Searl Effect Generator

Funny post. I especially enjoyed the irony in the name of the "Veritas Show". As if truth had anything to do with it!

I have an idea that I wanted to run past you for Searl's success.

Searl has not yet made it to Wikipedia's list of famous faudsters, perhaps because his perpetual motion, anti-gravity and health benefit claims for his imaginary device are a bit too far over-the-top to be taken seriously. For most reasonably-educated people of average intelligence, his site evokes only laughter. It is unlikely that Searl (and his promoters) will be successful enough as con men to make the list of famous scammers. The successful fraudsters always have a hook into reality, which Searl lacks. He's been at it a very long time, but has still has no really impressive fraud conviction against him.

Unlike Searl, most of the scammers on the list in Wikipedia appeared many times in legitimate news outlets, and many appeared in news articles which were generally praiseworthy... and then later in articles condemning them. It is obvious to everyone here (with the possible exception of you) that even legitimate news coverage has nothing to do with the plausibility of a concept. Appearances on the wacko sites you have mentioned, however, tend to undermine credibility, rather than reinforce it. (This makes me wonder if you are something of a double agent type, trying to discredit Searl.)

I wonder if there may be a better approach for Searl: Following in the footsteps of Frank Abignale* comes to mind. If Searl "came clean" he could perhaps gain some prominence as an exposer of fraud, rather than as a perpetrator. As a perpetrator, he seems to come up short -- as you have shown, the media attention he gets is only at the absolute lunatic fringe end of the spectrum. But with the right handlers, he could perhaps gain some traction on the good side of the law. This may seem implausible to you, but try to give it some thought.

I gather you know him personally. To me he comes across as possibly demented. Is he that way in person? Do you think his image could be polished up a little, so that he could serve a role like Frank Abignale does? Any idea what sort of money were are talking about? I understand he was convicted of petty crime, but the story would play better if he was really making some good money, bilking investors... and then goes over to the good side. I think for him to make real money from the switch from "evil" to "good" we'd want to portray him as a serious scammer making some big bucks. But I'm sure there are other possibilities... we can do some brainstorming, maybe.

Any feel for the feasibility of this? Do you think this could be a movie story like "Catch Me If You Can?" Searl is no spring chicken, so if you think there could be an opportunity here, now would be the time to act, I'd think.

I submit this with utmost respect, for your serious consideration. There could be some money in this for you too, if you could act as a Searl/Hollywood go between.

Let me know what you think, and perhaps we can bat the concept around a little, "run it up the flagpole, and see who salutes."

* The famous fraud who went to work for the FBI.

You share a lack of knowledge of the history of powered flight that others who are enamored of scams share. Only absolute nitwits of the day thought "that no object heavier than air could not fly", because heavier than air flight had already been achieved before the Wright brothers flew. This brief piece from Scientific American will help to bring you back closer to reality.

If you want to refine your promotion technique for this scam, you should come up with stuff that has not already been used so many times by promoters of fraud. There is hardly any HHO, magnet motor, perpetual motion machine, fuel line magnet, turbinator, throttle body groover, etc. fraudster who does not mention the Wright brothers.

"...There is hardly any...fraudster who does not mention the Wright brothers..."

The usual news-flash is "the Wright brothers faced their contemporaries' skepticism just like our invention presented here, and it means that our invention will soar like theirs"

This is simply flawed logic. Much like their naive attempt to "circumvent" the known laws of physics

There seems to be an entire alternative universe out there: a pseudoscientific one where Tesla plays the part of Einstein, and its history is written by pig-ignorant tabloid journalists. It even has its own iconic photographs, like the one where all of the world's most notorious perpetual-motion pushers posed together with Jim Carrey. The irony that he was in the middle of filming Dumb and Dumber at the time is, of course, lost on them.

As others have pointed out, you should read the real history of flight before making a fool of yourself. I might just add that Cayley had flown gliders about a century before, and that pre-Wrights miniature aircraft had set distance records that were held almost up to the modern era of military spy-planes. Nobody doubted that heavier-than-air flight was possible, and the apparently contrary statements by certain scientists are taken out of context; they were usually referring to man-powered, flapping flight or other truly bird-like flight. In the end, the key to manned flight was not the plane but the motor.

I am surprised that you did not mention Columbus. But perhaps news has seeped through to you that the 'falling off the edge of the world' story was started as a joke by Washington Irving and that one thing that Columbus could have taken with him was a map of the known world in the form of a globe! Yes, they were already on sale.

The Einstein story is a complete fabrication. Nobody 'in the know' was surprised by special relativity. Indeed, Poincare came very close to getting to it first. OTOH, Einstein has acquired his own fallacious tabloid-style biography. He did, not, for instance invent black holes, space-time, mass-energy equivalence nor even the curvature of space as an explanation for gravity. Neither was E=mc^2 crucial for the construction of atomic weapons. He is a victim of what is known as 'The Matthew Effect' among real scientists.

Well, we don't have to ask where you get your stupid ideas. You see, the pseudoscientific universe also has its own book-trade and web-sites.

Everyone should invest in the Searl sffect. It is a truly great technology. Listen to the interviews on swallow command. Website is www.swallowcommand.com . Searl is a truly honest guy. When you hear him talk it is like talking to an angel. People should donate money to building the SEG. Go Searl Go. You can make it.

There is no Searl effect. There is therefore no associated technology. The interviews on swallowcommand serve only to demonstrate how alien real science is to apparently educated members of society. The site itself can be viewed as being a come-on for a criminal investment scheme, as pernicious in its way as a pyramid-selling or Ponzi scam. It is hard to see Searl as being honest because, even if the SEG existed, he would still be guilty of forgery, desertion of a military post, theft and criminal damage. You hear an angel? An illiterate, uneducated and uncouth one? One who can lie fluently for up to ten hours continuously? As for donating money to crackpot schemes. Well, why not? After all, the UK government has already wasted taxpayers money on backing an equally stupid concept: the Emdrive. But the Emdrive at least exists.

When you hear him talk it is like talking to an angel.

I don't doubt that, or the fantastic message of hope and advancement he is trying to get across. I doubt any amount of logic or evidence from the rest of the scientific or engineering community would convince you otherwise.

No one here is stopping you from investing your money in him, you are more then welcome to. As for the rest of the real scientists and engineers here, we will hold on to ours as giving it away to a scam artist peddling a scientifically unproven, pseudoscience over unity device is counterproductive.

I am sorry for calling Searl a crook. I now believe Keshe after listening to radio shows of him. i believe he is one of the genuine free energy and antigravity guys around. The reason i called him a crook was because i was going through a bad time at that particular moment in my life. i believe everyone should donate to the Searl campaign and help make it a reality. i totally support Searl always. i am truly sorry.

How can someone who promotes antigravity and perpetual motion be termed 'genuine'? It looks to me as though you have been 'got at'. What was it? Threat or bribe?

I just saw the light that Searl is a genuine guy. listen to his interviews and you will realise that this guy Searl is a truly genuine guy. What he is saying is not wrong. How can you say that the laws of physics suggested by mainstream science is correct. After all they are not god. You should keep your mind open to other possibilities. lik,e Seral says nothing is impossible just your state of mind that makes it so. i wasnt bribes or threatened.

If you repeat a lie over and over enough times to enough people, it may start to sound like the truth to some and the perpetrator has surely convinced himself that 'it must be so' through the same repetition.

I'm completely sure that Searl is thoroughly convinced that every utterance he makes regarding any notion about anything whatsoever that happens to pop into his brain must be the gospel truth and above all reproach. I'll even bet that he doesn't have to practice in the mirror anymore.

The old axiom that a fool and his money are soon parted is absolutely true. I've seen it happen far too often for it not to be thus. As long as there are gullible people with some extra cash burning holes in their pockets, there will be the shucksters and scammers who are more than willing to relieve you of that burden. The best ones will even make you feel good about handing your cash over to them.

I'm still waiting to see a working model of ANY scammer's claim-to-fame, not just Searl's. Until then, I keep my cash and credit cards in my pocket (close to my heart ^_^).

There is no such thing as the Searl effect. As research engineer for the past 30 years, I do have some back ground experience in this sort of work. I have repeated all of Mr Searls work, pus, some of my own. Our whirllygig as we call it, has exceeded 4800 RPM. it does not leap into the air, or generate electricity. In fact the configuration in his cartoon is not mechanically possible. As for his mock up, its nothing more than a toy. However we have discovered something. As yet we cant quantify it, but it exists. This may be what John Searl first saw. But it is not as he describes it, in his disclosure. In fact we don't have any instruments measure it with. All we can do is measure torque and RPM. If on the other hand you still believe. remember this, the definition of an idiot is someone who makes the same mistake, again and again, and expect a different result each time. What's more I know the name of the model maker who made who made the fictitious flying machine, back in the sixties. Its wonderful what you can do with a rod and line? My new project is a free beer engine, which, I will be making tomorrow. All donations to east Martian sunshine home for incurables. Anti gravity takes over after 8 pints Old Peculiar. This is scientific. As I floated home many times after such treatment.

Please everyone keep an open mind about Searl. What if he is telling the truth and he dies without revealing the knowledge because of ignorant people . What we need is an increase in the conciousness level of people. Searl is trying to save the world people. This man has knowledge that could allow for free energy and antigravity. Several people have come up with variants of his technology. One example is Mark Tomion of Stardrive engineering. Website is http://www.stardrivedevice.com/power_plant.html . Also a guy in Kenya with ExMF technology. Website is http://www.exmfpropulsions.com/New_Physics/New_Energy/Propulsion/ExMF-PS.htm . And of course the Roschin Godin replication. How can you ignore four people with similar designs. It proves that Searl is telling the truth. Donate to him to complete his work.

It proves only that the world is full of scammers and gullible followers. Look at how real science develops: years of speculative then exploratory research, identification of an exploitable effect and an associated theory, more years of development until a product can even be marketed. And, by then, everything is in the open literature and cannot be monopolised by a single person. Now look at how the crackpot works: he picks on a (preferably insoluble) problem, supposedly solves it 'overnight', does not provide any evidence or mechanism or theory worthy of the name, and starts selling the 'product' immediately or asking for 'development' funds. If you are impressed by the number of 'variants of the technology', look at the history of the 'buoyancy motor' (weights fall down the 'empty' side and float up on the water-filled side). That has generated about 1500 patent applications; the first dating from the 18th century and the latest dating from last year. What we need is a vast improvement in science education and less investment in cultivating 'design and business skills'. The latter seem doomed to generate mere conmen.

'What we need is an increase in the conciousness level of people.'

AMEN!! That's the only thing you've said that makes any sense. If that level could be raised, even to a small degree, then far fewer people would be taken in by these frauds. Their funds would dry up. Hopefully many more of them would be prosecuted and serve some well deserved hard-core prison time.

Nothing would make me happier than to see my tax dollars put to such good use.

What I am saying is without testing a theory by building one of these machines we will never know whether it works or not. So Searl deserves to be funded so that the people will know once and for all whether it works or not. Instead of ridiculing Searl why dont you help him find funds so he can complete his research once and for all. That is the best option. man needs new energy systems now as soon as possible.

We know that it will not work, because it is contrary to the laws of physics and Searl has not even provided a 'proof of principle' to suggest otherwise. Also, he claims that he has already built 41 of these machines but sent them into outer space 'for safety'. Hmmm, why do you think that he attracts ridicule? Sure, let's help him to 'complete his research' ... just as soon as he proves that he has really done any!

So Searl deserves to be funded so that the people will know once and for all whether it works or not.

People already know, "once and for all whether it works or not". It does not work.

By your logic, no matter how ridiculous an idea seems, it should be funded. Even very gullible people do not swallow Searl's ideas... his ideas come very, very close to the absolute limit in implausibility. In the over-unity, perpetual motion world, there are hundreds of less implausible ideas available on the web, all crying for funding. But even they do not get funding, because there has been no proof-of-concept prototype built (that proves the concept), and because no person educated in the subject matter can say, with a straight face, "Yes, this idea may have some merit."

Why use our limited funds to fund the likely ideas, the ideas that show (to educated people) scientific promise of curing cancer, feeding the hungry, or solving our energy woes? Why not, instead, divert that money into ludicrous ideas that show no promise whatsoever?

Because doing so would be unethical in the overall scheme of things.

New here. First off, I'm not a scientist or engineer. I heard Searl on the radio and it sounded interesting so I did about 15 minutes of research today to determine that the guy is an absolute fraud.

According to himself, Searl was able to create many of these devices on his own in the middle of the 20th century. Questions: If they were so easy to create then, why the heck can't he create one now? Also, If anyone really believes his ludicrous story that the reasons why he no longer possesses any of his previously built contraptions is because, A. They were confiscated by black ops government forces, or B. they flew off on their own into the outer reaches of space - then please call me. You see, I am a black ops operative from outer space. I recently captured one of these devices on it's way to Alpha Centauri and I will sell it to you for 5 million dollars worth of American Eagle gold coins.

In seriousness, science aside, if this device is real, then let's see it. I'll take back everything I said - and I'll buy one for each family member and three for me. But I won't even buy Searl's video until I see the thing work.

Interesting isn't it?

If you designed a concept to be laughed at, you could not do better than the Searl schtick. Health benefits. Anti gravity. Perpetual motion. Big government conspiracies. "Engineered" using "magic squares" (yes, the same ones you figured out as a kid, where the rows and columns all add up to the same number.)

Perhaps it just that English subtle sense of humor...

He has been claiming recently (in broadcast interviews) that it can also 'neutralise' nuclear waste. The only property that he never claims for it is the ability to cure cancer. But that is only because that would immediately render him liable to criminal prosecution in the UK.

He has been claiming recently (in broadcast interviews) that it can also 'neutralise' nuclear waste.

If he truely claimed that, I would pay to see him prove this outrageous claim by neutralising the nuclear waste in a 40 gallon drum and then getting in the drum with the (now safe) waste for a while. I am sure we can get some free of charge from our American friends (sorry, we are nuclear free down here)

Abe Lincoln said that you can't fool all of the people all of the time, but I guess you only need to fool some of the people all of the time in order to make an easy living. Sometimes I wish I didn't have any principles. I could be rich too.

"...sorry, we are nuclear free down here..." - This is nothing to apologise about. I wish we all lived in a nuclear-free world.

An infuriating thing about searls videos on u-t is that, there seems to be no-one 'clued-up' enough to spot video's supporting a scam. On the grounds that the timescale involved, ridiculous claims and zero further progress, u-t admin should remove all supporting material and ban the uploaders from their site. Beyond this would be 'guilty by affiliation' and supporting the advertisement of a scam. U-T should take responsibility of mis-guiding media and wake up a bit. I mentioned 'video's supporting a scam' because searl is not alone. The 'magniwork' video is a prime example. Should the day arise when an 'investor' makes a claim against one of these fraudsters, U-T should be found equally guilty by failing to excercise correct 'filtering' of their media. Though there is no direct 'asking' for investment on u-t, further research reveals all they'd need to know. I ask myself though, if our goverments are gullible enough to fund cretins like Searl, what kind of message does that send out to people with more money than brains? Maybe they deserve to lose their investment(s)!!!!!!

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It is usually difficult to make skeptical comments on YT videos because the owner soon bans skeptics. I started to attack Searl's clips when they very first appeared, and have been banned ever since. I also made many complaints to YT, to no avail. I am particularly shocked by the over-unity devices which claim to have academic support. One of the websites had affadavits from some Canadian scientists, together with a request not to contact them (sic). Of course, I did just that: contact them. I also contacted the heads of their university departments. The result? Complete silence. What exactly does that imply? Returning to Searl, I once corresponded with the guy at Sussex university who had dealt with Searl (having been introduced to him by Gunnar Sandberg). OK, he saw through Searl, but any klutz can do that without having to meet him. And, would you believe it? Sandberg is still spoken of with reverence at Sussex U. as someone who was 'sadly employed at a level [lab technician/demonstrator] below his capabilities'. I sometimes wonder whether academics are too polite, or simply lacking in 'street smarts'.

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When there is so much bias on the part of even the those that operate this forum, the least we can expect is to hear both side of the issues.

Do not erase the Prof. Searl's reply to Heerfordt, l let the reader decide the issues.

I noticed they keep removing the Prof. John Searl's reply to all that Heerfordt B.S. Well I found the link at:

Prof. Searl reply to Heefordt

"he (Heerfordt) appeared to be nothing more than an adamant pompous absolute idiot. That is putting it, very mildly. There is a word that fits him perfect. But being a gentleman, I will not embarrass our tender readers, by the use of it."

I see Prof. Searl as a victim of ignorance, no wonder a man like Christ would get crucified then and now, nothing has changed.

I found the SEG interesting, I see SEG progress and testing taking place on the concept while some of you are just taking cheap shot on this forum. Dare to look at the hardware evidence and THINK about how it is all coming together as shown on the links below:

The Magnetic bearing confirmed

A new type of Magnetization confirmed

Proof of concept in many ways confirmed

Clearly the way to investigate this is to let the technical merits of the device speak for itself. I think you narrow minded naysayers will be put to shame if a outfit like NASA investigate it fully.

The SEG is the answer to the Worlds prayers, that in the long run could save millions of lives and yet so many fools here want to stop it.

Is "A new type of Magnetization confirmed" above, confirmed by any one, other than the self-appointed authority of Searl and Company ? Imagine that I would write in my own website something like "It is now confirmed that the moon is made out of Hungarian cheese".... W.T.F ?

Hogwash may take many colours and fragrances, but it still is what it is

You are simply demonstrating your own abysmal knowledge of science/engineering by professing to find those things interesting. None of those claims are even 21st-century technology, and one of them is 18th-century! Could this be why idiots like Searl prosper? Could it be that our so-called high-tech society contains enough scientific 'peasants' to sustain a separate economy based upon ignorance?

PS: strangely enough, I would not really be surprised if NASA did investigate it. NASA may look impressive to the layman, but just consider some of their 'expertise': they killed 7 people due to not understanding the properties of that new-fangled material, rubber. Who can ever forget Richard Feynman silently pointing this out by means of a simple experiment? They launched a defective telescope (Hubble) after failing to perform 'schoolboy-level' tests on its optics. They lost a space probe due to forgetting which length units they were using. The list goes on and on, right down to their 'instructional materials' for schools which often contain schoolboy 'howlers'. But most relevant in the present case is their love-affair with Eugene Podkletnov. He managed to get his anti-gravity claim into a scientific journal. It would have been completely ignored if it had not been picked up by the 'scientifically challenged' science-journalist, Robert Matthews (known to have a history of supporting pseudoscience and the paranormal), and made known to the lunatic fringe. This fringe apparently includes NASA for, while every non-crackpot physicist in the world attributed Podkletnov's results to poor experimental technique, NASA went ahead and wasted millions of $ on trying to reproduce the so-called 'Podkletnov effect' before admitting defeat. I know of several little-known cases where high-tech companies and governments have been taken for a ride by obvious (to physicists) crackpots. So, yes, I can well imagine NASA looking at Searl. After all, a UK development agency has already given a large amount of money to Searl's brother for the latter's 'stolen' version of the SEG!

Who is this 'professor' John Searl to whom you refer? The person who is referred to by Heerfordt has no academic qualifications and, I venture, would be incapable of obtaining even a passable SAT score. His 'honorary professorship' can be glimpsed in the ludicrous John Searl Story film of Bradley 'Dumb and Dumber' Lockerman. The 'Alpine Academy' which awarded it is not listed anywhere as a body authorised to make such awards, and the spelling of professor on the certificate suggests that the printers were either illiterate, or Maltese. I should also mention that I retraced Heerfordt's steps years ago and got the same responses from his neighbours. I have not yet been able to contact his son (and exact namesake) ... but that will come. I hope someday to contact his wives. That should provide some really juicy details.

"I see Prof. Searl as a victim of ignorance"

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I see us as victims of "Prof." Searl's ignorance and scam-tactics.

Christ has nothing to do with it.

So, now Searl is a religious figure, is he

Searl is a scum artist. Get it scum artist. Toilet science is Searl effect. Typical low class bugger.

Please do not be so soft on Searl. ;-)

Searl go man.

I 2nd that...Go Searl and to hell with the naysayers.

At least the Searl team is making progress for all to see with real efforts, demonstrations, confirmations, theory of operations, tons of documentation, radio interviews, video, website updates which goes to show they are winning on all fronts.

While these damn lazy skeptics offer no solutions, however they do offer gossipy misinformation. It appear they just want the public to take it in the a** and just get used to oil spills and all of the pollution that comes with it, rather than learn about a better way to make clean and green energy.

Hello...time for a change...the people have had enough out of business as usual that is killing this planet.

Sure...

די כבר עם כל השטויות האלה - מגנט מסוג חדש שמבטל את הגרויטציה ? - אם יש לכם עודף זמן פנוי וכסף לבזבז, זה לא סימן שאפשר לברבר לנו במוח את מה שחירטט לכם מי שסומך על הבורות שלכם, רק כדי לחלוב לכם את הכיס ואת המוח. חוזרים שוב ושוב, על זה שאנחנו לא פתוחים לרעיונות חדשים. זה לא רעיונות חדשים, זה אוסף שטויות שמנוגדות לחוקים בסיסיים בפיסיקה. די! תרדו מאיתנו, ולכו לטפס על מי שמאמין באגדות סתומות לילדים מפגרים

ואכן: מספיק עם השטויות כבר

שלום .. כמה המצאות ותגליות הגדול של העבר הם בולשיט שיחת ידי מטומטמים acadamic שלא ניתן למצוא בספרים שלהם על shelfs החנות. לוח בוודאי לפנות נגד טיפשים כמוך כי fbif לך לדבר על presen הטכנולוגיה היום "מומחים" של לפני 100 שנה .... קבל את זה?

כן, זה התירוץ מטורף כרגיל. אבל אחד צריך הוכחה כדי להציג רעיונות חדשים, לא רק מקווה ושקרים.

They are exactly where they were 40 years ago: running a scam. The only thing that has changed is that the internet has made it easier to attract suckers (like yourself), and some of those suckers have IT skills which allow them to polish Searl's s**t to a high finish.

So, the only real effort is the day-to-day effort of a criminal gang (since they are seeking investment in something which any court would view as impossible, they are clearly committing fraud). Their 'demonstrations' could have been part of Faraday's RI repetoire: they are that out-of-date. They demonstrate nothing anomalous. The theory is drivel, the documentation is not worthy of the name, and the radio interviews are all with morons who will swallow anything.

But this is all grist to my mill of a book. Searl, for me, is a 'sprat to catch a mackerel'. It is not Searl that I am after (although his prosecution might well be a side-effect) but the so-called academics who support him. For instance, a Harvard professor phoned in to one of his radio interviews and asked a particularly compliant question (rather than blowing him out of the water). She claims that she was not representing Harvard. Do you think that Harvard, or the audience, would see it that way? Some reputations are going to be in tatters before I am through. Put that in an update!

In other words... fb has financial investment in a book, trouble is Prof. John Searl's current research could blow it out of the water. I doubt fb will put out such a book against Searl while he is still alive or anytime soon because fb dirty little secret is that if Seal is funded to make it, then fb is really ruined. Well, all the better for the rest of the World which is what really counts.

Jeez, how can anybody be SO out of touch with reality? Searl does no research, has never done any research and would be incapable of doing any. All that he does is to concoct lies. I am actually looking forward to presenting him with a copy of my book, right on his doorstep. The last thing that I want is for him to die a martyr before I have a chance to make him into an everlasting figure of fun. It would even help me if Searl was substantially funded (his brother has already been, for the SEG, from public funds!), as the resultant scandal would make for great publicity.

Strange moniker you have there, Techwise: being neither technically competent nor wise.

Clearly fb speaks with a fork tongue and that is just one picture amount the thousands of pages and images Prof. Searl has documented on his website. It is laughable that fb can make everlasting fun of it considering the trend is just the opposite, so I say it is fb that's out of touch with reality by ignoring and promoting misinformation of what is becoming increasingly self evident.

Ref: The IGV Development in the 1970s.

The attached link is nothing more than a series of photographs, a kind of PR pep.

It doesn't mean or signify anything, it doesn't show anything subject to empirical testing, Nada, none other than what seems to be some fancy set of show-off props, intended to look like a "flying saucer driven by magnets and coils" - to convince some poor ignorant fools.

In former days, these fools may have been some ignorant funding functionaries, but these days, some of a myriad air-heads surfing the web.

"Complemented" by an endless trail of unproven, bullsh*t claims.

Laughable by any physics standard in the real world.

True, in fantasy land of the angels, anything is possible.

Any sane adult knows better.

If any of these claims were the least bit realistic, "Professor" Searl was a Noble laureate, and a gazillionaire, decades ago.

Needless to say, he wouldn't have to payroll an army of salesmen to part you from your hard-earned money.

Now, I may be wrong about that - You may actually be one of these salesmen...

Are you that naive?

You might as well believe the promotional trailer for a sci-fi Hollywood movie to be as "real" as this one.

Honestly, why on earth, do you cling to this folly ?

The only amazing thing about Searl, as I have said many times before, is his ability to get far more intelligent people to follow him: he should have started a religion on the basis of his crackpot ideas and lies, just as Ron Hubbard did. Searl is an idiot-savant; hold the savant.

What does this photograph show? It shows the conman Searl with some of his victims. Why don't you post some pictures of ENRON board meetings or of Madoff cocktail parties and claim that they demonstrate financial responsibility?

Too late to fund this project. Searl should have solved the problem years ago. If he cant replicate his effect then it is no use him talking about it. He should release all info and make his research open source. That is the way antigrav research will be done in the future. No use being secretive.

In short: Call me when Searl's new type of magnet will produce an anti-gravitational force, fed by surplus energy produced out of the blue.

I will personally document this for posterity, and for my own reference.

Then, I promise to publicly deny the first and second laws of thernodynamics...

OK ?

Most likely the public will be better informed about the latest developments before I even consider calling this Yuval character about it. He is still green on the subject and prone to distort the subject matter.

No, it not OK... At least get your facts straight Yuval, it posted that the SEG is an "open system energy converting device", therefore if you try to actually think and not just spout, you could see it can not violate the First Law nor the Second Law of thermal dynamics for it is by its own design an "open system" with an energy cycle. No, your opinion is not important, is simply a matter that is left to be technically investigated by the true SEG experts in a properly equipped laboratory.

If you had so much as commonsense, you could have said something like... "I will personally document it and promote that research be conducted on the many merits of the design and of the quantum effects said to be involved in its energy conversion process between the device's material layers".

Ref: The Law of the Squares

I think that you meant to say, "the public will be better disinformed".

So now it is an 'open system' is it? And where exactly is the input-side of this open system? What precisely is the nature of the cycle? Exactly what sort of energy is being converted? This looks distinctly like a case of, "from Searl's lips to Sod's ear". I shudder to think that you might actually be employed in some technical capacity somewhere, and yet not have the faintest understanding of basic physics.

Of course a working model (after being carefully checked for hidden batteries) would prove every expert wrong. May I suggest that you then celebrate with a skiing holiday. You will not have to travel far; Hell having frozen over.

This fb is SO misinformed and vindictive, get your head out of the ground, it's just a matter of reading the volumes of technical information available on the The Searl Solution website.

You bet I will do my part to support Prof. Searl, all he needs is a good team and a site to reproduce the SEG.

Ho ho ho. Do you mean, by 'volumes of technical information', that pathetic collection of elementary physics notes (plagiarised from, among others, Richard Feynman) which is interspersed with medical data from his ex-wife's nursing manuals and the occasional pornographic photograph? Not to mention his scatological references to myself.

What Searl needs is a good team of psychiatrists, and a prison cell.

We are a team of scientists at the Aachen University of Technology in Germany, we've made a similar device as the SEG and tested it in a vacuum. It's promising, but no conclusions yet.

No you are not, and no you have not. The only other possible explanation for this libel on the good academic reputation of Aachen is that you mean that you have constructed a crude rotary induction motor like the one shown on YouTube. That contraption has nothing to do with Searl's alleged perpetual-motion cum antigravity machine. If you really believe that you have produced the latter, then you should be contacting the Nobel prize committee; not making anonymous claims here. Still, it is a simple matter to tranche: without giving any details away, you should be able to name your head of department. But, be warned, I have friends at Aachen. So, either name the person who supposedly oversaw this dubious research, or stfu.

Go flowerbower go. Thats the way to show that fraud Searl and his accomplices.

This is what I think about Searl. He is telling some lies and some truth. Searl did discover some effect. Only problem is he couldnt replicate it. This is a problem most antigrav guys have. Even a guy in Canada has videos of levitation. Only problem is he cant replicate on demand. I believe Searl also discovered a similar type of effect. I believe he built a generator and it produced free energy and went through the roof. This is where my deduction differs from John Searls story. After this incident Searl tried to build a new generator but he failed. He couldnt reproduce the effect. He might have built some saucer mockups based on this generator but was unable to replicate the free energy and antigravity. He built some saucers and when he tried to demonstrate them they failed to fly. Many of the people in his hometown say Searl held demonstrations but gave excuses for not being able to fly blaming it on weather. Once again I believe some unreplicable factor was involved. The only choice Searl has now is to give info on how he built his device so others can replicate his device and maybe someone can solve the replicability issue. maybe someone out there can find out the missing factor. Searl and his one man team of Fernando Morris cant do it alone. Let him release his info freely so open source research can take place if he really cares about humanity. Searl is too old. He has tried several times to solve the problem and failed. He then gives excuses that someone stole his equipment. That part is a lie. But I have to give it to him. He is a very persistent little bugger. I really admire him for that. I wouldnt advice funding Searls team as there is not enough info to replicate the device and Searl would have forgotten most of the info as he is getting old and probably has dementia.

My theory is that Searl was made aware of a little-known effect which was discovered in the 19th century. If one shorts a car battery across the inner and outer races of a bearing, it runs like a motor. The reason for this is still not entirely clear; some saying that it is electromagnetic; others saying that it is a purely thermal effect. This stunt was, I am told, well known to pre-WW2 garage mechanics with too much time on their hands, and it is not too much of a stretch to imagine the young Searl seeing it. Note the strong resemblance of the SEG to a roller bearing. Also, these 'Gore motors' work for only a while before seriously overheating and even exploding. So, those are 2 other features of the Searl story handily explained: a glow around the device, and a tendency for it to jump suddenly into the air (as balls burst out of their overheated races. And on a further note, guess what was as popular as Sudoku in electrical engineering magazines of the 1930s: magic squares.

"... If one shorts a car battery across the inner and outer races of a bearing, it runs like a motor...a glow around the device, and a tendency for it to jump suddenly into the air (as balls burst out of their overheated races)..." - I find this a bit hard to follow: Can you elaborate a bit further, or draw an illustration of the mechanism involved in this off-bit thermal effect ?

- Is it some kind of a bi-metal effect acting on a metallic bearing, turning it into a make-shift motor / capacitor ?

- Why would it increase it's speed given a steady voltage of a battery ? And besides, with the increase in ambient temperature, electrical conductivity tends to decrease

- Didn't the whole short-circuit ensemble blow the battery ?

Well, according to Techwise, they merely take the formal, verbal definition of the Second Law, declare their system as "Open", and again, just declare it verbally as such (for the sake of conversation or argument), and think that by declaring some absurdity "An Open-System" they are exempt from proving their "device" as claimed, to be valid within thermodynamics.

This of course, shows how deep and profound is their "understanding" of the Second Law... "Naturally", if any given sceptic was to remind the Second Law, they think it's valid for them to brush it off, simply by declaring it an Open System which simply converts energy from one form to another.

Dear Techwise and the rest of you fools, the Second Law mentions "A Closed-System" strictly as a formal boundary to the definition of the Second Law. What it means is, that there is no such thing as "A Closed-System" in physical reality (other than the entire universe - if you can grasp such a concept - this is what the First Law is about).

Any defined system is bound by it's input of available, potential energy, to be utilised within those bounds (for the sake of lowering or maintaining it's level of entropy) and by discarding the remains of untapped energy, it is self-evident as "An Open System".

Any defined system in reality is An Open System, by the mere fact that it doesn't confine the entire universe total amount of energy, according to the First Law. If it was able to do so, and produce more available energy than it's input, (as implied by Searl), it would be self-evident as contradicting the Second Law...

So, in fact, Searl and his ignorant followers declare their "system" as an Open System, but imply that it's actually a Closed-System, able to produce surplus energy...

This is an uninformed and ignorant misunderstanding if any, of both the concepts of Energy Transfer and Conversion, and it's influence on the level of entropy in a given, arbitrary definition of "A Closed System" to define one given system from the rest of the universe.

As I said, this whole mental abuse of thermodynamic laws, is an apparent attempt to deceive innocent, uninformed folks to one end only - convince them to give away their hard-earned money as an "investment" in something the don't fully understand, while the rest of you scammers party on - at their expense.

Further yet, by coming to sites and forums such as CR4, and appearing to be "arguing" their case, they abuse this site to be thought of "a reputable" reference to the "Validity" of their silly, ignorant "argumentation".

In the eyes of their willing to invest string of fools.

What a shame. Sorry, I meant to say - No shame at all...

Inspired partly by not-so-Techwise, but mainly by a long-felt impression, I have started a new discussion-thread: "Are Electrical Engineers 'Science-Lite'?". There are obviously many exceptions, as the Searl thread shows, but still the niggling doubt persists. I hope that the new discussion will clarify the matter.

Have you noticed that Searl is rapidly heading towards the top of GE Ecomagination's 'most active' list of innovative ideas? OK, so that is partly my fault, but how does he have the chutzpah to enter a perpetual motion machine into a supposedly serious engineering competition (and what does that say about the voters)?

Prof. John Searl now has a reseach laboratory in the USA.

The Searl Team is winning regardless of those pathological pseodo-skeptics (STUCK-IN-THE-BOX) fools running amuck on this forum.

Latest news on the Searl Technology:

The Morningstar Energy Box shown recently at the COFE conference confirms and validates the Searl Effect Generator concept.

Reference link: http://www.searlsolution.com/media2.html

Even PESN are doubtful, with much use of the words "claimed" and "supposed" (and THAT is saying something from a website which doesn't know the difference between science and pseudoscience!).

http://pesn.com/2011/03/04/9501779_Morningstar_Energy_Box_Announcement--Russian_MEC_Partially_Replicated/

This borders on totally fantastic claims (even in the field of free energy and pseudoscience), and unlike many of the other "devices" and "developments" is going to be laughably easy to verify and prove (or disprove).

Extraordinary claims call for extraordinary evidence, I couldn't find any scientifically-verifiable proof (just press releases and patents).

Lets we and the scientific community see what happens during independent verification tests shall we.

"...pathological pseodo-skeptics (STUCK-IN-THE-BOX) fools running amuck on this forum..." - Pointing a finger at someone still points back three fingers back at you

There is no need for name-calling, it is after all a self-evidencde of doubt on your part

Point that finger at this Wayseer video link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDaiFfY78a4

Watch and learn who are the ones that point the way to the future...

Techwise,

Not to distract from the subject, but I just have to say...

"The Way" described by Wayseer in that video has been tried countless times throughout history. It can sometimes lead to very bad things. For instance, most recently it led to the likes of Stalin, Mao & the Nazis, to name a few. Most of the figures displayed in that video would vehemently disagree with it. What they accomplished was achieved though extraordinary hard work, self discipline, sacrifice, and an ordered life - not anarchic, sentimental gobbedygook. The passion shown in that video is attractive, and is wonderful when tempered by reason - but very dangerous when undirected.

I don't know you from Adam, and pardon me for saying it, but my impression from these posts is that the reason you're willing to attach yourself to far-fetched ideas like Searl's is that you have a commendable passion, but have not yet learned to master it. You're enamoured by Searl in much the same way that you are by Wayseer.

Just sayin.

AdmiralAckbar, you are badly mistaken about what drives my interests, it not the man but the technology which is technical matter that does requires knowledge and discipline to learn to understand it. NOTE: fb don't not care if the SEG is true or not, fb has ulterior motives to prevent it from succeeding at all costs but is losing anyway.

Don't be fooled by fb, who will always try to turn it into a character issue, it is NOT, it about the Searl Technology that researchers are discovering does in fact have a bases in fact and that is what the latest news is telling us with the Morningstar group of researchers.

Well Techwise, for me the SEG issue is very simple. I'm not a scientist, but I am fairly logical. If Searl produced several of these devices on his own years ago, why can't he now? I go by the old adage - put up or shut up. Doesn't it seem just a little suspicious to you that he can't do what he's supposedly already done several times? Should we really take this guy on his word alone? Come on! Please don't tell me that he needs money to prove it, because if that's the reason then send your money to me. I'll put it to much better use by spending it on my family. That might not be the end result you're looking for in an investment, but at least you'll know that it's being used for good, and not on hookers and Old Tennessee Sour Mash.

Actually, I take that back. If you send me your money, some of it will be spent on sour mash....

Those questions have been answered hundreds of times, so make an effort read them at his websites and it is not as simple you may suppose. No, you don't have take his word alone, just try research the claims and watch for the results as others have discovered.

Clearly, what is needed are the same conditions that made the SEG possible in the past. I can see that what he needs is a supervisory rule over a team of engineers with all of the type of equipment he had access to in the past; that way there would be no need for money, if that is possible these days.

No they haven't: those questions have been dodged every time. And why do you use 'research' as a weasel-word? Sure, it sounds technical and is usually associated with the accumulation of solid facts. However, in the world of pseudoscience, it always comes down to a matter of mere garbage-collection (that is, reciting the drivel written by similarly-minded loonies).

Where is the 'proof-of-principle' of the SEG? I wouldn't have to build an entire electric motor to convince Aristotle, say, that such a thing would exist thousands of years in the future: I could do it using a lodestone, lemon juice, copper, zinc and some thinly beaten gold (all of which were familiar items to him). That is why Searl had to invent 'revelation by dreams': to explain the absence of 'lead-up' experiments, dead-ends, and all of the other hallmarks of real scientific discovery.

All that Searl can come up with (no doubt aided by his new dupe/conspiritor, Morris) are 'ancient' demonstrations: that silly motor that he carts around (how big is its carbon footprint now?) is similar to one patented by Wheatstone in the 1860s, the levitation of a magnet over a moving conductor was beautifully explained by Maxwell 150 years ago (and was recently suggested as a 'student project' in European Journal of Physics) and the 'imprinting' of poles was first demonstrated by Knight in the 18th century. None of these stunts, of course, go anywhere near proving 'energy-from-nowhere'.

Nah, all of the supposed complexity is an excuse for never producing anything, and the expense is just an excuse for extracting money from suckers.

Finally, it is noticeble that the 'levitation' aspect is now being played down by his 'team'. Is it that they cannot swallow that part of the con? What if they start to doubt the rest of it. He will have to find a new 'team'; just as he has always done every decade or so!

There is no technology. There is only the fraudulent intent of Searl left to consider.

If you want to convince me otherwise, have Searl publish a paper - detailing his proof of the existence and viability of the SEG - in the Journal of Applied Physics.

Now let me guess your answer to that: you will claim that the editors of JAP are a) brainwashed by old-fashioned paradigms, b) in the pay of 'big oil and/or c) jealous that they did not discover it, and will therefore reject any such paper.

Well, got you there: if those are your best excuses, how do you explain the fact that JAP has published at least one paper by Randall Mills, the founder of Black Light Power? Physicists regard him with as much suspicion as they do any other over-unity crackpot, but scientists are open-minded; essentially far more open-minded than the cranks. (BTW, do you know the origin of the word, 'crank'? They were a particular group of madmen, in Bedlam, who used to profit from their illnesses).

Your statement needs some 'translation'. What you are trying to say is that one of Searl's latest suckers has helped to set the stage for a long-con (elaborate long-term confidence-trick, cf. The Grifters) aimed at separating fools from their money.

By the way, what happened to that 'essential piece' of magnetising equipment which was shown in the Thailand shots without which, it was said, the SEG could not be built? The present set-dressing is composed entirely of off-the-shelf equipment so, presumably, anyone who bought the same equipment could perform the same 'revolutionary' (in fact, 18th-century) magnetising tricks. Where has the magic gone?

Both conspiritors will run foul of the law if they try to get people to invest in non-existent inventions. Check out the story of Otis T.Carr on Wikipedia, and he wasn't so blatant as to have 3 companies registered in shady tax-havens; including Delaware. It must be a very long daily commute for Searl; what with the long-con being based in California and his official address being in Las Vegas. Or is the latter the fake one routinely given to the heads of dodgy enterprises?

It is lucky that I am a kindly soul. Otherwise, I might wonder what Homeland Security would make of the presence of a convicted felon on US territory: a felon, moreover, with a history of attempting to sabotage power supplies (an expected target of terrorist groups at some time in the future). And doesn't he have to have a Green Card to earn money there? An American inventor who came to the UK would have to deposit hundreds of thousands of pounds (not borrowed) in a UK bank AND employ at least 2 UK citizens!

At least there is a bright side: it cannot be much longer before Searl is 'stuck in a box'.

Actually it is your statements needs some 'translation', you are clearly a sore loser and with a personal vendetta. Why else does this "F.B" pester and obsessively focus only on the Searl Team. Yet ignores and even creates misinformation about the mounting SEG evidence and furthermore ignores independent confirmations.

Surely, F.B. can take note of the Morningstar group's phone number which is not hard to find and pester them instead. Get a life fb before your A** gets take to court for libel or is that it? FB is trying stop the program that will expose fb as lier and paided to do so; so it is just to save your posterior, right fb?

Shame on you fb, you are a pseudo-skeptic of the worst kind and a social cancer to future generations.

True pioneers like the Searl Team are not afraid of advancements in science and technology; certainly not to just one sore loser afraid to research the SEG for the truth.

To be the loser, I would have to be in the same race. However, I am not competing to produce a perpetual-motion machine, which is impossible. Nor am I competing to cheat gullible investors, which is criminal.

Searl happens to be the poster-boy for both the perpetual-motion and antigravity lunatic fringes, so that makes him a prime target. He is also the most stupid person in the game, and the one who has simultaneously produced the least evidence: no evidence in fact. This means that he can be used as a 'touchstone' for detecting other crackpots whom the general public might otherwise mistake for real scientists because they have ... gasp ... letters after their names. The layman may not be able to understand physics, but most will be able to see from Searl's laughable books what a transparent fraud he is. Then they will wonder why other, supposedly clever, people cannot also see it and conclude, rightly, that those 'authorities' are either grossly incompetent, insane or plain fraudsters. So, anyone who believes in Searl is automatically a self-confessed idiot/conman. Which are you?

So I am not going to argue fruitlessly with Murad, any more than I would have argued with Madoff. Nobody who is running a 'something-for-nothing' scam can admit it, can he?

As for the usual libel-threat nonsense, do you really think that any court would be fooled by Searl's claims? The last two certainly were not. And unless he can produce better evidence, he does not have a 'leg to stand on'. Meanwhile, you may recall that, in his 'books', he has also accused me of theft, as well as defaming a university professor whom he mistakes for me. Glass houses ...

I would suggest that pseudoscientists are the cancer, and are increasingly leading to wastages of money. How on Earth did NASA come to fritter away $10M on the non-existent Podkletnov 'effect' (aka laboratory artefact) if they were not swayed by internet pseudo-experts rather than sober academic opinion?

Flowerbower you are a bloody fraud. Mr Murad is a very respectable scientist. He worked for the DIA. You on the other hand are a nobody. We dont know who you are. you could e just another stalker with no life who harrases old men on the street and the net. Free energy and antigravity is possible. Admit it. Even UFOs exist. Ghosts exist. Humans have souls. Science says miracles are not possible. that does not stop miracles happening. Just because you think something is not possible dosent mean it is not.

Anything you say...

And the earth is flat, and the moon is made of cheese...

Right ?

Keep laughing Youval flowerbowers boy. You are just another one of those who give science a bad name.

What do you mean?

Are you trying to say the earth is not flat ? !

"...You are just another one of those who give science a bad name..."

You do not seem to have taken my 'Searl touchstone' principle 'on board'. It does not matter how many qualifications someone has, it does not matter who they have worked for and it does not matter how many fanciful theoretical papers they have written; if they believe Searl's lies they are self-confessed idiots. Murad goes one step further and claims to have replicated Searl's 'results'. How, pray, did he do that when Searl has never presented any results? I know that it is hard for you to comprehend that possessing impressive 'social embellishments' does not protect one from self-delusion, but it is a fact. Several pioneers of the experimental testing of relativity theory later declared that the theory was wrong. Of course, one could drive a Mack truck through the holes in their 'evidence', and their volte face was generously attributed to senility. Even more pertinent are the many scientists who believe that the universe is only 6000 years old. Their consequent obligation then to lie about everything from Darwinian evolution to nuclear disintegration can easily be traced to religious mania. Can you not see that wanting to believe conmen like Searl is just another form of pathetic quasi-religious yearning? But it is not a matter for humour: both the Nazi Party and Stalin elevated pseudoscientific crackpots and persecuted their critics. You should worry about pseudoscientists holding positions in government agencies rather than seeing it as being a positive thing.

BTW Just because you think that something is possible, it does not mean that it is. About 400 years ago, humans finally came up with the idea that it might be a good thing to test claims by means of repeated independent experiments. Try to keep up.

I dont care what you say Flowerbower. You and Yuval are just negativist. Paul Murad is a reputable scientist. He has replicated and proved Searl. That is enough proof for me. Searl has been proven right.

Such closed-mindedness on your part merely goes to show again that your certainty is simply quasi-religious and not based upon any rational evaluation of the facts. No reputable scientist (assuming that he has even heard of him) does anything but despise Searl. 'Reputable is as reputable does'.

It is you who are close minded. Free energy and electrogravity has been around since 1893. It is the same concept. Science that we are taught in school is totally wrong. The problem with the world is that science has become more or less like a religion. This law that law prevents antigravity and free energy. Its all false. Dont be fooled by people who say science taught in schools is complete. it is not complete. I support basic research into science. People like you will let the earth be destroyed before you accept the truth. You are close minded. I am open minded. As long as there are people like you Flowerbower the world will not prosper. You will never accept the truth until it is too late for the earth.

Gee, and it never caught on! Funny that. I suppose that it was suppressed by 'Big Steam', just as the electric motor/generator was. Oh, hang on, we have those.

I assume that you are referring to that other conman, Nikola Tesla, and his lunatic announcements. Yes, we don't have death rays either (or do we?). Perhaps if he had spent more time on providing evidence, and less time on trying to impress journalists, you might have had some proper references to cite.

Or perhaps you are referring to some other nutter of whom I have not heard. Do tell ...

There is ample proof of free energy and antigravity inventions being suppressed. Thousands of inventors saying the same thing. it cant be a lie. Something is going on. Maybe you are even one of those taking part in the suppression. There is evidence if you look for it. Take cold fusion for example. They laughed at it. Now a company has been started to produce cold fusion reactors. It is the Rossi reactor. One day someone is bound to replicate the Searl effect or some similar one and hopefully like Rossi with cold fusion he will have money to build his free energy saucer.Cold fusion is a reality. So will the Searl Effect now with Murad also investigating it. Someone is bound to find the trick to make it work.There are several others doing antigravity work. You may put down Searl but someone else searching for the truth will keep the antigravity and Searl movement going. The secret to antigravity will be discovered in my lifetime along with zero point energy.

Hilarious; I guess that it's the way that you tell 'em. So you have segwayed from 'proof of perpetual-motion/antigravity' into 'proof of suppression'. But you do not even have any proof for the latter either. It is an elementary mistake in experimental science to assume that an effect is necessarily due to the cause that one is investigating, and you are making it of course. How can development of a prototype invention be suppressed? Did anyone suppress Faraday et alia as they worked on electrical machines? What you really suspect is that commercial exploitation is being suppressed but, again, the Occam's Razor explanation for the non-appearance of 'antigravity hovercars' is that corporate investors are not stupid (pace NASA and Podkletnov - and look how that turned out!). Scientists still laugh at cold fusion, and the evidence for it has become weaker and weaker over the decades: that should tell you something. Like the obtaining of a patent, the founding of a company is often just 'set-dressing' for a scam. Even within the length of your comment, your resolve seems to be weakening. I thought that you believed that Searl had succeeded 60 years ago, but now you hope for some future breakthrough? It seems as though you might be wising-up: come towards the light!

BTW, thousands of inventors believe that centrifugal force is a real force, and this has resulted in hundreds of worthless patents for inventions that supposedly exploit it for spacecraft propulsion or levitation. You see, it does not matter how many people suffer from a delusion, it does not make it any less of a delusion.