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Well...a bit too much carbon monoxide in the area can really screw with general productivity.

or are you referring to having to watch the catty secretary in that teeny tiny red mini skirt...that screws up my efficiency.

halo i'm asking abt general.

Example

studying is more efficient than studying in groups for me

1) Sport teams from coastal regions suffer in the thinner atmosphere of high ground, At 1500 m there is less oxygen per breath.

2) A team does perform better than an individual. One man can't do much against a team.

3) Studying in group atmosphere - Can remember the beer, wine etc the rest is vague by now.

halo i'm talking abt his mind not health when his mind will work efficient?

Well, there are tables that estimate environmental allowances to aid workers efficiency, taking into account noise, temperature etc, would this help?

being a student they have lot of limitations and restriction in the class room so n/o body had taught of changing his class room atmosphere by having intractive pics which makes him to think innovatively.

NOTE : I'm a engg student

I followed your different comments as well in the ME part of cr4.

You state of mind is against groups and engineering is a profession where you have to deal with other people. In this profession you have to comply with "others" accept to respect them and deal with them. A good engineer is as well a good communicator and a good salesman since he always has to sell his ideas to other people.

You think that you do not need to study since you in fact believe to be so good that your own knowledge will fulfil the needs of your profession.

You do not accept tuition considering it as not required for success and so on.

I am an engineer since over 40 years and still fully active. I have many times developed products ahead of time and I have ideas, patents and am successful in my profession. Based on this experience may I suggest you to change your path to a profession where you will find what you think you need and be happy if not you will be all your life frustrated : your image of the profession is totally different from what it is.

Your arguments about inventors without being in school are partially correct since intelligence has nothing to do with studying but to make the invention work it is not enough to have the idea and at today's development speed the traditional method of "cut and try" is not any more as valid as it was 50 or 100 years ago since products are more sophisticated and require a broad knowledge to make them work.

Apparently you are not aware of it. If you still want to be a mechanical engineer you must change your way of thinking.

By the way since all along you insisted that one will not need what he learns I can give you an example I met when I was a young engineer. A group of important engineers of the company where I worked as that time took a decision which did not consider basic principles of stress computation learned in school. They were "practical" persons with a great experience. The result was a disaster. I had to "repairer" their errors which helped me to get the respect not always given to the youngest "inexperienced " guy. If you want to find yourself in the same position then continue the way you are on or leave college.

sir,

i can get u but do u think that the way in which engineering reaches the youngsters(students) is good and healthy for the carrier. if so i'll change myself if not ???

Tell me what u except as a senior engineer from ur junior

IS THAT TO STATE ANY LAW?

OR

TO DERIVE AN EQUATION WHICH U WON'T FIND IN BOOKS?

OR

TO ANALYSE THE PROBLEM IN THE SPOT?

can u plz tell

What I expect from a junior engineer is first to want and be able to learn all his life long to keep abreast with evolution.

I expect him to try to understand what happens and to try to find a solution by himself if possible and if not to be able to ask for help. I expect him to be able to work in a team and respect the team working conditions which are settled according to majority's wish.

To be able to discuss his and other's ideas in an objective manner without being agressive and not be a "yes sir!" but to accept that he can be wrong.

One is seldom able to analyse a problem on the spot as you dream to do. The more complex the problems are the less easy it is to find the solution on the spot since for any kind of problem there are several possible apparent solutions. But without a lot of what you do not like (theory) it is many times quite difficult to understand what is the real problem. Learning theory is not disturbing the creativity.

What do you believe theory to be? Theory is condensed practice and some times for making it easier simplified. If you master theory the approach to solutions is much more rapid and rewarding.

A good engineer today must have a basic knowledge of theory due the growing complexity of technical solutions. He must like to get dirty hands and feel the "machine", he should not despise the knowledge of people with less formal education or lower degrees since they can be very creative and due to experience know more in some directions.

You mention the need to derive an equation not available in a book.

It happens from time to time that for a better understanding build up a model and see how it behaves on paper could be of great help. Contradiction between model and noticed behaviour helps to go into the depth and look from other angles. I was several times in such situations when the qualitative assumptions were corrected by a quantitative model analysis.

All depends on what you want to do in your life what kind of engineer you want to be do not forget that many good technicians are better than trained engineers and they are appreciated without any engineering degree. May be you want to make your way by self education, why not, the most important in life is when you are still young and able to change to choose the direction which will make you happy.

You give the feeling to be unsatisfied in school it is may be better for you to live it and make a more pleasant choice.

Hi Ragavan

Studying in groups may have advantages but it can easily get out of control. Each person must decide what is best for him. While doing a test he is on his own.

In a work situation it will often be teamwork because a combination of knowledge may be required.

About interactive pics. A picture may be worth a 1000 words but a animated picture (via Mr google) on the PC is worth 10000 words.

What year are you now?

third

Self evidently ..YES

won't the student who is class topper get diverted? if so what's the way to use that deviation effectively?

don't say it as his problem i knew very much abt students because i'm a student

won't the student who is class topper get diverted?

Get diverted to what? What do you mean? Please state your question completely.

don't say it as his problem i knew very much abt students because i'm a student

Hey, I was a student once also. In fact, I still consider myself a student because I learn things everyday. My present school is what we call the "school-of-hard-knocks". Life in other words.

I do say it is the student's problem because it really is. Kids nowadays find it easier to blame the system, their teachers or their parents for their problems. Rarely do I find a kid who takes responsibility for his own actions or future.

Sure, if you have a lousy teacher, you won't learn much from him. If your parents don't follow up or take an interest in your studies, you may think they don't care whether you pass or not. What matters is that you care. You have to care. Otherwise, you're just setting yourself up for failure when you start your working life.

You might ask, "If I'm not told everything I need to learn, how can I know if I'm missing anything?" The short answer is, "you don't". It's unfortunate. But everyone will tell you, you won't learn everything in school. You learn more after school. School just teaches you the basics and gives you the skills to learn how to learn. The rest is up to you.

Do working atmosphere create any change in worker's efficiency?

Of course it does! Poor lighting or poor air conditioning has a profound effect on what a worker can achieve. So does excessive heat or cold.

I remember a few years ago inspecting a project, a church building, in Edmonton, Alberta during the winter. The temperature was -40^o (Fahrenheit or Centigrade, take your choice, it's the same) and 20 kph winds which adds a significant wind chill. The erectors were lifting steel beams and trusses with a crane. Two trusses were so large that they needed two cranes, one at each end. The men were literally walking on ice covered steel members, spud wrenches in hand trying to make structural connections in extremely unfavorable conditions. I was practically frozen just watching them but I marveled at their ability to carry out the work in such conditions.

In Iraq, many years ago, as a child, I remember watching a number of Iraqi men attempting to construct a wall in temperatures of about 125^o F. Were they efficient? Well what do you think?

So the answer to your question is yes, working atmosphere does affect the efficiency of workers. Now, you are an engineering student and you are probably in very comfortable conditions. So, may I suggest that you get on with your studies and work toward being a tribute to your profession.