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05/24/2016 5:43 AM

A couple weeks ago, my sister sent me to her "energy healing person". I thought it was silly, but she told me the worst that could happen is I'd fall asleep for an hour. When I got to her office, she said that her treatment is based on clearing blockages in a person's 7 chakras. She told me my body would tell her which chakras needed to be cleared, then the energy could flow and I'd be more balanced.

She had me lie down on a massage table, then she started by placing covers over my eyes. She then placed crystals on my chakras and she had me take three deep breaths of some essential oil (smelled like a purple flower) and she put a drop of the oil on my forehead. During the treatment, she hung a crystal over my chakra ( I had no idea what she was doing, but my sister told me that's what she does) and if it spins, she clears the blockage - the crystals spin faster the larger the imbalance. After a while, I did fall asleep and when I woke up, I felt a lot different. The colors in the room were more vibrant and everything was super crisp (vision). She asked me what I thought and I told her that I felt like my mind was clear. I also noticed that my right bicep was sore, like I worked out too much - strange! And about 30 seconds after I laid down, my right side lower back started to hurt, but the pain went away after she did something with my feet. The last thing I remember is that different colors would come into my vision - vibrant green, bright yellow, bright blue, white, then red. She told me they relate to the places she cleared energy.

On the way home, I was in a very calm state. I had the top down and it was a little chilly. Normally, I turn the heat on, but that day I just enjoyed the cool air. I had a classical music station on and it sounded so good. I went to a place called Rio and had dinner there. Kids were screaming and the place had bright colored tables - normally this would bother me, but not that night. The food didn't taste too good, but I didn't get upset. On the way home, the sun was down and I had to turn the heat on. If felt energetic and I worked until 2:30 in the morning - I got tons of work done. Since then, I've slowly dropped back to my normal work rate and my mind isn't as clear - I'm definitely wearing too many hats!

So, my question is two fold.

1. How does hanging crystals over certain parts of the body make them spin - they spin different for each person?

2. I do believe that it did something to me, but how could clearing energy in a few of my chakras make my senses so much more acute and help me focus?

I know there's so many things we don't know about our bodies, but this energy blockage stuff had me puzzled.

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05/24/2016 5:53 AM

You had a pleasant relaxing experience be stroked metaphorically if not physically by a lady.
Coupled with the placebo effect and nice aromas that's pretty much enough to make anyone feel better.
Where do I sign up?

A walk in the woods with smell of spring blossom does it for me.
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05/24/2016 6:24 AM

Did any money change hands?

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05/24/2016 8:33 AM

LOL - how can you tell if the chakras were paying for this, or someone else?

One of my sisters is a "healer" - she also senses when someone is about to "pass over". The only time I know if someone is passing over is if I know they are in that airplane up there.

I do not know what makes the crystals spin, were they floating in midair, or suspended on thread (or wire). Winding up the thread could make them spin...

Autobroker: try this without paying. Right at bedtime, read one Proverb of the Holy Bible each day, and a Psalm of David. When you wake up you will feel energized. It is a thing called righteous sleep. Wisdom cries out in the streets, free for all to partake.

If you prefer to imagine your "chakras" as balloons of colored light within you, then by all means, do so, but if you have a pure heart, your chakras will take care of themselves without external intervention.

Do not let the daily tensions of L.A. traffic, fast food, noise on the radio, etc., etc. grind you down the way you did before. Set a time apart for resting. Even God rested on the seventh day.

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05/24/2016 6:31 AM

Scientifically, I am sure the physical world that we live in is far more than the sensible. Our eyes, ears, nose, tounge has a limited sensory bandwidth. In this premise we(both the mystical and none-mystical believers) can not simply dismiss or prove the undefine not unless explored and experienced.

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05/24/2016 7:05 AM

There are things that can't be explained scientifically.

I've heard things that sounded like alot of hokey?... until I saw it.

This has more to do with aniamals.

Years ago, we purchased a Wild Mustang Stallion at a government auction. It was a large horse, and had good statue, (Some of the wild mustangs were inbreed and had some physical disabilities that reflected it.) this one was docile, which was quite strange. Its hoofs were not maintained (it was terrible) and we believed that this was the problem.

We got him in shape but there was things wrong with him, head was lowered, at times labored breathing and it didn't have the energy it should. A friend of my brother's stopped in when we were working on him. Unbeknownst to us, she was into holistic medicine for animals.

She asked if she could look at him (examine). Well she held her hands about 4" away from the horses body and followed over his body. As she was doing this, she talked about this energy and then she found what she called a hot spot on its back and began massaging the area.

Dam horse started to come around its head perked up, and by the time she was done, the horse looked very

Statuesque. And then began acting like a stud... actually a Wild Mustang Stallion, Christ did we have our hands full after that. If he acted like that doing the auction block we would have made a pass on him.

It took some time to calm him down (Close to a year). My brothers daughter wanted him for breeding (otherwise it would have been sooner), We had purchased some mustang mares about 3-4 years prior and had very good results with them, and my niece wanted them for brood mares.

I really don't question it too much. especially when the results speak for themselves.

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05/24/2016 8:36 AM

Very interesting. My wife also has the gift of "lifting" the heat from areas where there is pain. She has done it on me, but I did not behave like a stallion, more like a donkey.

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05/24/2016 8:37 AM

better a donkey than a mule... lol

since leaving the farm, we tend to spend more on animals than I would have thought possible.

We took our dachshund (who was a rescue dog, I'll spare you the story how we got it) to the chiropractor,.. (we did this multiple times on (2) separate occasions.

It was that or put him down, and he was such a happy dog, it would have been hard to put him down. especially looking at him, with his ears that look like wore out tattered dish rags.

Not to mention the vet office, also twice,... to have bad teeth extracted... poor li'l fella.

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05/24/2016 7:08 AM

There may well be an understanding that doesn't respond to the Scientific method at this time. If this is the case, it isn't invalid as a healing technique; rather, it opens up an area for study. The best thing here is an open mind, for such a mind can begin to study and to understand.

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05/24/2016 7:42 AM

She then placed crystals on my chakras.......

Sounds like are chakras are specific parts of the body, what are they?

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05/24/2016 8:37 AM

You can't see them, unless you can. It is a gift apparently, but it's sort of like the king's new clothes, only the elite can see them. Then a small child's voice cries out from the crowd..."but the king is naked".

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05/24/2016 9:12 AM

I'm as sceptical as you, but if you can place crystals on chakras presumably they're in specific locations.

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05/24/2016 12:04 PM

Not when they are all out of "whack", someone's this or that chakra could be on their head, instead of in their belly, etc. You need a real chakra wrangler to get those cats herding in the right direction.....NOT>

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06/06/2016 8:24 AM

Nah! If they're out of whack, then they're spinning in the wrong direction or are the wrong colour (colour=vibrational energy or aura). Apparently

In the time span of my life, meditation has gone form being something "flakes" did because they had nothing better to do to a useful stress relief practice with measurable [Western] medical effects. Likewise acupuncture. I found this relieved my pain when I had nothing else available (other than dark chocolate and chillis).

Who's to say that doing specific exercises (yoga positions) to align your chakras is NOT good for you?

Just don't get sucked in to an arrangement where someone is fleecing you of money for claims that they are "healing" you.

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06/06/2016 3:22 PM

Yep. There are five charlatans per one guru.Ω

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06/02/2016 2:59 PM

She told me that we have seven major chakras. They are aligned up the center of our body. Each one is in some sort of special place - where nerves come together. She said that we have blockages in these areas that need to be cleared. The blockages come from things that we don't resolve in our normal day to day lives. Clear the blockages and energy can flow.

It makes sense to me, but this stuff about crystals and how they spin to show which chakra is blocked? That's the point where I can only say that "I don't know".

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05/24/2016 8:12 AM

same reason people spend over a billion dollars annually on supplements that contain no active ingredients if you believe it works, it does

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05/24/2016 8:26 AM

Good point - that Ouija board certainly sells your idea. I was the one secretly pushing the planchette around for my high school buddies. My friends, whom I spoofed, still believe it worked, some 50 years later.

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05/24/2016 8:34 AM

the power of suggestion and chalitons ,... also not to be taken lightly.

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05/24/2016 9:30 AM

Ah yes. I thought he'd discovered a new elementary particle Somebody mentioned phonons.

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05/24/2016 12:10 PM

Look them up. I have been doing research on what are known as phonon cells. They are part galvanic and part semiconductor. Phonons assist (when the matrix of crystalline materials is heated) in getting energy overlap between valence band of one crystal type and the conduction band of another type in contact to help populate some charge carriers. Have made at least a few cells with output impedance less than 10 Ohms at 80-90 °C.

Will be working on making series stacks with output voltages up in the 24 V area before long. I would like to see these have output impedance of less than 50 Ohms, but as you know when you put cells in series, the Thevenin resistances are in series also. And so on it goes. Not mystery stuff, just hard to understand stuff for someone like me who has not spent much time understanding Fermi level, etc.

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05/24/2016 12:54 PM

I've heard of phonons, came up when studying physic, but that was 50 years ago. Can't quite follow what you're working on. Is it a type of battery? (sounds interesting)

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05/24/2016 1:26 PM

Yes. There are the hippie types that claim some sort of mystery power to these. Then there those like me (and my Choctaw engineer friend) who have decided there is useful long-term power in these.

Some have claimed they have phonon cells over a couple of years age that still have about the same output as when new. What I have seen it depends on ambient conditions, how much mechanical shock (they do not respond well to the drop test), and the upper temperature extremes they are exposed to. I have had cells that did not self-destruct at temperatures in range of the 120 °C mark. Others have failed due to one problem of fabrication or another at such temperatures.

A typical AAA cell from your local store pretty much swells and shorts out between 70-90 °C, depending on rate of temperature rise. They are not designed for high temperature environments. Phonon cells thrive in low grade heat.

The general track for improvement of these cells is to come up with a convenient way to make stacks of arbitrary unit cell count, so that higher voltages will be present, while at the same time, improve cell stability (voltage stability is very high, but current output stability can suffer), while at the same time reducing the galvanic contribution while enhancing the semiconductor half of the equation.

Crystals used can be a variety of chemical entities. Some are common household items one might find in a kitchen. Some are not.

One quest of mine is to produce a phonon cell that is directly sensitive to light (similar to photovoltaic effect), but that also has an enhanced phonon output current as heated up, whereas conventional PV loses output as it heats up.

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05/24/2016 9:38 AM

I google it prior to posting it,... but I hosed it up anyways.... charlatans is better.

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05/24/2016 1:48 PM

Never accept a destiny for you done by the darkside. 1, 2, 3 may be true. The 4th ends with you. They never deal without tax, sometimes they get their advance interest, something dears to you.

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05/24/2016 8:15 AM

Chakras are the seven energy points on the body identified by Oriental medicine. Yoga is preparatory martial art (by which I mean it is exercises to prepare your body and mind for fighting) which talks about aligning your chakras.

Here's a fuller explanation - as with all these things, there are different views but the basics are stable.

Rubbing the feet is reflexology, which even conventional medicine is investigating. The theory here goes that stimulating/massaging a particular bit of your foot helps heal/revive a bit of your body. I'm currently rubbing Vick's vapour rub into my feet at night to stop me coughing. Don't laugh - it works better than rubbing it on my chest (no Del, I don't need help rubbing it on my chest....)

Dowsing - the term for using the crystals to find the blockage - is an interesting subject. Jury's out. People claim to be able to dowse all sorts of the things - water, ley lines...I have had a go in a churchyard and found unmarked graves...a bunch of us separately found the same features. I've used a crystal to answer yes/no questions....certainly it gets the control questions right and I try very hard not to physically influence the swing (I get a clockwise circle for yes and a back and forth for no). Do I believe it? Not sure, but I can't prove its hokum...unlike Reiki which is pure nonsense.

As for the chakras - a millenium old term for nerve nexus points perhaps? Chinese acupuncture meridians fall into the same pot.

Del is probably closest to the truth - you had permission to sleep deeply, pleasant aromas are known to have physical and psychological effects, there was a massage and probably mild (self) hypnosis. If you it makes you feel better and hurts no-one, what's not to like? Sometimes the placebo is enough!

All the fancy Oriental names are the remnants of previous explanations - like the European Four Humours. Maybe we'll find the truth in amongst the new age bollox at some point and realise the ancients were a damn sight brighter than we gave them credit for!

Sorry, a bit garbled - eating lunch and tryping...

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05/24/2016 8:47 AM

Wait just a minute, hold the phone. How is it you cannot prove any of this mystic eastern medicine (religion), yet you condemn another form of it Reiki as pure nonsense.

How about the throw out the entire bath water and the baby, and the drain plug as well?

I declare the king to be totally and completely unclad.

The only thing I will say about crystals: we know they have vibrational energy known as phonons. Sometimes acoustic energy can be coupled to phonons (which may or may not have quantized energy levels corresponding to acoustic waves), and some phonons can interact sufficiently with valence band electrons as to energize them to the conduction band. Suppose there were "free radicals" concentrated (don't ask me how) in a specific area of the body (interpreted as "heat"?) where an injury is being worked on by the body. Suppose further we suspend a crystal above this point (no one is yet saying what kind of crystal), and that we do not "wind up" the string.

Now suppose that the free radicals somehow are paramagnetic (which they undoubtedly are) and this distorts earth magnetic field (immeasurably to be sure), and this produces a field imbalance (however ridiculously tiny) at the crystal, and due to charges extant within the crystal, sets it spinning on its axis. I feel this is as suitable an explanation as the rest of the blithering idiots have to offer. Thank you and good day!

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05/24/2016 11:32 PM

You said your wife could lift the heat out of someone's body, but say that the king is totally and completely unclad? Aside from the contradiction, it sounds dangerous to your health.

Long before I heard about chakras and near death experiences, I knew that the universe permitted weirdness. I had some experiences that defied physics, but the real proof is that ALMOST EVERYONE knows someone who has had strange experiences or abilities that violate what we think of as physical laws. It is easy to dismiss all those stories by strangers, but when your own parent or sibling says that they (or you) would not even be alive except some strange event saved them (or you) then it is harder to wave your hands and say, "It is just one of those things!"

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05/25/2016 9:13 AM

Everyone has heard of Kirlian Photography, and I have known about this for at least 40 years. It is obviously an observable. Thus interaction of human electric/magnetic field energy is a possibility (in reference to lifting heat). I am just saying that people are all too willing to throw out the gospel of Jesus Christ, and run to mysterious Eastern religion and voodoo because that is more "convenient" to their personal milieu, at least that is what they think. I find Christianity (which my wife is a far more staunch Christian than I am) to be very convenient and necessary for me, the greatest of sinners. Of course, many are not willing to admit that their thoughts and actions have ever been contrary to the universe+ (God).

Kirlian image of two coins from Wikipedia.

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05/31/2016 10:05 AM

Kirlian effects are artifacts of various gradients, similar to those obesrved in fluids full of magnetic particles as shown in so many 3D videos.

Religion, of all types, from judeism, islam to scientology are simple methods of concentrating the funds of many people into few hands, often for war or economic gain.

In short, they are ALL CON MEN and WOMEN

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05/31/2016 12:47 PM

Now THAT, is what I call throwing out the baby with the bath water! Are you Cannuks short on bath water up there? I know you could not be short on babies, are you?

After having watched the movie "RISEN", I should remind you there are no enemies here, just brothers (and sisters). As far as I will ever be concerned there is only a relationship with Jesus that matters, religion not worth all that much.

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05/31/2016 12:52 PM

Religion, the jesus cult, scientology, islam, judaism et al - none of these are worth of any respect, having made fools, suckers and martyrs of millions of people over the ages.

If you promulgate any of that ilk, you are an enemy of mankind

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05/31/2016 12:53 PM

Until you grow up, and learn to respect others, I suggest you leave off with the deleterious language, it is offensive to all, and evidence of an underdeveloped intellect. Until you learn to show equal love to all, then I suggest the following course of action for you: Shut up, hateful one!

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05/31/2016 1:14 PM

you are the one promulgating primitive religious garbage unworth of the least respect here.

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05/31/2016 1:26 PM

It is people like you that make me think invading Canada is a great idea. We will look for you first.

What exactly is it you are supposedly engineering here? Hatred and discontent?

Why don't you buzz off or something, I am trying to have a reasonable discussion with others on this forum. I do not respect you, or your opinion of me. If you think you can boss me around, come down for a visit and find out.

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05/31/2016 1:37 PM

You seem to be the combative one - a typical mumbo-jumbo warrior who feels the need for a war against the unfaithful.

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05/31/2016 1:41 PM

No, just you.

Nobody asked for your opinion, and you jumped all over my comments, and you've had your say in spades, now bug off. Besides you are you people that cram all this eastern mumbo jumbo down out throats and expect us to like it? Huh? Who died and made you gods?

I think you are all a bunch of semi-educated idiots, spewing crap all over the internet. Go drink another Molson or something.

I have better things to do than argue with a pizzant like you.

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05/31/2016 2:31 PM

Well, go do those better things

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05/31/2016 2:39 PM

Not on your orders.

I am sorry that you feel offended that there are Christians in the world, but do not be discouraged, we will all leave you some day. Then your wicked heart can do fully as it pleases. Just remember that words and actions do have consequences. You will pay for yours, and I will pay for mine. I do have regrets, just not for calling you out as a hate monger.

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05/31/2016 2:43 PM

Hate you?? I pity you!!!

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05/31/2016 2:56 PM

You need to spend more time understanding yourself, and less time worrying about, pitying me. Trust me, I will be alright after I calm down. Jesus is OK with me, and with you, even if you don't believe he lives. Know this: he who lives by the sword, will also perish by it.

I have plenty of things to busy myself with other than some fool condemning the practice of faith in God. If you have no faith, how to you build anything, and trust it to work? Would you build a bridge, then not have faith in it by walking over it?

How do you know the next meal you eat will not kill you instantly? Or that the next drink of water you take will not be equally deadly? I submit (respectfully), that you do not know, but you have an inference that food has been (relatively) safe up to this point, and water also.

As far as your country is concerned, I have less and less respect for that country every day. I have not lost anything to go hunting after in Canada or Mexico. I pity both.

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06/14/2016 8:16 AM

Ah! Now I can see your earlier comments to me in context. You think I'm a Heathen. Well, I can tell you I'm not a follower of the Northern Tradition (Druidism is more my style). As the long established gurus here will tell you, I'm a Christian...just not the sort that feels the need to bash everyone over the head to "bring them to the faith". Nor am I so closed-minded as to refuse to see the truth that exists in other paths, or to believe that Christianity, in its organised religion sense, has all the answers, or indeed any more of the truth than any other. Christ may well be "The Way, The Truth and The Life", however, I cannot prove that he actually said those words (they could have been written later by Paul et al) so I take them under advisement.

My previous posts on chakras have basically said "We don't know what we don't know." A bit like MR D Rumsfeldt (sp?). Look up Johari window.

To what do you attribute the elements of Jesus's teachings that owe more to Buddha than Abrahamic teachings? Or the theory that the "Lost Years" were spent learning Buddhist ways?

Sorry to everyone else for talking religion...however as someone on that side of the fence, I felt I should stand up for the non-fanatics...

PS: Organised religions as concentrators of wealth...a superbly succinct summary of my views.

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06/14/2016 1:46 PM

Look here, ya'll. I don't cotton to no chicken eating preacher, either. I am talking about Jesus, who is the Alpha, and the Omega, the holder of the keys of life and death, and who was, and who is alive forever more.

As Jesus would most likely say: "There are no enemies here, only brothers (and sisters)." There is nothing to be divided by or about. We do not need vast sums of money in any particular church organization.

The teachings of Jesus and the Apostles are essentially this: He is the vine, we are the branches. A branch cut off and cast aside from the vine may not live, but as long as there is a whisper of faith, the branch abides in the vine, and lives, and bears fruit. A persimmon tree will not bear apples, nor will a grape vine bear gooseberries.

I am not perfect, neither is anyone else on this planet. There are just some that think they are perfect, and have no need for forgiveness for anything. I would hate to be one of the self-deluded class. I know I need forgiveness, yesterday, today, and tomorrow. I need you to forgive me as well, as I have offended your sensibilities.

I do not particularly think the story of Jesus (His Story - History) needs to be embellished with inclusions of Buddhist teachings learned during the "Lost Years". I don't think Jesus was ever lost. Maybe there was no particular parable to teach his disciples about his years as a carpenter's son (working as a carpenter) in Nazareth. If Jesus is the true Son of God, then he already knows all he needs to know, then and now, as He is the Light of the World, not a reflection of someone else's light.

Just the way I see things, sorry if that does not jive with modernist, or ancient alien thoughts.

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06/15/2016 8:15 AM

Now that's the sort of measured religious debate that's more fun.

"Lost Years" is a modern term, I'm sure Jesus knew where he was at the time - it's us who have lost his whereabouts.

Gotta go - end for 30 min lunch....maybe more later

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05/31/2016 2:45 PM

The problem here is there are a number of people that cannot separate the difference between religious organization(s) and the belief in a higher power.

Two very different things, so..., beware of the zealots.

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Yes, religious organizations exist to extract money from people in the name of higher powers - for which there is no evidence of their existence...

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05/31/2016 2:59 PM

...and there is no evidence denying their existence either. You are riding a completely dead horse, can you not smell it?

I know all about preachers abusing their power to get money, and/or sex. I pity them, for what Jesus will do to them at the Great Judgment. Words and actions do matter. Doing nothing when others condemn my best friend also matters. Just because you say something, does not make it truth. I am a seeker of truth, so be gone, evil spirit.

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05/31/2016 3:16 PM

The line of discussion I don't believe had nothing to do with the abuse of the clergy, that is a different matter.

It has to do with the organization.

In college, one of the courses was sociology. The professor asked, to gave a definition of religion. And when around the class. It was difficult for the students, but they all gave basically the same answer which had to do with material things and objects, Church, altars, chalice, etc...

After (3) definitions I knew I had to come out with something.

When it came to me, My definition of religion was that its an organization that was set up to harnessed the actions of man, by using fear as a tool.

Professor was shocked and made me repeat it and questioned me farther.

I went on with more detail, one was control of power, influence and money.

He then stopped asking others and went back to his lecture. The look of the students was also shock.

You comment of;

Words and actions do matter.

Which brings up the question; These words and action that matter, Who do you do it for?

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05/31/2016 3:52 PM

I do not do it for any church or organization, if that is what you are asking.

Who do you do it for?

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05/31/2016 8:23 PM

Myself, again, my question is, who do you do it for?

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I am not involved in this discussion any further, as I had "issues" getting on CR4 today.

I have already stated who I serve, call it what you will. At least you have a 50% chance of being right.

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I'll leave to your preaching as opposed to your actual practice then.

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I should practice as I preach - sparingly!

Sorry for those offended by my odious remarks....this is not the platform for platitudes, or platipussi (correct term is platipode).

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05/31/2016 1:47 PM

I did not ever say that my wife's "healing power" comes from Eastern religion. Maybe it is just her own natural ability. I don't even say it works scientifically, or that it is reproducible by even her, much less others.

I am feeling more than a little combative today, so if you want a sidebar, I am your huckleberry.

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I think your wife's healing power is a gift and I'm glad she's making good use of it.

Remember that science is fact at this point in time - it's based on our knowledge and what has been proven (or is being proven). In the past, our fact base was much different - a long time ago, the world was flat! In the future, our children's children will have a different fact base. So, what we now know as true may not be in the future.

Crystals, chakras and chi? Who knows what the future holds. One thing I do know is that I'd like to see more research done into the human energy field and how it can be better used to help us live a better life.

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05/31/2016 8:23 AM

Do you understand the meaning of "throwing out the baby with the bath water"? I ask because your post above implies not. If I were TOTBWTBW, I would say the whole lot is nonsense.

I never actually said chakras and crystals work, just that I have no way or proving, even empirically to myself, that they don't. I have had experiences of Reiki, however, that made it clear to me that it's hokum.

My thesis, if it can be considered that formal, is that some physical reaction may be happening that was explained in available terms a couple of thousand years ago and that those terms have been corrupted in meaning over the years so much that if we explained to the originators what we think they we mean, they'd probably die laughing. At some point we may find the explainable reason...but would we recognise the connection?

Think of "primitive" people's descriptions of Iron Horse and Silver Bird...used because they didn't have vocabulary for trains and planes.

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05/31/2016 9:33 AM

TOTBWTBW? could not find translation

My sis does Raiki, and talks about chakras, so I see them as part of one thing. I don't see how to reject one without rejecting the other, hence, "throw out the baby, and the bath water". I see no real nuggets of value here. Sorry.

Yes, I do understand that the baby is something of real value (represents the future), and the bath water represents the past, or something used and presently of little or no further value to the matter at hand.

I don't care, by the way, if you like me or not. That is not the issue here, now is it?

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OK, it finally soaked in. I think aurizon is the only one here actually throwing out the baby, the bath water, the soap bar, the towel, and the bathroom.

My attempt at a Feynmann diagram for this whole situation:

YOU

GOD PARTICLE~~~~~~----->, +E

You can't weigh the soul of the soulless. However, one could palpably feel the sins of the self-righteous. I would not want my heart to be weighed in the scales of Annubis today, as my heart is heavy. I try to make friends, and get called, the bane of mankind, just for believing that Jesus is God? By the way, they tried long ago to wipe us all out, but we are "everywhere". So is He, by the way. Be careful what you wish for.

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She did use Reiki on me. Years ago, a friend of mine told me a story about his martial arts master. Mind you, my friend has won many martial arts contests (some sort of sword fighting) and has even been in movies, so he's well known in the field. His master has a special energy skill, where he can start a piece of paper on fire. My friend couldn't do it, but he was able to get my hand pretty warm when I placed it between his open hands.

I don't think that Reiki is a scam. I do believe there are some "unbalanced" people out there who are searching for some kind of secret, mystical treatment that will cure the unresolved psychological issues. For those, they're chasing a pipe dream! Very sad, but if it isn't the metaphysical, it would be something else.

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Glad it worked for you

Maybe I just met the charlatans in the field - after all, every field has them.

I can vouch for yoga, meditation and acupuncture.

As I was saying in Post 8, "There are more things under Heaven and Earth than are dreamed of in your philosophy, Horatio". It's not all that long ago that electricity was considered black magic! For that matter, the witches' creed is "an' it hurt none", no a bad one to live by.

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I've had acupuncture and it worked great. I thought it was non-sense until it worked on me. I had a very badly torn muscle in my right (dominant) forearm. It was pretty bad and if I did something simple like pound a few nails, the next day my arm would be in pain.

It took about 5 treatments or so, but it's better now. She told me that my body will heal itself, but the acupuncture will make my body open up bloodflow to the damaged muscle. The first treatment was in my left leg! My arm really hurt after the treatment and I thought she made it worse. Then it slowly started to heal. Exactly like she said it would.

So, I'm not a believer that there are many ancient procedures that we don't know about. Acupuncture, Yoga, Reiki, crystals, etc. Yes, at times it doesn't make sense and seems like some sort of a scam, but I figure that it's worth giving it a try. Because if it does work, then I'm better off.

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05/24/2016 9:55 AM

Placebo effect. IMHO, chakra energy, crystals, etc, is bogus.

Everything you feel is in your brain. If you think it will make you feel better, it's quite possible that it will. It's one part of the brain influencing another part.

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A good massage is hard to come by in these parts....and those parts too!

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05/24/2016 1:24 PM

Some crystals like graphite has some sort of Peizoelectric effect under pressure. You can't dismiss that though.

May be James can? I presumed.

Or may be it makes a big difference when the crystal is replaced by some uranium may be?

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Oh please do elaborate. I was aware of piezoelectric effect with quartz, not so much with graphite. A quick search mentioned a high effect for single molecular layer of graphene (not technically graphite) on quartz. There are also piezoelectric ceramics out there for various technical applications.

I have not studied the effects of high pressure on phonon cells at this point, but I have made some cell stacks using a plate and frame press, only did not apply terrific high pressure. I assume that under extreme pressure, phonon activity will be enhanced, cells will exhibit much better output conductivity, thus will demonstrate real world efficiency. There again, when dealing with waste heat, any energy recovered with a high quality factor (electric energy) is quite useful.

How does hanging a crystal on a thread and ending up with it spinning have anything to do with piezoelectricity? Please do elaborate and fill us all in.

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05/24/2016 11:19 PM

I've been encountering a lot of people who have had similar experiences. The universe is far more complex than our current scientific orthodoxy admits to. However, science is a way of figuring things out, not a fixed body of knowledge and theories. Someday the scientific mainstream will get around to admitting what the scientific fringe knows to be true and start investigating it seriously.

As for how these things work, we are like like the people of Flatland asking how the 3D universe works. We can't even see more than a cross section of an object there, let alone what kind of chemistry, physics, mathematics, and biology might be there. There must be consistencies in those fields that we might refer to as laws of physics, but the people who live there will be able to investigate those laws far better than we can.

However, what I understand is that chakras have a lot of chi flowing through them. Chi is some kind of energetic force, not to be confused with electric fields or electricity. It flows in strange ways, and it is intimately connected with life and awareness. There is dark stuff that blocks the chi flowing through the chakras, and then our senses may be dulled. It is easy to unblock the chakras, including using prayer, sound, meditation, Reiki, hypnotism, and other things.

I like to think that those things are connected to dark matter, dark energy, and other mysterious things. After all, there is far, far more dark matter than regular matter. But it could be something completely different.

The main thing I know for certain is that these things exist and affect us in many ways.

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05/25/2016 9:05 AM

Didn't they call this constipation in former times? It is good to let the "dark matter" out. Keep the dark energy to yourself, or at least go outside.

Some of "us" are fuller of "it" than others.

I just refuse take any of this seriously, if (1) it can't be weighed, (2) cannot be measured with any type of ruler or survey instrument, or telescope, or microscope, and (3) there is no sensor, electronic or otherwise to alert one to its presence or absence.

Christ persists and moves through us all, wherein we have our being. In Christ, all things hold together (in the universe). Perhaps there is your mysterious force, the glue to the fabric of space-time. Or, do as others, dismiss the Holy Bible, and through out the entire thing, just because the inspired authors had no proper words to describe some of or all of what they saw and experienced. There is evidence out there that demands a verdict - even a book on that very subject.

I had heard of (many years ago now), some sort of experiment where they had a person (who was deathly ill) on a sensitive balance, and measured some sort of weight decrease when the individual expired. The supposition this was more than the typical inhale/exhale mass change.

As to Chi, where is the Omicron? Where is the Alpha, and the Omega?

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05/28/2016 2:14 PM

I had heard of (many years ago now), some sort of experiment where they had a person (who was deathly ill) on a sensitive balance, and measured some sort of weight decrease when the individual expired.

His name was MacDougall and the supposed weight decrease was 21 grams. Only one out of six experiments yielded a "good" result, a result which has been pretty much discredited...

Reference: http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp

"It would take a great deal of credulity to conclude that MacDougall's experiments demonstrated anything about post-mortem weight loss, much less the quantifiable existence of the human soul. For one thing, his results were far from consistent, varying widely across his half-dozen test cases:

  1. "[S]uddenly coincident with death . . . the loss was ascertained to be three-fourths of an ounce."
  2. "The weight lost was found to be half an ounce. Then my colleague auscultated the heart and found it stopped. I tried again and the loss was one ounce and a half and fifty grains."
  3. "My third case showed a weight of half an ounce lost, coincident with death, and an additional loss of one ounce a few minutes later."
  4. "In the fourth case unfortunately our scales were not finely adjusted and there was a good deal of interference by people opposed to our work . . . I regard this test as of no value."
  5. "My fifth case showed a distinct drop in the beam requiring about three-eighths of an ounce which could not be accounted for. This occurred exactly simultaneously with death but peculiarly on bringing the beam up again with weights and later removing them, the beam did not sink back to stay for fully fifteen minutes."
  6. "My sixth and last case was not a fair test. The patient died almost within five minutes after being placed upon the bed and died while I was adjusting the beam."

So, out of six tests, two had to be discarded, one showed an immediate drop in weight (and nothing more), two showed an immediate drop in weight which increased with the passage of time, and one showed an immediate drop in weight which reversed itself but later recurred. And even these results cannot be accepted at face value as the potential for experimental error was extremely high, especially since MacDougall and his colleagues often had difficulty in determining the precise moment of death, one of the key factors in their experiments. (MacDougall later attempted to explain away the timing discrepancies by concluding that "the soul's weight is removed from the body virtually at the instant of last breath, though in persons of sluggish temperament it may remain in the body for a full minute.") "

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06/02/2016 3:49 PM

I don't know exactly what happened to me that day and the following week or so after, but something happened. Spinning crystal? Chakra's? Chi? Reiki? I am by no means an expert on these subjects and I've heard stories of their healing properties. I've also experienced the healing my self - nothing miraculous though. Just the ability to move energy to heal a damaged part of my body.

To me, this doesn't do anything to change my faith in God. I didn't ask the energy lady about her faith, but based my gut feeling is that she has faith in God as well. And my sister (the accupuncturist) also has faith in God.

Could the crystal be channeling energy from my body to the crystal hanging above? I don't know. Can people have healing powers without being from the dark side? I believe they can.

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06/02/2016 3:38 PM

I read your post a few times and I find it very interesting. My younger sister is a very black or white type person - she's not the one who sent me to the chakra lady. My younger sister was a CPA, then went on to website development and now she's doing accupuncture. I respect her opinions - heck, she has multiple degrees in very different fields. She told me that accupuncture does work and that energy does flow through our body. She's tried to explain it to me many times, but I didn't fully get it. She's mentioned the chi and that accupuncture removes the blockages. What I do know is that I had torn my right arm muscle/tendon (the one above and forward of the elbow) pretty badly about 5 years ago. I had her do accupuncture to heal it (back in September). After the first treatment, I thought she really damaged it (it hurt as bad as when I originally hurt it). She said she cleared the energy and that it could now heal. I came back from Chicago and had about 4-5 more treatments (here where I live) and the pain is gone. Last weekend, I put up some shelved in the garage (used my hammerdrill), tore some pallets apart (pounded on a crow bar with a hammer) and washed and waxed three of my cars (actually waxed two of them, but washed all three). My chest is sore, but my arm is fine!

I'm a results type of person, so I look at the results of the two "Eastern" energy treatments I've had and there is something there.

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06/02/2016 3:53 PM

It's either nerves or blood sugar. Sugar is the currency of the brain, and nerve impulses from the brain throughout the body carry the messages to apply energy within the cells, and nerves also carry sensory impulses to the brain. Pain is the brain's way to letting you remember you are alive, that you are no longer 20, and that you should let up on whatever is hurting you (at least for now).

Now massage, pressure point therapy, and acupuncture all do something with nerves. They may have to do with relaxing the muscles to that misaligned tendons, etc. could possibly find their naturally healed resting place. My chiropractor took my "9" level pain in my right foot/ankle from old sport injuries (such as bar fights), down to a "2".

These eastern therapies could be playing some role in re-routing signals about which muscles to tighten up, which ones are expending energy in heat (trying to heal something), and which nerves may be being pinched a bit. If it helps then it has channeled your natural body's ability to heal itself. That apparently is the "open" pathway for energy to flow.

OR maybe there be many thousand angels dancing on the heads of those acupuncture needles warding off evil spirits?

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06/02/2016 4:26 PM

I think you hit the nail on the head. I've heard it from my sister, my friend who finished the accupuncture work on my arm and the energy lady. They didn't heal me - they opened up some sort of passage which allowed my body to heal itself.

My other sister - the one who sent me to the energy lady - she's the one who believes in crystals healing the body and stuff like that. I don't believe in that sort of healing - no way. But then again, out of us three kids, she's the only one who was able to "manage" her money well enough and she's been retired for four years now. Maybe she knows something that we don't!

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06/02/2016 4:19 PM

I'd like to add one more observation I made that evening. Four to five weeks before seeing the energy lady, I had a pretty bad flu. It left me with a scratchy throat and a random cough - worse when the air was cold. When I went to my appointment, I still had the cough and scratchy throat. I noticed when I was eating dinner that night that I felt better and my throat was clear. Since then, I haven't felt the effects of the flu.

I also didn't mention that she cleared the energy using Reiki and Cranioscral therapy. I was told that Reiki is some sort of energy work where you don't touch the patient - your energy flows from their hands to your body. Craniosacral therapy has to do with bones in your skull and a rhythm. I don't consider it all hooey, but prior to the day I had the treatment, I wasn't expecting much. Let's say that I am pleasantly surprised.

To summarize, the energy work that was done on me did produce some changes in my senses and body. I do notice that some of the effects are still here - that colors are more vibrant and my eyesight is clearer (details are sharper). Music also sounds better - fuller and more pleasant. I'm also doing a better job not letting the "noise" irritate me. The rest of the changes have pretty well subsided - at least that's what I feel. I have been able to get more done and my life is more organized. Is my mind clearer? I'd say yes, but not as clear as when she did the energy work.

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