Previous in Forum: Dodge Ram Electrical Problem   Next in Forum: Finding 94 Honda Civic LX 4 Dr Trim Parts
Close
Close
Close
Page 2 of 2: « First < Prev 1 2 Last »
Rate Comments: Nested
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Stoke-on-Trent, UK
Posts: 4496
Good Answers: 137

Modern Cars

05/08/2017 7:53 AM

As nobody has posted much in Transportation for a while, I thought I’d have a rant about something. Why do many new cars, specially the more up-market ones, have pushbutton start rather than by a key? Up until the 60s cars had pushbutton start, then key start came in. I can’t remember whether steering locks came in at the same time, or whether some early ones had key start, remote from the column, so no steering lock, but both were an improvement IMO. Do car makers think we’ve been nostalgic for pushbutton start all these years, and they’re doing us a favour bringing it back?

Of course on modern cars there’s a fob that goes into a slot on the fascia, enabling the electronics and allowing the car to be started. I assume there’s still a steering lock, operated electromagnetically as the fob slot is remote from the steering column. But the electronics can be hacked remotely, allowing thieves to drive away. It’s reported that in London you can’t get insurance for a posh car, and the police routinely stop them as they think there’s a good chance it’s been stolen. At least with a mechanical steering lock you need the key to drive it, even if you’ve hacked the remote central locking and got into the car.

And is there a risk of a lost contact causing the steering lock to engage as you’re driving along?

Sounds like a backward step to me, on a par with space-saver spares, run-flat tyres etc.

__________________
Give masochists a fair crack of the whip
Register to Reply
Interested in this topic? By joining CR4 you can "subscribe" to
this discussion and receive notification when new comments are added.

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Guru

Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 8006
Good Answers: 286
#120
In reply to #117
Find in discussion

Re: Modern Cars

11/23/2017 8:24 PM

I didn't really move the goal posts. You were responding to a comment which contained

"...I do believe that what typically holds people back from gaining more knowledge (becoming more educated) has more to do with a lack of sufficient desire (comfort/complacency) than lack of opportunity...."

.

Now, I am for putting the resources at people disposal amd giving them a chance to self educate.

I am also realistic about common attitudes and the prevalence of sedentary lifestyles, both physical and mental.

....but wait, there is more, that previous sentence is not notification that I see no reason to attempt to change that reality. I'm strongly and actively in support of encouraging new interests and prodding curiosity. I think it is right up there with (and in fact an integral part of) encouraging autonomy and applauding the questioning of authority, i.e. self respect.

__________________
Eternal vigilance is the price of knowledge. - George Santayana
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: by the beach in Florida
Posts: 33392
Good Answers: 1817
#19
In reply to #16
Find in discussion

Re: Modern Cars

05/08/2017 2:08 PM

__________________
All living things seek to control their own destiny....this is the purpose of life
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: About 4000 miles from the center of the earth (+/-100 mi)
Posts: 9912
Good Answers: 1141
#24
In reply to #16
Find in discussion

Re: Modern Cars

05/08/2017 3:49 PM

Well, you can connect to the obd2 yourself

Register to Reply
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member Engineering Fields - Chemical Engineering - Old Hand

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Lubbock, Texas
Posts: 14331
Good Answers: 162
#26
In reply to #24

Re: Modern Cars

05/08/2017 4:13 PM

That is a steal at $19.99, but I was hoping they would throw in a Bass-O-Matic to sweeten up the deal a little.

__________________
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just build a better one.
Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Mechanical Engineering -

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1651
Good Answers: 71
#51
In reply to #24

Re: Modern Cars

05/09/2017 11:19 AM

Yes, that looks like a good device, if it works. Reading the reviews many people had problems with it. Others that amazon showed were cheaper or more expensive but none I looked at were the type of thoroughly tested product you would expect from the manufacturer.

My point was, why do I have to go through the hoops to get this data? Why can't they just supply a USB port I can connect to with a common connector used in millions of products?

Drew K

__________________
Question: What is going on with the American's Government? Response: Who is John Galt?
Register to Reply
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member Engineering Fields - Chemical Engineering - Old Hand

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Lubbock, Texas
Posts: 14331
Good Answers: 162
#52
In reply to #51

Re: Modern Cars

05/09/2017 11:23 AM

Why do car sellers push the lease deals when you just want to buy a car? If you do.

I have never leased, and do not intend to.

__________________
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just build a better one.
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: May 2006
Location: Placerville, CA (38° 45N, 120° 47'W)
Posts: 6215
Good Answers: 248
#54
In reply to #51

Re: Modern Cars

05/09/2017 11:59 AM

I have a similar device, called FIXD, which connects to an app on my iPhone. It has worked correctly the few times I have used it, on 3 cars of 2 different brands. It too requires some internet searching on at least some codes. It did correctly identify a problem with the injector on the #4 cylinder of my VWTDI, as well as other more minor issues.

I believe it was around $25 (said to be an introductory price, or was it a pre-release crowd-funding price?) around a year ago...

__________________
Teaching is a great experience, but there is no better teacher than experience.
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Stoke-on-Trent, UK
Posts: 4496
Good Answers: 137
#27
In reply to #16
Find in discussion

Re: Modern Cars

05/08/2017 4:14 PM

Your first link confirms what I was saying about the London police stopping high-value cars. I still think an ordinary steering lock would make thieves' lives more difficult, whether remote central locking (with a plipper) or proximity.

Why do I have to go to a shop to get trouble codes read? You don't, you can buy a code reader for about £20 and get the codes' meanings from the internet.

Why can't I connect a computer to my own car and download information it records of my driving and anything else it might record? That would be useful if it were just standalone. It's the internet connections as described in your interesting link that's the potential problem. Makes me wary of buying a newer car, though I'll soon be due for one.

__________________
Give masochists a fair crack of the whip
Register to Reply Score 1 for Good Answer
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member Engineering Fields - Chemical Engineering - Old Hand

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Lubbock, Texas
Posts: 14331
Good Answers: 162
#29
In reply to #27

Re: Modern Cars

05/08/2017 4:19 PM

I fully intend to hang onto my 2001 Chevy Silverado until the wheels fall off. Based on the imminent failure of the shocks (ride is getting really, really bumpy), and the wheel roar I think I am hearing, it might not be much longer now.

What next? There is always the junker car dealers. There are parts houses eager to sell parts. There seems to be a lack of good "re-work" mechanics that will convert your old ride into something worth having again. Big caveat: if the wiring harness is going bad, just forget it, and find a new ride.

__________________
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just build a better one.
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 859
Good Answers: 33
#63
In reply to #29

Re: Modern Cars

05/09/2017 1:08 PM

Doing the same with my 1999 Tahoe with the original 350...2nd engine, but still runs..

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: South of Minot North Dakota
Posts: 8376
Good Answers: 775
#31
In reply to #27

Re: Modern Cars

05/08/2017 8:41 PM

From every chat I have ever had with any local cop to state highway patrol in my life the #1 way to not get pulled over for looking suspicious (IE not looking like you might actually own such vehicle) is to look like the type who might actually own it!

That is to say, everyone of us whether we think about it or not tends to dress and present ourselves with a sort of social uniform that designates our likely group affiliations.

So if you look like some tatooed shifty eyed greasy ghetto thug while driving your $100+K luxury sports car around, Guess what? You look like the type who most often steals those types of cars and thusly are going to get pulled over for looking suspiciously like the type who would have stolen it.

Now on the other hand if you present yourself like me you could likely steal a $250 - $500+K piece of high end farm or construction machinery and drive it anywhere you want and every law enforcement officer you see will probably smile and wave at you as you go by!

Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Stoke-on-Trent, UK
Posts: 4496
Good Answers: 137
#33
In reply to #31

Re: Modern Cars

05/09/2017 4:11 AM

I like it, but I'd also like to think most thieves would have the wit not to look like a typical car thief when driving off in a high-end Merc!

__________________
Give masochists a fair crack of the whip
Register to Reply
Power-User

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Maritimes
Posts: 264
Good Answers: 2
#41
In reply to #31

Re: Modern Cars

05/09/2017 8:40 AM

Hmmm. Now that you mention it, the Cat 797b had push button start. As I recall things, I had to enter my operator number which was verified by Caterpillar Central, somewhere in the sky. No verification, no start!

They would also log and 'comment' on overweights and over speeds in real time - also from afar.

There was NO privacy, For a private driving experience I have a 2008 Kia. It doesn't even have BBluetooth! They still used keys back then. Hopefully I can get another 150k out of her.

__________________
Out in a Bowt
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 859
Good Answers: 33
#61
In reply to #16
Find in discussion

Re: Modern Cars

05/09/2017 1:04 PM

Still have a 20 year old G-Shock Casio watch, that has had only one battery replacement, and I have surfed and dived with it all of those years, including my aquatic workouts at the gym. In between those activities , I was in Construction for those years, lots of carpentry and boat building, wearing said watch. No leaks, no breakage, except for replacing 2 wrist bands, which thankfully, an official Casio store will carry in stock, and install for free.

Register to Reply
Guru
Popular Science - Weaponology - New Member Safety - ESD - New Member Hobbies - Fishing - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Near Frankfurt am Main, Germany. 50.390866N, 8.884827E
Posts: 17996
Good Answers: 200
#66

Re: Modern Cars

05/09/2017 1:44 PM

I have to agree it's a backwards step with some cars I have driven over the last 10 years or so.

If you ever need to "get away fast," needing both key and button on some earlier versions, plus an electric handbrake, DUUHHH!!

I know that if I was in the market for a new car, I would definitely not take the electric handbrake; whether or not I would take the button start would depend upon how good the transducer worked.

On a few new cars it works quite well, I find.....

__________________
"What others say about you reveals more about them, than it does you." Anon.
Register to Reply
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Engineering Fields - Marine Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Vancleave, Ms about 30 miles inland from Biloxi and the coast
Posts: 3197
Good Answers: 106
#74

Re: Modern Cars

05/10/2017 11:30 AM

Push button starting was/is used on racing cars. It is a marketing ploy directed towards the "race car" mentality.

__________________
Mr.Ron from South Ms.
Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member Fans of Old Computers - Commodore 64 - New Member Popular Science - Evolution - New Member United States - Member - New Member

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Illinois, 7 county region (The 'blue dot' that drags the rest of the 'red state' around during presidential elections.)
Posts: 3683
Good Answers: 89
#75
In reply to #74

Re: Modern Cars

05/10/2017 11:46 AM

"It is a marketing ploy directed towards the "race car" mentality."

Ah, they're trying to cash in on the NASCAR fans, are they? Considering how the media depicts the typical NASCAR fan, can they AFFORD these new 'race-car start' vehicles?

(Self-marking as OT because some NASCAR fans might take offense.)

__________________
( The opinions espressed in this post may not reflect the true opinions of the poster, and may not reflect commonly accepted versions of reality. ) (If you are wondering: yes, I DO hope to live to be as old as my jokes.)
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member Engineering Fields - Chemical Engineering - Old Hand

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Lubbock, Texas
Posts: 14331
Good Answers: 162
#76
In reply to #75

Re: Modern Cars

05/10/2017 12:13 PM

Maybe it is an alien selective breeding program. That is what cars are for, n'est ce pas?

The whole thing about being crushed by nefarious car seat programming is a bad spin on eating too many fast food french fries from foreign flabby fencer of french fries.

__________________
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just build a better one.
Register to Reply Off Topic (Score 5)
Guru
Technical Fields - Technical Writing - New Member Engineering Fields - Marine Engineering - New Member

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Vancleave, Ms about 30 miles inland from Biloxi and the coast
Posts: 3197
Good Answers: 106
#77

Re: Modern Cars

05/10/2017 12:25 PM

My first car was a 1952 MGTD. It had a "pull" start knob and also had a hand crank, something I needed to use at times. Of course you wouldn't be able to turn over modern engines with a hand crank.

__________________
Mr.Ron from South Ms.
Register to Reply
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member Engineering Fields - Chemical Engineering - Old Hand

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Lubbock, Texas
Posts: 14331
Good Answers: 162
#78
In reply to #77

Re: Modern Cars

05/10/2017 1:18 PM

At least we don't start cars with those old shotgun shell looking starter rounds. You only get as many tries as you have cartridges, so watch that start and stop traffic, if you have to shut down for a spell.

Works well in older radial engine lifter aircraft.

__________________
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just build a better one.
Register to Reply
Guru
Engineering Fields - Electrical Engineering - New Member Fans of Old Computers - Commodore 64 - New Member Popular Science - Evolution - New Member United States - Member - New Member

Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Illinois, 7 county region (The 'blue dot' that drags the rest of the 'red state' around during presidential elections.)
Posts: 3683
Good Answers: 89
#79
In reply to #78

Re: Modern Cars

05/10/2017 3:57 PM

"Works well in older radial engine lifter aircraft."

Well, you also aren't 'shutting those engines down for a spell' midflight. They can have a stock of those shells at every base you land at, heck, each base could stock more of those shells than the plane could hoist into the air, so that's not a big drawback in that scenario.

__________________
( The opinions espressed in this post may not reflect the true opinions of the poster, and may not reflect commonly accepted versions of reality. ) (If you are wondering: yes, I DO hope to live to be as old as my jokes.)
Register to Reply
Guru

Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Deepest Darkest Rutherford Oz
Posts: 951
Good Answers: 145
#80

Re: Modern Cars

05/10/2017 11:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8avOiTUcD4Y

Nobody has mentioned the ultimate in vehicle security systems. The Trunk Monkey, ok so you get kinda attached to them and they may get a bit surely if you don't look after them properly but gee they're effective..

__________________
There are two reasons for a man to do a thing, One that sounds good, and the real one...
Register to Reply
Guru
Safety - Hazmat - New Member United States - US - Statue of Liberty - New Member Engineering Fields - Chemical Engineering - Old Hand

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Lubbock, Texas
Posts: 14331
Good Answers: 162
#82
In reply to #80

Re: Modern Cars

05/11/2017 11:05 AM

Man, that Trunk Monkey has us all in stitches over here! You can't beat that with an automaton! Besides even that, Trunk Monkeys have a sharp sense of humor, and keen sense of danger.

__________________
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Just build a better one.
Register to Reply
Active Contributor

Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 15
#88

Re: Modern Cars

11/08/2017 3:46 AM

I perfer cars with traditional keys. Push button can cause more problem than they are worth.

Register to Reply
Register to Reply Page 2 of 2: « First < Prev 1 2 Last »

"Almost" Good Answers:

Check out these comments that don't yet have enough votes to be "official" good answers and, if you agree with them, vote them!
Copy to Clipboard

Users who posted comments:

adreasler (11); Andy Germany (3); C-Mac (5); Codemaster (14); dkwarner (8); Drew K (4); IanR (1); IronWoman (1); James Stewart (24); JBTardis (1); JohnDG (3); Jpfalt (1); Kevin LaPaire (1); MACA (1); Mike W (1); Nigh (8); ozzb (1); RAMConsult (1); redfred (6); Rixter (2); ronseto (2); snowboy (1); SolarEagle (3); tcmtech (4); terrapin (1); theodon (1); Tobugrynbak (1); truth is not a compromise (13); Usbport (1)

Previous in Forum: Dodge Ram Electrical Problem   Next in Forum: Finding 94 Honda Civic LX 4 Dr Trim Parts

Advertisement