Fuel Saver (diesel only)

Hello Andynh2

Send me one of those "up to 50% diesel fuel savers".

I shall install it into my 1986 Toyota LandCruiser non-turbo 3.4 litre engine as made by Hino truck Co for Toyota, and run the unit on-road and off-road for 50,000 miles, over various terrain, various altitudes, various climatic conditions, then issue a comprehensive report on the unit.

The report will be sent to you, along with a copy placed here on CR4 Forum, for all to enjoy.

If your unit is truly excellent, I look forward to the comprehensive testing.

Kind Regards....

Friend,

I am so sorry to tell you it won't fit your car the dimension is 110cm X 90 cm X125 cm. running at 240VAC

it is the comercial model, the smallest I can go.

It is designed to cater small power plant it is a stationary machine,

Sorry friend,

Car or mobile model I still can figure it out. I can send you pictures if you give your e-mail

Andy

Sound like an additive such as H20, as experimented with on gas turbines? and may require the engine rev's to be kept up? that I think would rule out the Ute? If the system needs purging then maybe twin injectors may be the way to go? I wish you well and good luck in your endeavours. I think there is a induction coil that can be placed around a fuel line to read flow, I saw it a long time ago cant remember the details.

Regards JD.

Dear Sir,

Thank you for your comments. perhaps you can help find a supplier of a shut-off valve that works automatically, either dc volt operated or ac volt. motorized or solenoid, 3/4" port or 1" port size.

Thank you again

Andy

Researching and testing a fuel saver device is much more complex than finding or searching for a shut-off valve.

Try the ASCO solenoid company.They make many types of electric solenoid valves.What you need is a 3 port, normally open to one port, normally closed to the other, with one port common.You can configure the ports for your needs.Energized is normal, deenergized is backup, or just the opposite.

As far as flow measurement, a turbine meter with external inductive pickup will work.As the turbine blades rotate, they alter the magnetic field of the pickup unit, creating pulses. Signal amplification and scaling can be done with your computer.Many compnies make this type of flowmeter.

I would be interested in seeing a drawing of how your system works, if it will not compromise any proprietary information.You can send it to my email address, or here.

Sir,

I haven't reach the 58% level yet, only 42%.

you are absolutely right. however we have the recorded data, sent to us by our field engineers.

Actually the fuel saving is not done by simply restricting entry of the fuel to the host engine, there is a technology behind it.

The name of the machine dictates that the fuel is converter to a new form of fuel, thus giving the primary fuel a new characteristics making it efficient.

At the moment our website is underconstruction, I will post it as soon as it is ready for viewing. www.nh2nichevision.com, mean while can you help me find a supplier of a 2 way shut-off valve electrically operated either by solenoid or actuator 1/2" or 3/4" port.

Thank you

Andy

Oy ve. When this gets finalized, I'm sure with a little engineering and tweaking, this should be able to save an additional 10 to 20 %.

I have not been able to find any information on what your generator is actually adding or doing to the diesel. The only reference I can find is regarding adding urine to the diesel (that doesn't sound right at all thou ).

There are plenty of companies that can supply electrically-operated solenoid valves that should do the trick, and they should also do changeover valves but you will need two of them to isolate your generator (I think based on what you have indicated). If you could give us an idea on the diesel pressure and chemical makeup of the modified diesel coming out of the generator that will help in specifying the right kind of valve with the correctly rated seals and o-rings.

A little more information would help. Does your generator not have a straight-thru labyrinth fuel flow arrangement? What's the additive?

Another thing is that I am in need of a very accurate flow measuring device to measure up the forward flow and the return flow of diesel fuel to and from the generator.

Why do you need to do this? Can't you just monitor the output pressure of the Diesel going to the load (generator in this case) and adjust a valve to keep it constant?

As I said before, more information is required as we see quite a few of these sort of devices come thru, and they are generally free-energy scam or hopeless backyard inventor devices that don't work (so you can imagine why some people are posting sceptical comments ). At the very least keep me informed as your device interests me (part of my job is in power transmission and distribution R&D afterall), so much in fact that I am going to ask again, could you please provide more information and perhaps a bit of history on the development and operation of this new device (pictures and diagrams perhaps).

Thanks.

1- The valve you try to get. The dimensions are quite important. If the pressure or/and the pressure drops are important you will be obliged to use a 2 stage valve. Basically you can use a cartridge which is common in high flow hydraulics. I think that usual seals will be ok if not (temperature too high) you can go to Viton or even more exotic materials. Look at Bosch Rexroth Vickers which are the most important manufacturers and available almost all over the world.

2- For the flow measuring the problem is the flow magnitude. With available systems (Kracht and others) it is possible to obtain VERY high accuracies. For example it is possible dynamically to determine the leak during the travel of a piston.

Such devices are in fact gear motors with an electrical pick up for every tooth passing by the sensor. Their very low own friction makes internal leaks almost nil.

Let me know if you need more support but if you need more data are to be supplied as flows and pressures. It would also be good to know how small should be the reaction time of the valves.

Thank you for your help

Andy

www.floscan.com for the fuel flow metering

If we assume a power factor of 1 for a second to get a feel for what sort of fuel use reduction you are achieving, we'd expect that in going from 700KVA to 300KW, the fuel consumption would drop (by 57%) to 43% of that at 700KVA. Is that what you are saying?

I'd suggest Global Spec for the fuel valves and flowmeters.

Hi Andy,

Please tell us the power in KW generated per litre of Diesel before and after the installation of your Nh2 converter. This will help us know exactly the magnitude of your claim and clear our doubts. Thanks.

Dear friend hello I am Mr. A.C.Zervos Greek nationality

My email is zervostassos@hotmail.com

I have as well been experimenting lot on fuel efficiency systems and as well in alternative fuels and efficient power generation

I have aircraft engineering as background studies and I have involved in plastic packaging production and other industrial lines and utilities

Coming to you enquiry for assistant I thing from what you mention there is a solution using special nozzles coming from Germany for diesel engines that are for converting diesel to natural gas without the use of spark plug

These nozzles are using the current system of diesel from 10% to 100%

1) Opening gate valve to the input of the natural gas (is where you can have your fuel input instead of natural gas)

2)10% to 100% diesel is adjusted automatically and mechanical from the nozzle system depending on the capacity of the fuel in the second point (natural gas)

The only thing you are replacing in the diesel engines is the nozzles and is necessary to supply the inputs in the nozzles with the secondary fuel (natural gas or your fuel) with pressure sustained as common rail fuel systems

A.C.ZERVOS

Do you have an Australian cousin called AC Servo? ffeJ

I want one for my 06 Harley, electra glide classic, to test also.

Dear Sir,

I have already passed your quest to a group of engineers who most certainly will give you a solution to your issue in dealing with Diesel flow mweasurements.

We are also interested in knowing your product Nh2 fuel converter as we may want to find applications in USA and Latin America.

Look forward to hearing from you soon,

Antonio Noriega

VP Marketing & Sales

Please forgive me if I'm mistaken. A company that has developed this global changing device can't select a solenoid valve and flow measurement equipment? Even if "your company" is not able to do it surely your "field engineers" could! If I'm wrong please press on to fuel savings!

Spot on, but at least they're not asking for investors. ffeJ

Hauck mfg out of lebanon,PA has some of the best fuel conctrols Ive see ,and can handle extremes ,temp, viberation, dirt ect.I know from my own exp. on a twenty million btu burner. Good luck ,JMK W Fgo nd

This is an excellent idea, that is, to use the fuel as the hydraulic medium to operate a valve upon pressure failure in the primary fuel system.

Also a good idea to use floscan instrumentation instead of trying to "re-invent the wheel". These boys have been doing fuel flow for quite a while and are the de-facto standard in the marine diesel fuel flow instrumentation arena.

Here's the link

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/15743#newcomments

Dear Andy,

We are also working on improving the efficiency of big diesel generator sets but not by modifying the fuel system. We work in the 1-5 MW range for distributed power generation. Please send me some more information about test results, principle of operation, cost. If this works I'd be happy to use it and distribute it in europe.

Best regards,

Randolph Toom

HMMM... Very interesting. Are you sure about these 50%?

Anyhow, what you need is easy to obtain, If I were you I would use aircraft type fuel flow indicator PLUS fuel pressure indicator, and have them connected to a data logger. The more sophisticated ones have this option already installed, and the simpler ones will need to modified, a piece of cake for someone who knows what he is doing in electronics. I would use a vain type flow meter as they all are generator type and will be easy to modify them to be connected to a data logger.

Now as to auto shutdown: you need to use a fuel change over mechanism that will be actuated in case one of several predetermined thresholds is reached. these could be the fuel flow and pressure, current consumption under a certain load, voltage regulation excitation voltage etc. and of course the regular auto shutdown in case of low oil pressure or excessive oil temp. etc. not a big problem. Again look at aircraft emergency or fuel management solenoid fuel valves. This can be easily be obtained by using two (2) one-way solenoid valves one is normally open, connected to the Nh2 the other is a normally closed connected as by-pass directly to the fuel pump. this is cheap compare to a change over valve.

Once you finished, I want to be your exclusive world distributor....Well, maybe not worldwide South America alone will make me a millioner, and that's good enough.

www.shadin.com and than click on "Digiflow". Hope it helps.

Wangito.

Dear wangito,

Thank you for the suggestion on the auto shut off valve , it works, Please send me your e-mail so that I could send you the picture of the piece of work I have done base on your suggestion.

Andy

Andy

Hello Andy,

Glad to be of help.

You can E-mail me at wangito@gmail.com

Cheers, Wangito.

Andy,

Am still waiting for your pic's.......would love to see them

Wangito.

wangito@gmail.com

It sounds great. Please keep me informed of developments.

Mostafa El Shamy

mokash@tedata.net.eg

I would like to use for our diesel genertaors sets. Any contact is appreciated.

Shivaram

Cadbury Bangalore

+91-9845756340

email- shivaram.prasad@ap.csplc.com

Also please inform KWH/Liter before and after. If makes sense we can use it across.Your immediate reply is highly appreciated

Shivaram

+91-9845756340

shivaram.prasad@ap.csplc.com

Look into Tokyo Keiso Flow meters, (malema in the US). They offer a full range of flow meters including ultrasonic meters for difficult liquids.

It is very encouraging to know this type of product. Can you mail address of company who is supplying this product.

parveen

parveenksoni2yahoo.co.in