The Negative Stigma of Seriously Discussing UFOs

I'll leave the religious speculation to others.

Ohhh, I agree! It isn't consistent.

If you saw some lights in the sky you could not explain and believe aliens ships have visited Earth, then....

...you are a nutjob.

....but...

If you believe a preacher came back to life after being killed; that his death gets you off the hook for all the misdeeds you have committed (as well as some you didn't commit but are still somehow on the hook for); and that when the club leaders say magic words over your cracker and wine once per week those things turn into that re-dead preachers flesh and blood in your mouth (making you some sort of vampire for a zombie) then...

...you aren't a nutjob...

...you are just a Catholic.

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(_{By the way, I wrote 'redead' out of respect for Christians who believe Christ paid with his life so that they may avoid eternal damnation. If Christ isn't dead, then he didn't actually pay for all those sins with him s life and all those poor people have been giving their praises to someone who didn't sacrifice there only son for them....Sacrifice means you don't stll have it. You don't sacrifice your children every time you put them together be. They will awaken in the morning.)}

12,000 years ago you say man first appeared. I wonder who made that rope 28,000 years ago or who made those paleolithic flutes 42,000 years ago? Remember, both of those artifacts were measured to be that old.

Good question. The Sumerians say the Anunaki were here for thousands of years before. One group in the middle east and one in South Africa. The one in Africa was only recently discovered by people studying Google Earth. The middle Eastern one was in and around Syria and Iraq.

The one in Africa is estimated to be 200,000 yrs old. So, your guess is as good as mine.

Recent Carbon dating of Denisovans molars are 420,000 years and heidelbergensis bone fragments 800,000 - 1000,000 years old.

our education system could improve , the truth is not just out there , it is within us.

Carbon-14 dating is limited to about 50,000 years - there seems to be something incorrect in your information.

Mitochondrial mtDNA

(Meyer 2012 and Reich 2010)

some references suggest Denisovans as much as 800,000 years ago

depends who you read :)

No, it doesn’t depend on whom I read, the radioactive decay rate of ¹⁴C is well established, and radiocarbon dating is only accurate to a time frame of approx 50,000 years ago.

Perhaps some other dating technique was used? Can you advise?

What it is that I am telling you is, if your source is claiming to have carbon-dated mitochondrial DNA to 800,000 years, there is a serious flaw in the data stream. Can you fix it?

You have a sound question that I think I can explain. The dating technique used on Denisovan bone fragments is based on examining the mutation rate of mitochondria (aka Human mitochondrial molecular clock) DNA, mtDNA. This technique is cross referenced and verified with the more accurate ¹⁴C decay using younger tissue sample like mummies.

The bones of Lucy were dated back 3,200,000 years by the indirect method of dating the deposits above and below the layer containing her bones. Her bones are the most complete skeleton remains but nothing considered original, dateable tissue remained in her bones.

In his book "Physics of the Impossible" Michio Kaku discusses briefly how mankind has probably been almost wiped out on many occasions by catastrophic events such as volcanoes, meteor impacts and ice ages. When Creationists claim vehemently that the Earth is only 6,000 years old, could this merely be a time when mankind got "restarted" from a small population of survivors, after yet another wipeout? Yet artifacts and body parts from previous civilizations would still be intact awaiting discovery by geologists. That mankind has evolved over 100's of thousands of years could be completely false. We could just be the latest and most advanced batch so far.

Gene studies have shown that humanity was nearly wiped out 150,000 years ago. I would not be at all surprised to find out tribal storytelling of this ancient catastrophe and other less dramatic mishaps are the root of the misdated Creationist claims. But how does one prove or disprove such a claim?

Thanks - interesting link. "Down to possibly 2,000 individuals." A close shave.

The fear of UFO's come from the understanding that if we were in the flying saucer and found Earth We would immediately attempt to conquer and harvest all the resources and exterminate the indigenous population. Can't imagine why egocentrism could have a down side.

So says Stephen Hawking.

Well, agreeing with arguably the smartest man on the planet is probably not a bad bet.

And then there is A.C. Clarke's take in Childhood's End. That the appreance of the aliens was so disturbing and profound that it travels backward through time in our DNA encoded racial memory coloring our entire history.

(personally I think he stated it that way because claiming the disturbance traveled forward in time but ended up in our past was just too much for folks to handle.)

I think we would all agree that IF an alien civilization is advance enough to travel to this tiny speck, and IF they did choose to come here, and IF they wanted to take our marbles away from us, there's not a thing we could do about it.

Secondly, we spew billions of bits of electromagnet signals across the spectrum from 80% of the surface of the Earth every second of every day.

People, they already know we're here, if they exist in our time.

We're talking light years, and light years for our hodge-podge of electromagnetic pollution to reach the nearest planet, if it is inhabited.

I'd worry about all the crap that is taking place right here, right now, and let the aliens take care of themselves.

Amen to that! We got some problems and IF they are here, they know it too. If I was them, I would be worried about us bringing nukes and war into space. Now we have a space command thanks to our dear leader...

The Air Force has had a Space Command branch since the 80's.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Force_Space_Command

Why? What are they flying?

UFO's!!!

One thing they appear to be flying is the x37b.

Maybe one of his few remaining aides should let trump know!

As stated, we have discussed this sort of thing before. I find this fascinating: Two respected CR4 members happened to be in the same place at the same time and offer vastly different first person accounts:

https://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/64160/Credible-UFO-Testimony

Comment #18, then comment #30, then #39.

[edit] I went back and read again, now I’m not sure what is being said. Judge for yourselves, I guess.