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Why is my Electric Bill Going up?

07/28/2022 2:24 AM

It's going up because as coal fired power plants are being phased out, and natural gas plants are replacing them, the cost of generation is rising...and it looks like the trend is not going to end anytime soon...

...as you can see in 2020 the costs of coal and gas were approaching parity with coal mining being phased out and forced power plant closures, and with natural gas production being ramped up here in the US....

....but that all changed when Russia invaded Ukraine, now much of Europe who was getting their gas from Russia are in a fix and natural gas prices are skyrocketing....

....so now we have to ship more and more LNG to Europe which causes a shortage here in the US....

...The problem is that Germany has burned its bridges with coal or it could make up the gas shortage by just firing the coal generators back up...so could we, so could the rest of Europe...

...France is the only one that seems secure with nuclear power supplying the bulk of their base energy....Look at the chart with the comparison of coal cost to nat gas...coal at about $2 and gas at about $8, 4 times as much....there's your inflation....

Bring back coal! and GO Nuclear!

https://www.statista.com/statistics/189180/natural-gas-vis-a-vis-coal-prices/

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=48896

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08/24/2022 10:37 AM

IMHO:

In consideration of the long lasting terrible effects of a nuclear accident,I don't thing there can be any overkill when it comes to safety.

Every element in the plant is critical and could have a domino effect.

Paranoia is sometimes justified.

As far as coal is concerned,it can be clean but it will cost more to put good filters on the stacks.Money is always the answer.

To paraphrase Lenin: " A corporation will sell you the rope you use to hang them with."

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08/24/2022 11:20 AM

Covid took out 1 million people, vs Nuclear power "0"....100k people die from medical mistakes every year, none from Nuclear power...25k people die in traffic accidents every year, vs zero from nuclear...When you get as many people dying from nuclear power as you are getting from traffic accidents, come and talk to me then....until then drop all these regulations that are nothing more than hysterical propaganda generated boogie men...

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08/24/2022 11:42 AM

I got news for you, you're going to die anyway, from something, even if it's just old age, energy preserves life, without energy there would be no life....How many lives have been lost to coal mining over the years? Why is it still our main source of power generation? Because it has allowed society to grow and prosper that's why...Nuclear power is cleaner, safer, and carbon free...and could be cheaper if unnecessary regulations were eliminated...The new designs of gen III IV and V are the future of base energy supply....These can be used for desalination, and hydrogen production, and the ultimate elimination of carbon based energy....

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08/25/2022 4:23 AM

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08/24/2022 2:10 PM

Improperly handled nuclear waste will keep affecting people for many generations.

Fukushima comes to mind;Now disposing of their waste in the ocean.

Radiation in small doses can cause many forms of cancer,but it is not attributed to radioactivity.Sure,cancer was around in millions of years ago,but the rate of effects have been greatly amplified the problem.

Russia will never tell how many died due to Chernobyl in Russia and Europe,and the legacy will be around for many generations.

How far do you live from a nuclear power plant?Would you like it to meltdown in your area?Why not,you are going to die anyway from something.

I hear they are looking for volunteers to help clean up Chernobyl.

I agree that "The Press" has an agenda,and bold prints numbers that support their agenda.

There are many more deaths from many other causes besides the most publicized,like gun violence is less than surgical mishaps,but you hear nothing about that.Or the other things you mentioned.

If we had as many nuclear plants as cars,the numbers would be higher.

One car accident does not kill or injure thousands of people or affect their gene pool.

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08/24/2022 2:56 PM

Chernobyl and Fukushima were both faulty designs that no longer exist, no such design exists in the US...The new gen power plants are much more efficient and safe, in fact modern designs have no possibility of meltdown, so that is not a valid reason...In fact the regulations for nuclear power in the US are so over the top that they take away money that could be spent on safety improvements and maintenance costs...

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"The three sites were Hanford, Washington; Deaf Smith County, Texas; and Yucca Mountain. In 1987, Congress amended the Nuclear Waste Policy Act and directed DOE to study only Yucca Mountain, which is adjacent to the former nuclear test site."

"The Act provided that if during site characterization Yucca Mountain was found unsuitable, studies would stop immediately. This option expired when Reagan actually recommended the site. On July 23, 2002, President George W. Bush signed House Joint Resolution 87,[24] (Pub.L. 107–200 (text) (PDF)) allowing the DOE to take the next step in establishing a safe repository in which to store nuclear waste. The DOE was to begin accepting spent fuel at the Yucca Mountain Repository by January 31, 1998, but did not do so because of a series of delays due to legal challenges, concerns over how to transport nuclear waste to the facility, and political pressure resulting in underfunding of the construction."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste_repository#:~:text=The%20three%20sites%20were%20Hanford,the%20former%20nuclear%20test%20site.

Proper disposal of nuclear waste is a problem that no longer exists except for the legal challenges brought about by political infighting...much like the advance of Nuclear power design and deployment there are a few that stand in the way of progress...Eliminate the opposition of manufactured roadblocks and these problems would go away much like the fear generated by Hollywood...

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08/24/2022 9:00 PM

What happens if there is a fire? Just one fire.
Although we live in a stable country (I hope), what happens during civil conflict if electrical power is lost to a spent fuel cooling pool?
I don't understand LCOE, but when I see the charts the economics of NP look pretty sad.
What impact does increasing efficiency of use have compared to increased power production?
I remember when nuclear energy was going to be "too cheap to meter." What happened to that?

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08/24/2022 11:27 PM

..."I remember when nuclear energy was going to be "too cheap to meter." What happened to that?"...

Regulations happened to that....

"What impact does increasing efficiency of use have compared to increased power production?"

Less fuel, less waste, = less cost for same amount of power...

The new nuclear power plant designs are not subject to the risks of the old designs...

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08/24/2022 11:54 PM

How do you put together a business plan when the legacy cost of doing business extends into the next century or millenium? Fix the cost by passing it onto the taxpayer by collecting a fee of get this - 1/10 of one cent per KWH produced in exchange for the taxpayer picking up the cost of handling, storage, and security in perpetuity. What deal.
The best way to deal with the legacy cost issue is to give the fund AND the waste back to the industry and deal with it in the bankruptcies that result. At least there would be less produced over the long term.
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08/25/2022 12:16 AM

You could just burn up the waste in the reactor...

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08/27/2022 11:13 PM

I hope everyone understands now that Fukushima and Chernobyl nuclear power plants did not have containment domes, among other problems, but that all nuclear power plants in the US do have containment domes...So what happened there cannot happen here...and not only for that reason, we use the water as a moderator, if the water goes away for some reason, the nuclear reaction stops....so the design is also different, it can not melt down...there are also more reasons, but if you are that interested you can go back and watch the videos...the cooling systems are passive and do not require electricity or pumps or valves...

The casks that store the waste are nearly indestructible, as was demonstrated over and over...there can be no nuclear waste spill in transit...by truck or by train, it's perfectly safe....

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08/28/2022 9:12 AM

I say the risks are lower not I would,d say exclusively it would happen here from what happened at Fukushima and Chernobyl.

At three mile island, there was a large hydrogen bubble, with in the containment area where there was a concern it would explode. There was no oxygen at the time, but there was a concern.

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08/28/2022 12:28 PM

All the nuclear reactors have containment shells now...3 feet thick concrete and 5/8 inch steel, pretty much bomb proof...and in the top of the reactor we have hydrogen absorbers if that happens, which is not likely...Did you not watch the demonstration of them flying a jet into a containment wall, the wall was unscathed...The thing is, each generation gets safer, it's time to move forward with the only zero-carbon, safe source of energy, that can meet the world's needs, nuclear power ....

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09/02/2022 5:48 PM

I live about 20 miles SSE of the center of the Hanford area, and about 15 miles S of the Columbia Generating Station (nuclear).

At Hanford there are some 100 tanks totaling about 57 million gallons of old radioactive waste from Cold War plutonium production. Some of these tanks have fairly slow leaks (300 g/yr - 700 g/yr or so). There is a slow plume of this waste approaching or nearly reaching the Columbia River, where it will be quickly reduced by a factor of 104, 105, or the like.

For some 25 years there has been a plan to encapsulate (vitrify) this waste in glass bricks or cylinders, with the start date having been repeatedly delayed. Some recent estimates suggest US$300 billion for this, perhaps to inflate to a trillion. Perhaps the biggest and dumbest boondoggle of all time.

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09/02/2022 6:21 PM

Perhaps the biggest and dumbest boondoggle of all time.

Big Government: “Hold my beer.”

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09/06/2022 7:31 AM

<...nuclear waste will keep affecting people for many generations...>

Consider the difficulties involved in leaving a set of safety instructions in a durable medium at a nuclear waste repository that could still be understood by people in 500 generations' time or so.

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09/06/2022 11:18 AM

Attempts have been made tho address that very problem,with text,symbology and pictograms similar to hieroglyphics.The longest lasting form of data storage is DNA,some has been found over 60 million years old,in the thighbones of T Rex.

The problem with trying to predict the technology level of future generations,whether much more advanced,or thrown back by war or environment to hunter-gatherer level

Mankind has figured out, by trial an error which herbs are beneficial and which are deadly.It will be hard learned lessons if they have to figure out radiation sickness.

If man reverts back to a more primitive state,they will probably label an area as being possessed by bad spirits,and forbid people from going there..

If man and technology progresses,our primitive signs will be as difficult to interpret as the hieroglyphics initially were.

Our landfills we be a gold mine for futures archeologists.Hot dogs have been found after 10 years buried in a landfill that were still safe enough to eat.Those nitrates and nitrites are really doing their job.

Will they still be edible in 1000 years?

Here is a horrible prediction:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N03Uoj6p9QAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N03Uoj6p9QA

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Man didn't create radioactive elements, they existed long before we got here....anyway the nuclear waste will probably be used up as fuel within a 100 years, in gen v or gen vi nuclear reactor designs... people assume that they will remain forever entombed, but that is not necessarily going to be the case...these materials will probably become very valuable over the years...

https://www.iaea.org/topics/radiation-safety-norm

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09/06/2022 7:01 PM

Maybe it should be written in three (3) languages… just like the Rosetta Stone.

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08/25/2022 9:24 PM

We have a tulip like bubble forming for natural gas...a manmade supply shortage forced by regulation and Russian collusion....Natural gas prices have already risen 500% in just a short time, and with the greens still in control and mandating natural gas increased use and with the other hand limiting supply growth through restrictive measures, we seem caught in a trap....the midterm elections are coming, and so is relief hopefully...deliver us from evil...

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08/25/2022 10:54 PM

Hopefully the Sleeple have their eyes open now.

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08/26/2022 4:52 AM

Just keep an eye on that politicians husband who just received a slap on the wrist for DUI after crashing his Porsche… on what he does with his stock in energy company’s, because soon after what he does, this country’s energy policies will change.

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08/26/2022 5:46 PM

Yes, apparently he has made more than a few lucrative stock buys. He must be a market genius.

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08/26/2022 10:13 PM

I understand, that getting COVID reduces grey matter… some of those politicians that had it, most be operating with a vacuum.

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Let them (eat cake) burn coal.

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08/31/2022 5:14 PM

It’s interesting to note, that green energy does have its comprises… ignore the lean of the article… if you can.

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08/31/2022 7:52 PM

"It’s interesting to note, that green energy does have its comprises"

I presume that was intended to be "compromises". Everything does involve compromises!

It keeps getting harder and harder to know who to believe. Your link mentions "Solar panel fires" in NSWales. I had never ever heard of a solar panel fire. I strongly suspect that those fires were not initiated by the solar panels themselves, but rather by the controller/inverters or the wiring connections.

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I agree with the compromises. Unfortunately, depending who is pushing what, those compromises are usually silent to support what they are pushing.

as far as solar panels fires, fires from solar panels itself probably isn’t the cause, but solar panels alone is also generally useless without controllers/inverters et al and was just used as the description.

as far as getting harder and harder to know who to believe, that’s been going on for a very long time and welcome aboard.

Thirdly, I did put the warning out to ignore the lean, one has to recognize it, that’s what makes it hard for a lot of people.

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Basically the fires are caused by substandard equipment, lack of proper maintenance, poor installation by unqualified contractors...these all stem from lack of proper regulation and oversight by the AHJ...

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09/05/2022 1:05 AM

I saw this pop up today:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/amazon-temporarily-shuts-down-solar-rooftops-facilities-fires

Speculation is that sub-standard equipment or installation issues are likely causes. There was a huge rush to get all those panels installed so they can crow about how they are saving the Earth.

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09/05/2022 5:25 AM

On top of?

Amazons also over extended itself with the warehouse expansions… where they closed down or suspended over 40 facilities under construction.

They expansion was due mostly to the pandemic.

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09/01/2022 11:56 PM

California grid is failing, they want people to stop charging their EV's... The grid won't support 1 mil EV's, and they want 30 mil...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/23/california-last-nuclear-power-plant-save

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Re: Why is my Electric Bill Going up?

09/02/2022 2:02 PM

Why worry about the proletariat? They just don't matter.

As long as the ruling class is comfortable and can do and go where they want, then we'll have Biden-unity.

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Re: Why is my Electric Bill Going up?

09/05/2022 5:34 AM

Bad government that’s not well thought out… nothing new.

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09/06/2022 7:21 AM

It self inflicted… and after four (4) + years of crying the worlds going to come to an end, the DQ’s are now silent after they got what the wanted, lurking in the shadows, full of hate more then ever and blaming everyone else…

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09/14/2022 2:06 PM

First stop, reality!

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09/10/2022 5:37 AM

..."According to the Copper Development Association, solar photovoltaic systems consume 5.5 tons(11,000 lbs) of copper per megawatt. Onshore wind power takes 7,766 pounds per megawatt, and offshore wind, an astonishing 21,067 pounds per megawatt, mostly due to the cabling.6"....

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09/14/2022 3:51 PM

Mr. Bill says…

According to a new study by Consumer Reports, your EV might lose 25%, and even over 40% of its range during winter.

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09/14/2022 7:49 AM

Here is an interesting link to refrigeration that does not require electricity:

https://www.dw.com/en/electricity-free-refrigeration-an-eco-friendly-solution-for-rural-india/av-62973826

The above link is a variation of a previous invention(1995) by an African teacher/inventor,Mohammed Bah Abba:

https://www.permaculturenews.org/2008/08/11/a-refrigerator-that-runs-without-electricity/

I doubt that he will receive any recognition or royalties for his original idea.

It is the same principle used it root cellars of pioneers,where they had a cave dug into a hillside with a small drip of water splashing onto a flat rock.

Food stayed chilled,but not as cold as modern refrigeration.

My grandmother had a root cellar,dug into the mountain side and the food always tasted better.

AHH! The taste of fresh ,unpasteurized,un-homogenized milk that is slightly chilled,with the cream floating on top from cows grazing on blossoming clover and grass.
The memory of it takes me back over 60 years.

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09/15/2022 11:59 AM

Many farmhouses in the hilly areas of the country used to have a spring house where the spring water would flow into a trough and the milk bottles and other perishables would be kept chilled to about 55 degF and maybe cooler depending on the spring.

It might look something like this:

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09/15/2022 5:04 PM

Granny's had a lot less exposure,more dug in to the mountain.She also stored canned goods in there.She canned everything;meats,such as deer,elk,pork,beef,and all the vegetables they grew.Did not go to a store to get supplies except very rarely.Grandpa would take sheets of mica he had quarried from an abandoned mica mine into town and trade for staple items,but they were mainly self sufficient..There was even a small spring fed pond where she kept trout that had been caught and they were fed biscuits.

If you wanted a trout,just throw some crumbs on the water,and dip one out with a dip net.

Those days are gone forever,and I am glad I got to experience them.

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