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Chocolate Transferring: Lobe Pump Issues

08/09/2007 8:17 PM

Hi I am working with a confectionery company. We are using Lobe pump for transferring chocolate to the process line. But we are facing no. of problems with these pumps. Like 1. Wear out of lobes. 2.Seal leakage 3.Timing disturbance.

Can any one give solution for this?

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Re: Chocolate transffering

08/10/2007 2:43 AM

Timing disturbance - what do you mean?

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Re: Chocolate transffering

08/13/2007 4:46 AM

Maybe you have variable time delays?

For the rest I think the comments previously given are good enough for your question.

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Re: Chocolate transffering

08/10/2007 3:16 AM

The problems seems to be

1 wear

Doubling the size of the pump(s) may result in lesser total wear. (Consult with the suppliers)

New stronger durable compounds are discovered by the day - you might consider a change.

2 - leaks

A solid conduit should not leak. Remove the need for flexible couplings.

3 changing of state while in transit.

Can the route followed in the delivery of concrete not solve the problem. That is move the mixer(s) to the point where you want it delivered.

My wifes comment - Keep up the good work. She would like to tender for preventing wastage because of 2-leaks.

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08/11/2007 12:55 AM

The leak he means is not from the conduit (pipe?), but from the seal, where the shaft gets into the pump.

Would a single screw pump (Progressive cavity pump) more suitable for this application?

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Re: Chocolate Transferring: Lobe Pump Issues

08/11/2007 6:46 AM

I have a feeling that his problems are related to the cooling of the chocolate, causing it to thicken and put too much strain on the pump and the seals.

Overheating chocolate is not good for the quality, so I might suggest that the pump and piping need to be properly insulated to reduce heat loss to a minimum, or the lost heat (carefully temperature controlled!) needs to be replaced at each step.

Of course a larger stronger pump would be helpful too....

A small heat increase at the source may be beneficial too, but make sure that it is not enough to damage the chocolate in any way shape or form.

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Re: Chocolate Transferring: Lobe Pump Issues

08/11/2007 8:14 AM

Check

The MOC of pump lobes for suitableapplication

Leakage form coupling, seals etc chekc teh MOC for the same as i n general choclate temperature is high to keep it flowable.

I don't understand the disturbance inm time . To be elaborated.

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Re: Chocolate Transferring: Lobe Pump Issues

08/11/2007 8:41 AM

why are you not using an air powered diaphram pump such as a "Wilden" or "Aro"with food grade components? the wilden pump has check balls to guarantee flow and stop it when needed- I would check with wilden regarding these.

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Re: Chocolate Transferring: Lobe Pump Issues

08/11/2007 3:17 PM

Consider a progressive cavity pump such as Moyno or equal.

Are the lobes wearing? This can only happen from erosion by the pumped product, cavitation or metal to metal contact if your timing gears are worn out (better check that chocolate for bits of metal). If the gears are worn out they may be over full of oil or the chocolate is too viscous taking more power than expected and slowly wearing the gears affecting the very sensitive timing. All these issues are eliminated with a progressive cavity pump.

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Re: Chocolate Transferring: Lobe Pump Issues

08/11/2007 9:43 PM

As a chocoholic, I think you have found the ideal job.

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Re: Chocolate Transferring: Lobe Pump Issues

08/13/2007 8:05 AM

Chocolate pump wear is normal. The chocolate is mildly abrasive, and over time erosion does take it's toll.

Normally we will not run a chocolate pump any faster than 100 rpm.

Various types of sealing are used. Anything from a packed gland, single o'ring,

double o'ring with cocoa butter barrier, or double mechanical seals with cocoa butter barrier.

Your timing is manually and mechanically set. If timing is off, either bearings are wearing, or it's because the pump was not properly shimmed (timed) during assembly to start with.

For further assistance feel free to give me a call.

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08/13/2007 8:21 AM

It is excellent to have so much distinguished people in forum having experience in confectionary and chocolate. Appreciate if contact numbers/ address are sent to email- shivaram.prasad@ap.csplc.com.

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08/13/2007 8:27 AM

Sometimes it becomes difficult to design a pump for chocolate applications. As Rheology and power curve which is most of the times difficult to find and in general taken by experience. The chocolate is not a newtonian fluid and hence do not follow conventional design.Just would like to know the source where it is possible to get Rhelogy properties/power curvefor selection of pump for given flow.

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08/13/2007 9:40 AM

You must put full knowledge of the fluid onto the pump data sheet and pass on the risk to the pump company. And check references. there is no substitute for voice contact with all references. This is where you will learn.

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Re: Chocolate Transferring: Lobe Pump Issues

08/14/2007 6:40 AM

Change to a peristaltic hose pump for abrasive product.

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Re: Chocolate Transferring: Lobe Pump Issues

08/14/2007 8:50 AM

The issue is not only the 'abrasive pumpage'...

The pumpage in this case the thick chocolate paste has to get into the tube by the flexibility/rigidity of the tube. Though a higher suction pressure might help, the high 'viscosity' of the fluid might hamper the free entry into the tube.

So, for this application, a peristaltic pump's hose might remain pressed all the time and give a low throughput.

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