 9:20 PM

They are part of the fake!

Dont try to convince us with facts. If we think it was fake we will not look at those rocks.

Heh reminds me. What happend to Lyns moon rock?

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06/17/2015 9:26 PM

It's in the back of my truck.

I keep having to have chunks cut out of my forehead and that has been a pain in the ass forehead.

I will get it analyzed, I promise.

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06/17/2015 10:27 PM

No pressure. Just make sure you get better and save the headache.

Since we know that Apollo is a Russian fake we have to assume your stone is calcified horse shit.

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06/17/2015 9:31 PM

I suspect you bought these "fakes" at the dollar store

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No they have much better rocks at the dollar store...

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06/18/2015 9:49 AM

They fell to Earth. Duh. The moon is very high, and sometimes things fall off of it and land here on Earth. The same way people keep falling off of Antarctica, which is why there are so few people on Antarctica.

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06/17/2015 8:43 PM

Did anyone but me bother to read the examiner article?

Lazy journalism doesn't excuse lazy article reading and conclusion-jumping-to?

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06/17/2015 9:21 PM

You mean reading it will change our pre-determined minds?

Ok I did read it. What has this all to do with Fifa?

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06/17/2015 9:28 PM

Only few true insiders know what exactly happened. Opinions of the rest of us are just mater of faith, no different than religion, and as such have analogous value. My intuition says that probably some material etc was faked or tampered with after e.g. films got damagef at kuiper belt. Nothing embarrassing, have seen a lot worse, I'd probably do it too. Now do I see a good old blackmail message on an arrow here? Investigation my b*t. If there is some "evidence" on something of course it didn't come to their possession now. They had it for ever. It's just the "right time" has come to sell the story. Cold dish served? S.M.

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A few insiders....HA! I live on the space coast where all the NASA and Air Force base personnel live with their families...there would have to be 10's of thousands of insiders....I know personally several people that worked towards the space program, many are family members...If you had any concept of the scope of personnel involved in this effort, you would realize how ridiculous this, and pretty much all, conspiracy theory is....

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06/17/2015 10:38 PM

GA. People have no idea how big NASA and its subcontractors are or even were during the 1960s.

NASA had 36,500 direct employees on the Apollo program in the early 1960s when it started and 376,700 employees when you included sub-contratctors.

The program cost over $170 billion in today's dollars.

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I was one of those sub-contractors.

For anyone to suggest that it was a hoax is unthinkable!

I left the industry in 1988.

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$170 billion in todays dollars....... in todays standard of spending, that sounds cheap.

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It does sound cheap. I rechecked the numbers, too.. Consider our debt rises at $3.3 billion per day. That's not even two month's national debt!

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When you look at what was accomplished..., I guess the dollar bought more back then..... statistically speaking.

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06/18/2015 8:04 AM

By a wide margin.

We spent $22 Trillion (Trillion dollars) on Johnson's War on Poverty.

Sadly, that war is still a stalemate 50 years later with the percentage of poor in the US at about the same rate as it always has been. In other words, no net change.

Worse, we have no exit strategy.

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Johnson war, there was no plan. just throw money at it. And that is no plan.

And now if you would put an exit strategy on an entitlement program, like a cut-off day, or showing an ID then people start screaming..

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I know I didn't fake my part of it!

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And of course I meant Van Allen not... Kuiper belt.(LOL) S.M.

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I was wondering about that

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Ridiculous!

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06/17/2015 10:45 PM

And here I revert to my favourite movie 'Wag the Dog' with De Nero and Hoffman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNo0BicRM8k .... not a war, it's a pageant!
And do you recall what we did with the Apollo project?

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06/17/2015 11:47 PM

Ok so people just want to talk about the fake moon landing conspiracy.

Could we perhaps get back on topic to the original linked article that wasn't about a fake moon landing conspiracy or should we just start talking about anything controversial we want because we have something we want to rant about?

Seriously, Apollo wasn't faked, not even the Russians called fake during their space race with the US when it happened, and if anyone was going to call them out over it then it would have been them back then. Lander parts and the site can be detected from earth with the right gear.

Lets move on shall we.

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What is your interpretation of the intent of the thread: Was Apollo Faked?, and the implications of the hit piece, if not that it was all faked?

I've read it more than once and the intent is clear. That is to cast doubt on the space programs of long ago to deflect the FIFA debacle, of today.

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06/18/2015 12:52 AM

Yes, but whatever the reason was (and we may never know the thinking behind it) it was not using the controversial (and false) fake moon landing conspiracy theory to deflect attention.

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06/18/2015 1:15 AM

Lets call it by its name then!

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06/18/2015 8:16 AM

These people who spout about the fakery often have a book or DVD to sell with the definitive proof of the fakery.

We see them all about various things, most notable the Kennedy Assassination, the twin towers and to a lesser degree the Apollo program.

They are just crooks who want to make $$ from weak minded fools

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06/18/2015 1:13 PM

GA particularly for the comment:-

They are just crooks who want to make $$ from weak minded fools

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Re: Was Apollo Faked?

06/18/2015 3:18 AM

Of course it did, no question.....the Russians are still jealous even today....as they should be!!

They are probably the ones supporting the opposite view!!

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06/18/2015 8:37 AM

The answer to the question is not very important. What is important is the wonderful science that resulted from the entire space program. For example, prior to the Gemini program scientists argued about options for dissipating the heat of re-entry. The most popular argument was to store the heat in a large heat sink. Today we understand the science of ablation, but it was unpopular and considered very risky in the 1950s.

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06/19/2015 12:48 PM

Now, there is the opportunity to gain knowledge having to do with the human minds ability to expand beyond the limits afforded by our frail bodies. The technology it takes to accomplish this extends into our everyday lives. There are policies in place now, to share this knowledge with everyone. This to me, along with the fact that the people that risked their lives and came back changed by these profound experiences, gives testimony to fact that there was no fakery, only a move towards understanding.

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06/18/2015 8:44 AM

Last I checked, the world was still flat. The Sun circles around the earth, and the sky was falling.

Has anyone else noticed the tremendous insecurity in Russia lately?

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06/18/2015 9:30 AM

Looking at the actual article, I'll boil it down to the important TL:DR Bullet Points:

  • Russia is NOT saying the landings were faked.
  • Russia is asking about some of the 'missing' moon rocks.
  • Russia is asking why some video from the Apollo Landings were erased.

Not the first point does not require a response, it is a statement of agreement with existing facts, said to hush the conspiracy theorists, and stop wild rantings like what has gone on in this thread.

The second point is a question about missing material recovered from the Moon. In my personal opinion, I would hazard a guess that something got mislabeled, or filed away in the wrong location, and was either disposed of or is sitting in a warehouse, 'lost to the beurocracy.' Anyone who has visited even a small public library will be familiar with this concept: due to the number of books there, misfiling a book lust a few books to the left or right makes it practically unfindable until the library does a Reorganization of that section, a task that could take days or weeks, and would close that section to the public during that time. It's a slow, arduous task, and one the library workers consider a punishment worse than execution. (I didn't mean 'termination - aka firing, I meant execution, as in slow-painful death.)

The third point, the erasing of Apollo footage, is another case of 'mislabeled/misfiled' material, along with basic beurocratic incompitance. To 'save budget money,' the accountants decree that 'non-essential' videotapes be erased and reused, and some tapes ended up in the wrong stacks, or a stack was mislabled, or a downtrodden little wage-slave/intern misread a tracking number (or didn't know that ANOTHER wage-slave/intern made a typo when filling out the paperwork, or that a manager mis-spoke when dictating to the intern (although the manager will never admit that, even if they have the dictation audio on record (which they won't, since that would have been considered a 'non-essential' recording))), and pulled the stack NEXT to the stack that was scheduled for disposal.

Big organizations screw up all the time, and the policy makers tend to listen to the accountants, who value 'saving money' over saving Posterity.

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06/22/2015 8:52 AM
  • Russia is asking why some video from the Apollo Landings were erased

Doesn't it have to do with the Allspark and the Transformers?

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06/22/2015 9:34 AM

If we're talking about the Michael Baysplosion films, I'd rather not touch that.

If I were speaking openly and frankly about my opinions, I'd probably be using phrases like "For the good of the Movie Industry, and American Culture in general..." "...Michael Bay and J.J. Abrams, bound hand and foot..." "...cement mixer packed with high explosives, like in the famous Mythbusters clip..." "...Quentin Tarrentino thrown in for good measure..." "...no recoverable pieces larger than an Oreo cookie..." "...burned to ashes, just to be safe." But this is a discussion about the tapes and recovered material from the Apollo landings, not a discussion about most and least favorite Hollywood movie directors, to I'll hold my tongue.

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06/18/2015 9:41 AM

Got news for the skeptics.....

My Father-in-law made the Prisms that McDonald Observatory bounces laser beams off of every clear night of the year! Something I have witnessed.

In fairly recent history picture were taken of the site of landing on the Moon.

Hearsay is just that, hearsay.

One day, it will be a tourist attraction.

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06/18/2015 9:46 AM

how do we know your father in law isn't a spy??

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06/18/2015 9:52 AM

Stop teasing him Boris.

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06/18/2015 1:30 PM

Russia could not even capture a flying rodent and a moose. So much for Boris and Natshia.

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06/18/2015 9:53 AM

There is a mirror on the moon that was put there by hand.

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06/18/2015 10:29 AM

Come on, It wasn't a fake.

We were the first ones there and either dropped off some vital materials to the aliens on the dark side of the moon or picked up something from the aliens that has furthered our technical superiority.

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06/18/2015 10:32 AM

we traded all that Lunar junk pile for a 555 timer and a roll of duct tape...........just look how advanced we are now!

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06/18/2015 10:38 AM

Or one of these?

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06/18/2015 12:00 PM

Hey, don't disparage the 8086/8088 family, they have an important feature lacking in the modern Pentiums and other Very Large Scale Integrated Circuits:

8086's and 8088's do not glitch when a cosmic ray passes through them, they've been tested and proven 99.99% immune, and a simple tactic of Redundant Systems will catch that 0.01% event, because the two computers will not agree. One is right, one is wrong, so they both run the program again to find the correct result.

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06/20/2015 8:57 PM

If there are lots of people out there who drink their own urine, regularly have their colones rinsed with enemas, firmly believe the pyramids were built by aliens, think that Hitler, Stalin and Mao where good guys... why shouldn't many others believe that the Apollo landing was a Hollywood trick? There was time in which, using scientific facts, I argued with them just to make them understand they were wrong.... later I understood that they need to believe in such things and no matter how evident truth is, they will not accept it. Nowadays if somebody tells me he doesn't drink milk cause he does not agree with the suffering of cows being milked for the profit of the transnational dairy industry, I agree with him and express my sympathy for the cows.

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06/21/2015 4:32 AM

So do you believe it was faked or not?

I did not quite get it 100% as to which "side" you are on from your ranting post!

I tend to feel that you think it was for real (the same as I do!)....am I right?

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06/21/2015 7:25 AM

Yes I believe that FIFA was a fake!

But this is not what you are talking about, is it?

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06/22/2015 11:39 AM

What about the recent (2009), photos taken by the Japanese Lunar probe, that show the imprints of the lunar module, and the disturbed "soil" around the area? Wikipedia has a long list of individual verifications , photographs, of all of the lunar landings…Some with lunar probers, others with telescopes etc.

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