Blame Climate Change

It must really suck to feel so persecuted on all these forums that you try to enlighten with your wisdom and knowing you are really right all the time.

Burn a tire for me and don't take yourself too seriously. I don't.

"OT'ed to bits" again, by the same two lunkheads.

Bring your A game next time.

I'm not even in this game and it's rare I use OT's to begin with.

GA's to offset wrongly placed OT's is about the only voting I do and even that's rare.

Is that an implicit confession?

Yes.

I confess thinking the whole voting concept is silly at best and I have made many more GA votes to undo wrongfully applied OT's to what I felt were decent relevant answer than I ever have used OT's for anything or than I have ever outrightly given a GA vote for any reason.

I do that too.

Here you go. A GA to offset an OT someone gave me today on another thread. Oh! Looks like I already did.

There's pitifully little money from government going toward climate research and with the new adminstration, there's likely to be even less.

That's where you are wrong... there is plenty of money in more indirect ways. And then end up evaporating...

The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:

1. Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
2. SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3. Solyndra ($535 million)*
4. Beacon Power ($43 million)*
5. Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
6. SunPower ($1.2 billion)
7. First Solar ($1.46 billion)
8. Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
9. EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
10. Amonix ($5.9 million)
11. Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
12. Abound Solar ($400 million)*
13. A123 Systems ($279 million)*
14. Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
15. Johnson Controls ($299 million)
16. Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
17. ECOtality ($126.2 million)
18. Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
19. Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
20. Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
21. Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
22. Range Fuels ($80 million)*
23. Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
24. Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
25. Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
26. GreenVolts ($500,000)
27. Vestas ($50 million)
28. LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
29. Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
30. Navistar ($39 million)
31. Satcon ($3 million)*
32. Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
33. Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

I won't call that pitiful little money... maybe a liberal would, but I wouldn't.

OK, let's look at #15. Johnson Controls - right now we are looking at Congress {finally} doing something beneficial about taxation rates on large, medium, and small businesses, and Speaker Ryan feels comfortable about the thermostat setting (pun on Johnson Controls) for the business climate in Wisconsin.

Johnson Controls is currently headquartered in Ireland, but formerly was in Wisconsin.

If they pull HQ back, it does not necessarily mean more jobs, but if their products continue to be highly competitive in their market, they will prosper and gain more market share. This will mean more jobs. Having a healthier corporate tax rate means that they will be more able to afford R&D jobs which is good for engineering.

Right now, I just want to see every good American that wants to support his/her family to be able to get a good job, get better wages in the months ahead, and be able to take their place in the American Dream.

America is far from over. It is time to roll up sleeves, and light the after-burners.

Besides, if Johnson Controls goes out of business, then Earth's climate will suffer, because Santa will not be able to find a replacement thermostat.

I'm sorry, is this about climate or economy... I know they are connected.... but my post was about the opinion that there's little money in green energy.

This companies had research also, And with the poor business plan these companies had... its ridicules. unless the business plan was to scalp the government (American Taxpayer), then... mission accomplished!

Insulation and controls are the greenest energy. It don't get no more greener than energy saved.

I saw instantly where you were going with that, and I have to agree, there are more carpet-baggers than statesmen in "green" energy.

Some renewable energy firms are working hardly, and others are hardly working.

But you have to challenge me... or discussion has no purpose....

Yes, I agree about Insulation and controls.

Also, I did realize Johnson Controls moved... and I'm from Wisconsin.

Well, the idea is to get folks like the good people at Johnson Controls to sit their butts back in America, and get to making money over here.

Nothing against Ireland. They also do great things over there, and gave us Lucky Charms Cereal, too! Magically Delicious, so I am told.

I actually like Ireland for a number of reason... a good business environment... (reason why Johnson Controls move there, compared to Wisconsin, at the time a poor business climate, but that's changing) So,... they a slim chance they would move back... Master Lock did.

And the other thing I like about Ireland is they did not declare bankruptcy, instead that got conservative and tried to get their finances in order. Something, a more liberal government would never do.

It felt colder than Mars here in Lubbock, and red sand along with sleet was seen blowing across the street. There is life in Lubbock, not so much on Mars, so far.

I think we must be having climate change, because all the climate dollars were burned for heat over the weekend.

And, if Texas weather has any say about it, next week we'll be running the AC.

How do you explain this??

The editor used to add the big label to the annotated image had text capability?

They were sold out of Land Rovers and Humvee vehicles. I would hate to see some silly poop driving that around Loop 289 to the I-27 in or on that thing. Traffic would be backed up, just because no one would want to pass it?

Lets use the old cliche - WE CAN ALL AGREE TO DISAGREE. EITHER WAY WE ARE BOTH RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Especially if we both shout loud enough! At least our lungs will be clear while we starve to death while freezing in the cold dark.

I say drill here, drill now, frack here, frack now, and put all those other oil producing places that foment hatred and discontent out of the business. OPEC, who's that?

We have this new Wolf Camp formation here in West Texas/Eastern New Mexico that will totally dwarf the original finds related to the Permian Basin. Drill it!

Well actually, it's quite common that one or more of the people disagreeing is actually factually wrong but doesn't know it.

Like pitting common popular belief against real proven technical or scientific fact.

Just because something's popular doesn't make it equally true to being a fact, meaning that if that's what the disagreement is based on then yes, one person is in fact wrong!

Well, just because your opinion doesn't agree with someone else's is certainly no assurance to anyone else that your opinion is the correct one.

You talk a good story, but that's all it is is talk.

You are entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.

Your opinion is that you claim to know it all when it comes to pollution.

Mine is different.

This horse stinks to high Heaven.

But, I'm not blaming global warming.

Let me have the last word in this!

Since radiating gasses are the major component to cool the atmosphere, the discussion if they are warming the atmosphere is moot.

I find it very interesting that nobody has mentioned the 800-lb gorilla in the room - the fact that we are still emerging from a major glaciation that ended approximately 11000 years ago, and covered half of the Northern Hemisphere with ice sheets up to a mile thick.

Unless we are descending into another glaciation, the overall trend of temperature SHOULD be up, and it is as an overall TREND.

There are so many factors involved in the warming and cooling of the Earth that this thread or even this Forum is not large enough to deal with them.

Plus there is the added fact that the more we learn, the more we realize the there is still more we don't know or understand.

Nobody wants to talk about that fact or the water vapor contribution range and rate of response time either. In fact there are a lot of things the believers side does not want to talk about and considers irrelevant to their cause (whenever they don't play out like the predicted).

The primary things the believers side seems to have as a defense or source of proof is the statistically derived 'Average Annual Mean Temperature Value' and CO2 level when they go up. (when they don't in any given time frame that doesn't count then too.)

Those two values are to mean everything yet what they are built on and from is to be considered irrelevant being that data is weather/location based and as Lyn clearly stated whether and location has no bearing on climate or climate data even if it's the very basis of what defines the climate and what every single data point is taken from and same with the method of statistical analysis. Only methods that give the wanted result are valid. Anything that shows contrary or more accurate and precise reference to such things as the when and where factors don't count either.

I don't get it either. We were told for years that all these terrible weather related things were supposed to have happened by now all over the world and none of them came true. In fact most everything went the opposite but I am told that's irrelevant now because that just weather and not climate and doesn't mean anything.

Don't mind the 800 pound gorilla or the elephant. They don't count because there are only two of them and two of anything isn't of much value in statistics.

I like the way you think - Big Picture.

I just hope we never manage to disrupt the Arctic conveyor belt currents that dump the correct amount of cold saline water into the global conveyor belt deep currents.

I like the way you think - open mind.

That disruption of the Arctic conveyor belt currents may just be ONE of the causes of periodic glaciations that affect the planet.

As I noted it appears that there are other factors involved in bring about glacial periods.

We may be just beginning to get a fuller understanding of some of the other contributory causes.