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How to Calculate Exact CNC Turning Time From Drawing

01/19/2016 3:25 AM

Dear All,

I need some help in calculating cnc turning time from drawing ,we have engineering standard in which we have used mean dia for all calculations with rpm constant, while cnc machine works on fix Vc(cutting speed) & variable rpm & feed to improve tool life & tool wera & quality of job.Is there Any method to calculate cycle time just like cnc machine works?with constant vc(cutting speed) .

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01/19/2016 3:32 AM

Arithmetic is usually taught in elementary school. Find a local one and sign up.

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01/19/2016 3:53 AM

Take the time at the beginning of the operation. Take the time at the end of the operation. Simply subtract the earlier time from the later time.

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01/19/2016 4:15 PM

Say I start at 4:00PM on Monday and finish at 4:00PM on Tuesday.

4:00PM-4:00PM=0

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01/19/2016 5:15 PM

<...The supply of fools will always outstrip the demand.....>

Quite.

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01/19/2016 4:22 AM

You can make s decent estimate if you know the Vstart , Vend , Vmax , Acceleration , Deceleration and length for each vector of the tool path.

If you are really pressed for performance you can optimize the tool path by re-sequencing the cuts and keep moves time to a minimum.

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01/19/2016 5:14 AM

Ooh, that's too hard. It entails arithmetic, as suggested by that meanie in post 1.

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01/19/2016 5:20 AM

What <...meanie...>?

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01/19/2016 6:22 AM

Not so complicated - To do any calculation you need coordinates.

What file format are your tool path / output of your drawing in ? (NCI, NC . . . . )

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01/19/2016 8:47 AM

Get a stop watch and a stool and park your butt by a machine and time some cuts.

You can develop your own formulae, maybe.

Cutting speed has many variables. I'll give you two to start you on the road to knowledge. The rest you can ask a machinist about, if you actually have any machinists on staff.

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1. Type of material.

2. Cutter diameter.

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01/19/2016 11:34 AM

And add tooling to the list of variables. If you're looking at high volume production, you can make custom inserts that have a significant impact to cutting time... well, depending on what you're cutting.

Example, CNC cutting of premium and semi-premium threaded connections on OCTG utilize custom-designed inserts... 1) because of the proprietary profiles, and 2) to reduce cutting time.

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01/19/2016 1:04 PM

It's going to be one hell of an equation!

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01/19/2016 1:08 PM

If they're looking for 'Exact" results, my opinion is that this company's (profit) margins are way too tight.

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01/20/2016 1:04 AM

Indeed. The word "exact" in the post title is a dead giveaway that the person in question does not know such concepts as error bands.

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01/20/2016 7:13 AM

What's error bands?

ohh,.. and an off topic remark, too..... That's good right?

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01/30/2016 11:50 PM

pl send me any method for turning from drawing
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01/19/2016 10:44 AM

I'd be surprised if the software that operates the CNC machine couldn't tell you that when you enter the STEP file and the type and size of the raw material along with the specified feed rates for the various tools, RPM, and so on. Or use a stop watch for the first one.
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01/30/2016 11:47 PM

Sir,

I am working in engineering ,we are receiving lot of drawing every day for time study,so we have never made job before,to confirm the order marketing ask us for time estimation for quotation.exact or accurate estimation can help organization making profit other wise loss.
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04/28/2020 7:24 AM

<...estimation...>

Oh! So it's a guess?

In the absence of any useful information, any old guess will do.

<...marketing...>

Ah! So there are other people at the facility. Good. These people have access to data on previous production runs that is commercially-sensitive. Use it, for there is none here.

<...making profit other wise loss...>

Is it fair to burden a global anonymous internet Engineering website with that in the absence of a reward for doing so?

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01/19/2016 12:57 PM

Experience helps,

actually running the geometry through CAM programming software is better (after the operation variables in the software have been put in)

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01/19/2016 7:02 PM

Just show your drawing and time requirement to the experienced machinist who will be making the part.

When you need a precision part made you have two options.

One you can have it done in a specific time constraint or two you can have it done correctly.

As for who an experienced machinists going to see your drawing and time numbers to him its just a sheet of paper with some suggestions on it.
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01/19/2016 10:40 PM

You can take the weight of the finished product and subtract it from the weight of the starting block...then figure the weight of swarf produced per minute by calculating the chip load for the bit and speed you will be using....

"Chip load - The distance a bit moves forward as a single flute cuts into a material. The amount that each flute cuts during a single revolution of a cutting tool. The formula for chip load is CL = (feed rate / no. flutes) / RPM. The TOTAL chip load is defined as the distance a bit moves forward during a single revolution (TCL = feedrate / RPM) and is given in inches (or millimeters) per revolution."

chip load calculator...

http://zero-divide.net/index.php?page=fswizard

The final figure may need some tweaking...

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01/20/2016 4:59 AM

Dear Sir,

Thanks for your support,in case of turning & facing is this software can work ?

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01/20/2016 8:05 AM

No, not from just a drawing. If you write a program for it, there is software that will estimate the turning time.
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