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04/10/2008 10:43 AM

I received this email from a friend:

if you somehow locked your keys in the car and had an extra battery-operated key elsewhere, you could call someone and have them hold the device to their phone and push the button while you hold your phone towards your car...viola. door opened from remote location.

She claims her dad tried it out and it worked.

I'm skeptical, for all the obvious reasons. So I did some googling and found some hits that say it's bogus, and some that say they tried it and it worked.

It seems like it shouldn't work - since phones work off of sound and remote keys work off of RF, and at different frequencies than the phone's RF.

But then, it also seems unlikely that a cell phone could transmit sound through an unpowered speaker - and we've all observed that phenomena.

So, I tried it this morning. It didn't work. But no experiment is valid with only a single data point. So, my challenge to you is to perform this experiment and report back.

Be sure that you are far enough away from the car that the remote can't work on it's own (mine works on the car in the driveway from inside the house).

Also, make a note of your signal strength - mine was weak when I tried it. And the distance to the nearest cell tower, if you know it. And also your brand of cell phone and provider.

Mine is ATT, with an LG phone at the transmitting end and an ATT 8525 PDA at the car end.


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04/10/2008 1:08 PM

I would stake a thousand quatlous on this being complete bunkum...

Maybe if the key worked on audio it might work.

The microphone on a phone isn't going to pick up anything above about 15-20khz and that is probably being generous...they are designed to pick up speack so probably cut off quite low.

If I felt so inclined I could probably think of another 'n' reasons why it is daft.

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04/11/2008 12:53 AM

Caveat - The person on the cell phone is standing next to you near the car.

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04/11/2008 10:54 AM

What if the microphone and speaker were piezo devices and responded to a few hundred KHz or more? Naw. I think it's rubbish too, but instead of talking about it, everyone should try it - would only take a few minutes - then we'd know. Darn, I was hoping to use that idea one day. Regards John

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04/11/2008 5:01 PM

I think your kiloquatlous is/are safe - I've never heard of an audio keyless entry system, they're RF, and far from cell phone frequencies.

Personally, I never lock my car. Anyone who wants in that bad will break a window, and they cost too much to replace. Then, I'm not only out what they took, but the price of the window installed too. I just don't leave stuff in it that would tempt theft.

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04/12/2008 1:34 AM

Oh eliminate the opportunity...what a concept. I don't lock my cars either. I remember when living on Oahu if leave key in car put $20 on antenna and take a 5 minute walk when return door is open; magic...

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04/12/2008 1:45 AM

That's why I carry a spring-loaded carbide pick!

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04/12/2008 2:03 AM

From the way you bounce...you obviously have it stuck up your arse in your back pocket .

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04/12/2008 4:58 AM

Maybe... What YOUR point?

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04/10/2008 1:52 PM

"while you hold your phone towards your car...viola. door opened from remote location."

Somebody was behind the grassy knoll with a third RF key.

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04/10/2008 2:46 PM

I tried it the other day and it did not work. my phone was the away station.

I was thinking it, one can prerecord it as a ring tone.

Even better if one can install it under a voice tag. Imagine saying sh...t and beep beep open the locks.

On a positive note

I have Bluetooth on my cel and a budgie ear piece, then I have a Bluetooth / USB adaptor in the PC. Nice for downloading photos when I can't find the USB cable and download SMS's (all 3 of them). A Bluetooth in the car should work.

I also have infra red but nowhere to use it (my prehistoric laptop use floppies).

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04/10/2008 4:25 PM

A key is more reliable

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04/11/2008 9:46 AM

one can prerecord it as a ring tone

'Did that once upon a time.

While attending a seminar in a room that was right beside the parking lot, my phone sounded off (forgot to put it on silent mode). Several heads turned towards the windows .

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04/10/2008 2:23 PM

Bhankii, this is from an old email chain letter, it is total rubbish...

Please see this link for a true explanation of chain emails...

www.breakthechain.org/

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04/10/2008 2:29 PM

That's wot I said diddle I ?

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04/10/2008 2:33 PM

Ahh yes, but I supported my reply with references and subtitles didn't I?

John - where have you been all day? snoozing in a corner I guess

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04/10/2008 2:47 PM

I'm seeing a lot of exposition, but no experimentation.

No cable TV show for you!

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04/10/2008 2:52 PM

What is there to experiment Bhankii?

It will not work full stop!

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04/10/2008 2:59 PM

Go back and read the link you provided. It provides plenty of evidence that people have made this work. Your job, as a Mythbuster is to try to make it work, and only after exhausting all your good engineering skills on it, then declare it a fraud. Talk is cheap.

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04/10/2008 3:14 PM

They made me work today...that's twice this week

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04/11/2008 4:51 PM

O-M-G!!! You're over your quota! Stop now, or forever hold the pieces...

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04/10/2008 3:46 PM

Ahh, this old chestnut.

http://www.snopes.com/autos/techno/keyless.asp

Busted!

I still like the Mythbusters episode that involved unlocking a key-lock car door using a half of a tennis ball placed against the lock and hit, creating a pressure difference (and popping the lock). Oh people will believe anything they see on You Tube. This was busted also. No prizes for guessing how they faked the video of this "key-less entry device" working.

And back to you Jamie.

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04/10/2008 4:02 PM

snopes:

It's possible this method might work with cars that use something different than standard RKE systems, but it doesn't work with the vast majority of models.

That's still not a categorical "no".

I guess there's no Mythbuster spirit in this group. Where's the pyramid guy?

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04/10/2008 6:47 PM

How about rather than trying it you have a close look at how the key-less entry transmitter and receiver work, and how the cell phones work. You may be able to find a solution that may just do the trick (with a specific car alarm and a little modification of course).

Personally I would just boost the amplification of the key-less entry transmitter so that only the horizon was the limiting factor in the range. The more practical side of me says, just have a spare transmitter handy.

Let me know if you can prove it will work (and by prove I mean not have someone stand within key-less entry transmitter range of the car while using the cellphone to (supposedly) open the car, which is where I believe the confirmation came from in the first place).

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04/11/2008 4:23 AM

AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

It won't work..it can't work...it's busted.... now go to bed with no supper.

(or to the pub if you'd rather)

But maybe we should try it underwater? ..or on the moon?....or maybe it's an act of Divine Intervention....?

Shoot me with a remote operated BB airgun quickly please

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04/11/2008 4:54 PM

You won't like it, but you asked for it...give me a minute to get it out of the box here...

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04/10/2008 4:30 PM

I like the spit in hand then rub til sticky and put on side window rock car up/down/up/down then with exertion as car is rocking up pull hands down and open window...

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04/10/2008 10:57 PM

It works, but only works if the person over the phone is within the emitter range from the car.

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04/11/2008 1:57 AM

Mine works almost every-time.

It almost worked on Monday.

It almost worked on Tuesday.

It almost worked on . . . . .

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04/11/2008 7:59 AM

There are certain areas where my key fob won't work at all, like my Drs office parking lot, let alone over a cell phone. Personally keyless entry is one option I could do without on my car.

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04/11/2008 9:32 AM

The only thing that comes out of a telephone receiver is sound. If the keyless entry system operates on sound waves (which I have never heard of one that does) then there is a possibility that it would open the door over a telephone line. Other than that, I would conclude that the myth has been busted!!

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04/11/2008 10:22 AM

Mine worked ( 2006 Chrysler 300 ) Just hooked the door locks to a CLAPPER-- "as seen on TV". CLAP ON-CLAP OFF. Clap lock-clap unlock.

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If, in fact, you did, indeed, hook your Chrysler door locks to a clapper and it succeeded in unlocking the doors, then re-read my comment #23. You have just proved it. The clapping is sound. Right?

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04/12/2008 1:35 AM

That deserves a round of applause...

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Delivered!

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04/11/2008 10:34 AM

Seems like after all is said and done that it's easier to carry a spare key in the wallet or purse.

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04/11/2008 10:50 AM

or don't lock it

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04/11/2008 11:14 AM

The concept is not unworkable except in this example it is unlikely to succeed...

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04/11/2008 7:50 PM

It is unlikely that the audio part of the cell phone would pick up and send the key code. The rf signal from the key transmitter could be picked up by the rf stage in the cell phone. If this interference was then transmitted, the code could be transmitted, possibly as breaks in the carrier. On the receive end, the if stage could transmit the code to the keylock.

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