Creating a perfect generator !

guest; dream on nothing for nothing pac

As a matter of fact, it can be done. It utilizes the ultrarare element unobtainium, the only known susbtance to be a superconductor even at temperatures above 95,000^oC, rotating in an oscillating pattern in a magnetic field applied perpendicular to the force of gravity. Once activated, it will create a miniature black hole that will suck in antimatter and release energy in levels a thousandfold above unity.

"If" is the key word.

"If" the government allowed it...yes, it would change the world.

"If" it can be placed in a car or truck...yes, I'd buy it.

"If" it came to be...ahh, I think I have a little trouble with that!

I'd laugh at the whole idea and suggest you are only half nutz.

anything else would apparently be unprofessional of a self professed inventor.

so please..

tell me as much as you can.

ok we know there have been a few changes in the last 20 years

a transformer uses changes in wire size to change the voltage

what if you added in magnets around a coil and pulsed the power in as DC do you think if you hit the right wire size and windings you could cause a increase in voltage and amperage ? some may call this a echo in the wire but it can be termed a pulse. the motor people use a diode to stop this from blowing back into the power feed.

as i see it you would have to get the circuit perfect or it would not work at all. see its all about research and finding all these parts as we all know there out there.

tesla had the right idea he loved to play he would try anything he wanted and questioned all there was around him. some how we have stopped and not done that in the last little bit. when solar came out people questioned it and still do as it is only 10 % max efficient.

with a transformer you can make the power change why is it you cannot multiply the power as well ?

food for thought as you ponder the week.

The change in the size of wire in a transformer's primary and secondary windings is to carry more (if its a step down transformer) current. What changes voltage is the number of windings. A transformer with a 10:1 winding ratio will step down voltage to 1/10 of the primary winding voltage. The current will be stepped up 10 times (minus some losses) in the secondary winding. Voltage X Current = Power (For DC circuits and AC circuits with no Volt Amp Reactance = VARS)

You should really study about AC (single and three phase) and DC circuits and devices (not to mention thermodynamics, chemistry and failed perpetual motion machines) before coming up with devices that break the known laws of physics. A diode prevents the flow of current in one direction but allows it in the other. A diode in an AC circuit deletes half of the sine wave (either the positive or the negative depending on which way it is oriented in the circuit.

On the other hand if you have money but your time is too precious to waste on studying, I and many others are available for technical consultations.

"a transformer uses changes in wire size to change the voltage"

News to me I thought wire sizes was to handle the current load.

Dear Guest, you've raised a number of excellent points.

It's good to see that creation scientists are finally moving over into physics.

i agree wholeheartedly and believe that the guest has not only brought up some excellent points but also shown us how much more effective communication can be when we dispense with the common rules of grammar punctuation and syntax it is liberating to stop thinking of people who take the bold step of defying convention in so many ways as freeking nutcases and to instead embrace their way of thinking and acting hertofore this perfect generator would simply be called a bad transformer but now liberated of rational thought we can call it not just a generator but also a nuclear reactor or a horse or a mouse it matters not in fect i am zo imboldened by thiss lign of thot that i wil not spel checque this because it feelz good so be so arogant i say if you cant figur out wat iim triing to say tough thats yer fault

food for thought as you ponder the week.

The week-minded?

with a transformer you can make the power change why is it you cannot multiply the power as well ?

The answer to this question is simple and obvious for someone acquainted with basic physics. If we throw away physics, and instead believe that the world operates on principles of magic, then all things are possible, at least in the mind of the believer. Reality is, after all, largely subjective.

If you wish others to share your view of the world, you will need to, at least, start with a common language, and in this forum, that language is, essentially, the language of science. You could start by publishing the results of your experiments that indicate that the laws of thermodynamics are incorrect. Once you have convinced us of that, then provide schematics of your generation system, and a clear description of how it would work, given your revised set of physics laws.

That first step, convincing us that the laws of thermodynamics are incorrect, might take you many years. Many of us have studied and applied these laws for years and years, and have found not even a hint that they are incorrect. So you, brave soldier, have your work cut out for you, if you'd like us to share your vision.

tesla , westinghouse and edison all used a regular voltage not a chopped wave. if you chop the power comming in and use the magnets to bounce the voltage, amps and freq. then you can by all acounts get this to happen. the problem is not how but when will the device show into the market and what will the acceptance of the public be ?

as per your qustions about the physics and other laws this will draw into the light. who cares the world is round if you recall for a long time it was not but then one man went and did the unthinkable he proved them all wrong. think of all the new and great products we can make ! think about electric cars with no plug in. local power in local areas. no more nuclear waste no more coal all in the next year you say ? pitty to make the big change.

"who cares the world is round if you recall for a long time it was not but then one man went and did the unthinkable he proved them all wrong."

Actually, it doesn't matter what you believe. Whether you believe in the Laws of Thermodynamics or not, they're true all the same. Regarding your comment above, for your information, the world has ALWAYS been round. It did not become round just because some explorer circumnavigated the globe. The reason that people originally thought it was flat was because due to its size, it looked flat unless it was seen from the top of a mountain or cliff.

As for your claim that "if you chop the power comming (by the way, the correct spelling is coming, with only 1 m) in and use the magnets to bounce the voltage, amps and freq. then you can by all acounts get this to happen", please put your money where your mouth is and prove it to everyone by creating such a device and demonstrating it to a panel of scientists, engineers and reporters, then allowing them to examine it for evidence of fraud. The very fact you can make such a claim means that you know how it's done, so there's absolutely no reason why you can't prove us all wrong by doing it. Unless you're completely wrong, that is!!!! But then again, "free energy" wackos like you always are, anyway........

I have seen free energy using magnets. Yes it does work. I was at a fishing camp near the Wabash River in southwestern Indiana. The free energy device was a long orange rope with little wires inside. It was held to the side of the camper with strong horse shoe type magnets. One end of the device connected to the breaker box inside the camper. The other was attached to a 50 foot tall wooden magic wand.

Just kidding, could not resist.

Don't stop trying to do the impossible. Without modern science, who would have believed we could burn water vapors?

ok i have to ask if you build a unit that will make more from less do you feel there is big heat ?

see this is where i was stuck as there was no heat it was just like cold fusion.

i can show you the wave forms no problem but as to useing a dump for the power there are no dumps setup to handle that freq. of power theus where the first testing was flawed. they used a resistor log at 10 amps 60 Hz. the problem was there was 5 Khz of output freq. this means things are going to take longer to heat up.

as well you have to get a meter that can handle that type of power as regular meters can no go as high as 5 plus Khz but hey you know that right ?

"as well you have to get a meter that can handle that type of power as regular meters can no go as high as 5 plus Khz but hey you know that right ?"

So if you have no meter to measure the output, then how do you know you got a power gain? Also, since you claim you've carried out this experiment successfully, can you recreate it and post photos, videos and relevant data from it, as well as the data you obtained from the original experiment so that your data can be evaluated and analyzed? Better yet, can you get your project tested by a renowned testing body, then publish the data here? This is the best way to convince anyone it works.

On top of that, you shouldn't need any input power, or at least after you kick it into life, as it should be self generating/governing

In a transformer if you increase the voltage the amperage goes down. If you decrease the voltage the amperage goes up. The product of V*A remains constant (minus losses in efficiency, primarily heat).

You can not multiply the power. If you could you would be getting more out than you put in and that does not work.

Travis

Hi, Guest!

No no! That can't be true. Some of us are using a step-up transformer to run our washing machines!

Mark

are you sure you could not place magnets around a coil and get more ?

i hear it was done and some guy in the Waterloo area showed it to a prof. at Waterloo U.and they did some testing and from what i hear they got 18 Watts in and 2500 watts out ? as i hear the prof. got a number wrong and it was way more in the range of 25000 watts so maybe its time to look at a new way of thinking ?

does this mean the world was right waterloo is the smartest place on the planet ?

if this is true just think of what can be done ?

no plug in electric cars !

"i hear it was done and some guy in the Waterloo area showed it to a prof. at Waterloo U.and they did some testing and from what i hear they got 18 Watts in and 2500 watts out"

I've heard that the Earth is really a flat island on the back of a gigantic turtle swimming in a colossal ocean. Does that mean it's true? I've also heard that "free energy" believers had been abducted by aliens and had neural-net processors implanted in their nether regions so that they can think up and believe in (bull)shit. Going by your own personal experience, is this true? Or have the "men-in-black" erased your mind and warned you never to talk about what never happened instead?

"On the other hand if you have money but your time is too precious to waste on studying, I and many others are available for technical consultation"

Well, go ahead and do it. If your plan actually works, you'll have investors banging down your door. Don't hide behind The "guest" status, put your name to it. Put it up to public scrutiny, on this forum. We seem to be getting a wave of free energy crap here lately. Show us, prove it to us, and I'll take out a second mortgage on the Ranch to invest in it. I just don't buy the rhetoric that the government is suppressing this stuff. If you have something that actually works, investors will flock to you, and you could sell it regardless of what any government says.

If you sound like and act like an arrogant ass, you will be treated as one here, so put up or shut up.

On the other hand if you have money but your time is too precious to waste on studying, I and many others are available for technical consultation"

Sorry, I meant to agree you on this statement, it didn't come out that way in my post.

Please don't kill the pianist, he's just entertaining us!!!

Yes, I have made such a device, I call it a paper weight.

"With no moving parts" Hmmm, interesting concept, now, the coils and magnets not moving in respect with each other, then no current is excited in the wires from the *changing* magnetic field, so having the magnets and coils there, or not having them there, you'd get the same voltage output, so, I remove the magnets, and coils, and I'm left with this nice large iron core, thus my term as "Paper weight" or, door stop if I cannot lift it up on to the bench.

The only other alternative is a ZPM, that draws its energy from subspace, but as you said, no fuel is used, so with nothing going in, and nothing going out, I still have a paper weight...

well, at least its useful ;o)

It wouldn't change the laws of physics as we know it, though the laws of physics it would change we don't know.

If you do it first hire some black hawks so you can keep it.

I do think it can be done and encourage you to develop a containment field w/many black hawks prior to unveiling.

what a wishfull thinking!

http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/meg.htm

anything like this?

see this is almost right but he missed a few parts

wonder if he will ever get it right ?

what did he forget the magnets ?

Already exists. They call them solar panels.

well what if you could take the solar pannel and make more power with it ?

18 watts to ??000 watts see you would all want one then you could have the hydro game gone

Solar panels do not generate power, they merely convert incoming power (solar radiation) to electrical power. Given the effective temperature of the sun at ground level, the thermodynamic limit to the conversion efficiency would be about 90%; this compares with practical solar cells at less than 20%, so there is considerable scope for improvement.
(But bear in mind that energy stored in oil could theoretically be converted at close to 100%, but the practical limit for a road vehicle remains in the region of 25%, and that is before you take transmission losses into account).

Plus: as for "no waste products", solar cells are far from immortal...

I remember something from grade school science class. We were told that we do not create energy. So, you are saying that solar panels do not "create energy". I would have to agree with you. You are correct in that they do convert one type of energy in to another. The poster asked "what do you feel it would take to make a generator with no moving magnets and coils ? one that used no fuel ? and left no after waste." I assumed he/she meant waste as in spent fuel emissions. I thought then, and still do believe, it was/is a correct answer to the question. This would be opposed to the gen-set I used last night when the wind took out the power lines in my area. It does use magnets, coils, and lots of moving parts. Now, you can point out that the sun is the fuel source. The original question said nothing as to whether the device had to work in both the day and night times.

Your turn.

I think you were as near the mark as practical - in that as an electricity generator it does not cause any fuel to be burnt - i.e. it is using fuel that was already being burned.

I agree that the only reason your interpretation was outside the parameters of the original question is that it does not contradict the known laws of physics - which was the reason I wrote a reply. Sorry that did not come across.

BTW, I don't know why the question was hung up on lack of moving parts - particularly when relating to a car. Removing that would allow wind turbines without electrical intermediary. [To say nothing of land yachts - now that would make driving on normal roads really exciting]

My guess is the limitations are to narrow the possibilities to his/her machine. Oops, I should have said device. My interpretation of a machine is the use of moving parts. Alas, I guess even an electrical device has some moving parts. Even an on/off switch is a moving part. Now a plug in transformer for say a cell phone does not. Is this a more accurate description of the invention? A transformer rather than a generator? This would be in the respect that cosmic energy is being transformed into electricity? Maybe it is more of a venturi? A small amount of electricity is used to start the electric current flowing and then an electrical vacuum is created that moves more electricity then the initial input device could.

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I may have to fire up the old TI-30XA and do some thinking.

I do not want to be to hard on the inventor. I had an idea for a water fountain years ago that did not use any moving parts. I even built a protoype. The flow of water was there but it was so small compared to the size of the pump I never moved forward with it.

Hi, Guest!

Two of these have existed in historical lore. They are (1) the biblical Arc of the covenant which, depending upon which story you believe, disappeared into some cave protected by a secretive African tribe after the destruction of the second temple in Jerusalem, or is lost in the maze of articles in a US military storage base after being snagged away from the Nazis by some guy with a neat hat and a bull whip.

The arc was supposed in some reports to have been a generator that took its power from various combinations and geometric positioning of metals, (such as a coin combination battery does,) and thus 'tapped in' to some exterior great source of energy, but with much more power than a traditional battery; and that was not --apparently-- susceptible to galvanic interaction of its components.

One story circulating is that an imitation made to biblical specs began to exponentially resonate with amperage in a geometrical progression and had to be destroyed to prevent it causing harm to the builders and their immediate environment. But it's unlikely that anyone seriously involved in such a project would be too frightened by such an occurrence to try again with better control modifications, so it's probably just a myth.

and (2) a resonant device that sympathetically imitated the harmonics of dark matter. This is one of the three or four legendary uses of power harnessing and application believed discovered by Tesla, from which take-offs at various points to alter the voltage were apparently used as energy providers for electric motive engines. [Perhaps Tesla was experimenting with information he deduced from biblical descriptions of the Arc!]

In any case, a gang of self-described (Right-Wing) "Christians" of the time, angered that Tesla was fooling around with things that only God should mess with, raided and destroyed his laboratory and equipment in the name of protecting information that only God should know. Tesla himself, actually frightened by these ruffians into disappearing into obscurity (invention-wise) either hid his documentary research subsequent to the raid or it was destroyed by the zealots. Either way, it has not been found to date, and we are stuck with the reports of eye-witnesses who sincerely believed in his genius and the authenticity of what they were observing to know that such a device existed.

[Persons wise in the ways of con artists might argue that the device was a flim-flam and the 'gang' actually thugs hired by Tesla and son to cover up the con by thoroughly 'destroying' the prototypes and his notes in the name of some unassailable cause. I guess that would depend upon how much money he made from his researches or how closely he was being pursued by fellow scientists to disclose his information. However, legend has it that he never became rich, and that pursuit of his information was indeed a current occupation of the physics community.]

Since Tesla was one of very few Croats ever to amount to legend in any of the fields of applied physics up until his time (with Tesla as their exemplar, there have been lots since!), it has become a Croatian physicist's dream to recover this lost technology.

Thus, people around the globe are working on replicating Tesla's inventions seriously until this day. (Who knows? There may even be magnetic components!) Stay tuned to the internet for current updates on Tesla's discoveries.

Mark

Markthehandyman i see you can think outside the box !

Tesla had a few things he was working on and im sure this was one of them as i understand there is a feild that is created once you achive overunity at 20,000 % plus over the feild is large.

beardon had it some what right. problem is you have to watch as the static buildup will short out the coils fast. you also loose power this way best to float them in oil.

you also have to watch the EM feed back will blow out all the other parts but i think Tom knows that pitty he lives in the USA land of the not free.

sorry to see Robert Johnston died he was like the reason i love to play after i read the book i got more out of it then anything i had learned in the last 2 years.

now all i want is a mapping machine so i can see the hole picture as to what i am seeing is what i am seeing.

Guest

Popular myth had it wrong. Tesla didn't die in poverty, nor was his research notes destroyed to protect the interests of "Big Oil" and "The New World Order" as was popularly believed. What really happened was that he made contact with a technologically advanced extraterrestrial civilization who felt mankind wasn't ready for his discoveries, so to protect us mindless homo sapiens, the aliens abducted him to their homeworld, where he is now worshipped as a god, alongside his alter-ego and avatar, L. Ron Hubbard.

Oops!

I meant 'Ark' of the covenant, defined originally: a container designed for animal species survival as a big boat built by Noah; and later: a small portable container for the ten commandments of Moses (the one mentioned above); and still later: a resting place of Torahs in synagogues.

And most recently, the last three letters in my name!

Spell check missed that one! -M

MarkTheHandyman,

If you repeat a commonly held belief often enough it becomes truth?

You are off your range and closely fitting the expression 'all hat and no cattle'

Hi, bwire!

y'oughta see me in my cowboy hat!

Mark

(although both Ark & Tesla references can be footnoted...just not important enough.)

Dear Guest, If you could really achieve this, I think the first people who would come knocking on your door would not be the governmaent, but the oilman, he would want to buy you out straight away irrespective of your price.

well as of yet no oil person hydro was there a few weeks ago banging on the door and was told NO.

see its about green if its not green then under the mandate they will not allow the unit to be purchased.

and Santa Claus REALLY IS going to bring me a new Ferrari for Christmas.

not unless your father or girl friend get there named changed will you be getting a new car from St nic

If the device your referring to is post #17, then Fuel is still being used.

Fuel is the electricity to first "excite" the circuit, then the switch over to the fuel that is the magnetic field caused by the magnets mounted in the centre

see now here is a great answer as this was what i was thinking that the magnets would be the fuel. i am just not sure how the other bunch of people will view this ?

hope i am not burned at the stake ! i am not a witch or a warlock !

"if you chop the power comming in and use the magnets to bounce the voltage, amps and freq. then you can by all acounts get this to happen"

"see now here is a great answer as this was what i was "

Now you've got us all confused. Which is it, are the magnets are supposed to be the energy source, or are they supposed to boost the rectified DC current? They cannot possibly do both, because fuel is consumed as it supplies energy. Whichever way you look at it, you require an external power supply to power the system, and that means LOSSES, something you refuse to believe. And that also directly contradicts your claim that your system requires no external fuel source.

"i can show you the wave forms no problem but as to useing a dump for the power there are no dumps setup to handle that freq. of power theus where the first testing was flawed."

Another thing, you claimed to have received a power gain earlier, even though you have no meter to measure it, which implies that you have already performed the experiment successfully. Refer to your own statement above for proof. Now you're saying that what you were "thinking (is) that the magnets would be the fuel", which implies that you have NOT yet performed the experiment. So how can you claim to have achieved a power gain when you have not yet even performed the experiment yet, let alone successfully?

Please explain all your self-contradictions properly. If not, it looks like I will have no choice but to report you as a potential scammer.

Are you sure all your problems are with the same "guest" or are there several that your putting in a small room together?

Good question. Going by the writing style and line of reasoning, they're all probably posted by the same person.

yes it is all the same person. so i have to ask if they can find a loop in a superconductor then you must feel there is a chance that some one can stumble upon a bunch of anomalies ? these could be as simple as some one building a pulse motor that hit the jackpot with the right windings and parts to cause this power. then figure out a way to increase it more and more as with most things there are limits to the amount of power as well as to the wire size that one can use.we also have tested magnets and the shapes and sizes.

howard johnson found the vortexes on the corners of the magnets that are always spinning. as well as there are others that have developed magnets that can increase the tesla to over 10,000 T on the corners in the vortexes. all you have to do is think and it seems there are not alot that can these days.

anyway this has been a insiteful as to what i can expect in public as i release to the world what has been done. today i had the government here and they know what i am doing and are ok with it so far they are even going to help get us into the market and get more testing done so i can play with bigger wire and magnets.

and yes you may have guessed it im not in the USA.

the Guest !

and I want to post anonymously still !

Hi, Guest!

Don't get discouraged just because some of us point out the discrepancies between your research and the known world. Hang in there and keep trying. You might yet develop something, as it's certain that you are not just an idle fantasizer but rather a very active one. In addition, many of the blogs have tried to be of assistance to you, not only with information and discussion, but also with cautious encouragement (16, 46, 49, 8, 13).

It's pretty evident that we generally think and have been trying to tell you that the laws of thermodynamics are not going to be easily altered. But altering them is what science fiction does for science; and when given the inspiration, bright boys in research or basement labs can sometimes find ways around or even through the rules that lead us into new ways of looking at the future.

Bucking the establishment will always get you a reaction. One of the chief messages you've been given was to use what you have learned in here to apply checks and balances to your research, and present it clearly and in logical steps with lots of solid scientific backing and support for any degree of sympathetic hearing it's entitled to.

Now get up, wash off your bruised knee, and get back to work applying the known laws of thermodynamics to your invention and inventing one or two more if you can.

Mark

Well you know i started off with a 10 mm magnet like everyone else and made it work so it would self power. Then I went to a 1 inch magnet and got the chance to play in overlapping fields. But I still got it to work as well. Now am on 2 inch magnets and have 2 sets of coils and duel timing circuits and output circuits. And beat the over lapping fields. Made a few new friends along the way I can call and chat to when I get stuck as well I may make a buck or 2 off the patent. I have it so it can fit in a case that is 16 x 18 x 6 deep. We can hang it on a wall or in the back of a motor car. See all this time i was looking at the big picture what is it I need to do to help the global warming to slow down. Nice thing is i can do electrolysis so if the lies are right and the oceans will rise 21 feet we will need to have floating units that can move with the currants of the oceans as they work. Think of all that fresh water in the atmosphere the balance will be back in the oceans as well.

Your new friend Guest !

ps:

Waterloo is not the smartest place on the planet as most of the brains comute to work !

According to reading taken of ocean temperatures over 50 years time cooler is the operative word.

ok so this would mean that there was a flaw back when tesla and edison and westinghouse all made the first generation unit maybe tesla found that if you did not move the magnets they would go dead. with all the new magnets and things we can pulse in the coil and collapse the feilds and then pull off the voltage as the feilds collapse back into the coils. you would need to have some good equipment and rectifiers to pull it off but with all the new parts on the market its now a do able process. just have to get all your ducks in the right place.

you are right as there is not a lot of equipment that can test this power as the companies that build there crap need to play catch up and you just have to figure out the rest on your own as i will not tell you all the secrets !

So, what your saying, is that as the magnets are not supplying fuel (fuel is energy that is consumed) then, once the device is kicked into gear, it is self sustaining, and runs on perpetual energy, much like perpetual motion?

Who's to say that magnets don't loose their field over time, and the operation of this circuit doesn't shorten their life?

So, what your saying, is that as the magnets are not supplying fuel (fuel is energy that is consumed) then, once the device is kicked into gear, it is self sustaining, and runs on perpetual energy, much like perpetual motion?

Yes, the magnets are not fuel. No, the device never gets kicked into gear and becomes self-sustaining. There is no more reason to think that this scheme might be a successful perpetual motion machine than there is to think that other attempts would be successful.

Who's to say that magnets don't loose their field over time, and the operation of this circuit doesn't shorten their life?

Any physicist, most electric motor designers, and anyone with an elementary understanding of magnets. If magnets operated as a fuel, then they would give off energy as they ran down. In fact, to demagnetize magnets you must input energy: for example most "permanent" magnets can be demagnetized by heating them.

Hi, Blink!

If somehow magnets could be used as a 'fuel source' by for example floating opposing pole magnets along their lines of force, they might 'run down' as the counter magnetic forces eventually un-aligned some of the molecular structure of the magnetic material on both sides. Does the re-alignment of the molecular structure count as 'giving-off energy'? Or because it happens on both sets of magnets, does it count as 'inputting energy'?

Mark

I suppose you could think of coercivity (the property that makes permanent magnets permanent, and which allows you to have your laptop in your car, close to the power window motor, without the disc being erased) as being like the stiffness or softness of putty. Soft putty looses its shape under the force of gravity, but stiff putty does not. You can expend some energy to shape a putty ball into a an obloid, so it becomes polar. Reshaping it into a ball again requires more energy.

Magnetizers and demagnetizers both use energy at a rate related to the coercivity of the item being magged/demagged.

So, they are perpetual energy suppliers?

Never needing a input of anything to create them, and never running out?

If F=ma then how is the magnetic force applied to this equation? or is it unrelated?

I'm just thinking (possibly not the first) that for the magnets to support something say, N-N or S-S then there is a force holding a supporting mass? or am I just running myself around in circles after spending a day doing mind numbing work? (cable harness wiring)

So, they are perpetual energy suppliers?

No, they (magnets) can only supply a force (unless you burn them, by heating them red hot and then supplying lots of oxygen, for example). In ordinary use, permanent magnets are permanent: your refrigerator magnets are unlikely to fall off anytime soon. Because they are permanent, they cannot supply energy as a fuel does... a fuel is, by definition, consumed.

If a "20 pound pull*" magnet were brought into contact with a piece of steel, one could lift that piece of steel. If we lifted the steel 2 feet, we would have done 40 lb-ft of work, and expended 40 lb-ft of energy. The magnet did not do any work -- the person moving the steel and magnet did the work. The magnet could be replaced by a piece of rope -- and the rope too, will have done no work.

If the magnet were used to accelerate the piece of steel, the person doing the acceleration could apply a force of 20 lbs to the magnet, and if that person could keep that up, the steel would accelerate at 32 feet per second per second (9.8 meters per second per second). A person, an engine, or the like would be said to be supplying the energy that is consumed in lifting the steel ever higher. In fact, the energy for the person would be supplied by food, which if from a vegetable source would come from sunlight fairly directly. (If the energy came from meat, the energy would also come from sunlight, but less directly, through the food chain, with more greenhouse gases being generated along the way.)

I'm just thinking (possibly not the first) that for the magnets to support something say, N-N or S-S then there is a force holding a supporting mass? or am I just running myself around in circles after spending a day doing mind numbing work? (cable harness wiring)

Yes, there is a force supporting a mass. The mass, under the effect of gravity, has a weight, and the magnetic force must equal that weight for there to be any separation between the supporting magnets.

Related discussion:

http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-80083.html

* "x pound pull" is a very loose measure of a magnet: the assumption is that the magnet is in full contact with a "typical" magnetic object. Obviously some materials are more magnetically attractive than others. Also some materials make better, more permanent magnets than others: many tools become magnetized with use, and to remove such magnetism, you can use a tool demagetizer ( which is just like a magnetic tape eraser). The old brushed generators in cars relied on residual magnetism to begin to charge, after which the field would be supplied by the electrical system as a whole (battery and generator).

ok again you need to read the bible of magnets

Howard Johnson - The Secret World of Magnets (Spintronics)

from the book you get this one page that will say it all page 31 it says

The Discovery of the Double Vortex

After predicting for years the presence of a vortex in the fields of permanent magnets, Steve Davis and I were working late one night with our three axis gauss meters and a new computer, mapping magnetic fields. I was starting to go home when he announced, "I don't know what I am doing, but I have something here that looks pretty linear." He proceeded to bring up on the screen, in living color, the forming of a double vortex. Not only was the double vortex there, but we could see as it formed, the opposite spins in such a perfect way. We knew that this had to be the beginning of something new and mighty important. The question now was, "How do we use it to the greatest advantage? How do we explain its importance to the patent structure that we have been developing for many years?" We resorted to the libraries and studied many months to see what others had done. The results showed a great desert in this area. Researchers, it seemed, had been content with the ancient iron filings as a mapping tool and had not used twentieth century methods to see what could be seen. The field had simply been ignored. We ran a picture on the cover of National Laboratory but only the magazine seemed to sense the importance of it. We have used our mapping methods to show the fields around a conductor, to show how a new generator works, to describe the thrust of permanent magnet units, and to explain our versatile gate

discovery.

Now is this the Dr. Howard Johnson who writes an occasional article in EDN magazine? I take anything HE writes at face value.

If it is the Howard Johnson who bags groceries at the local market, he would require alot of work to gain credibility in my eye.

Bill

Now is this the Dr. Howard Johnson who writes an occasional article in EDN magazine? I take anything HE writes at face value.

howard is dead from what i hear so he will not be writing any more and yes i was interested as what had been shown to me in the book was what i was seeing in the lab in testing. the movment in the vortexes are what we use to create the power aplification. without these magnets we would not be able to pull this off !

OK... I assume that this is a different Howard Johnson.

Bill

Ken thanks i needed something to read today !

The way they have placed the magnets are indeed usless as there will be no extra power anywhere in that mess. the secet that was found by me was the circuit that inputs and removes the power from the system. see i get positive off the negative side and negitive off the positive side.

There is no more reason to think that this scheme might be a successful perpetual motion machine than there is to think that other attempts would be successful.

Just a minor curiousity here uh why does the earth keep spinning?

Is it an attempt that was successful?

Just a minor curiousity here uh why does the earth keep spinning?

Is it an attempt that was successful?

The earth keeps spinning as a result of inertia -- the same reason a flywheel keeps spinning.

"An attempt" suggests there must be an attempter. If there was an attempter who intended to make the earth continuously spin at constant speed, then the attempt was not successful. The earth slows down (and the moon gets further way) mainly as a result of tidal drag.

Slowing down is still spinning

And attempt-er; yes definitely...

Hi, Blink!

I just found these article stored in an old file on my computer. I probably looked it up during this discussion. It has to do with Magnacoaster's magnetic vortices.

http://www.physorg.com/news76855551.html

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v444/n7118/abs/nature05240.html

and a few others, which I'll add in a next post (being timed out on this one!)

In reading back through this stuff, I wondered whether you had seen my entry #116 (I think!) about the work available from any physical phenomenon not being immediately apparent, and hence potentially not in contradiction to the known laws of physics, even when it looks like it might be before it's better understood.

Mark

Hi, Blink!

OK. Here are the rest of the articles on that old storage page. At least now I know what the subject matter of the page was when I created it. (Now, finally, I can label it properly and let it sink gracefully into the stack of stored but never again to be read articles in my documents file.) They all seem to be about the various research being done on the magnetic vortices Magnacoaster thinks may have something to do with the motion of his engine. I must've recorded them at the time of this blog set and then lost them as "document 3" in the pile.

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/58

http://www.smn.uio.no/pdf/Wadahl-Seminar/Yurchenko.pdf (especially juicy stuff!)

http://www.als.lbl.gov/als/science/sci_archive/172vortices.html (more of the same, with promise reflected in the second half of the last paragraph of the report for someone interested in energy-harnessing the phenomenon.)

As ol' Shaky expounded on the joys of engineering 'way back when, "There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio." It keeps us all motivated to push the boundaries.

Mark

Hi Mark,

None of the links you supplied has anything to do with Magnacoaster's devices, which he has claimed (for many months) to have in production and which he has offered for sale for about 6 months. You seem to be actively helping Richard create confusion, in that the only relationship between his "device" and the employment of magnetic vortices in computer storage is the term "vortex" which Richard corrupts to "vorktex".

There is not a single sentence in Richard's site that offers a remotely plausible reason for his device working as claimed, and I have no reason to believe that it does. However, despite my reasonable level of skepticism (given that Richard claims that the laws of physics will need to be rewritten to explain its operation) I have offered to test the device, which has been "in production" for many months for free, an offer Richard is unlikely to get elsewhere. Yet he has not sent me a unit. As should be patently obvious, if you have a unit that outputs large multiples of the input energy, you have a multi-trillion dollar device, and getting it on to the market sooner rather than later makes sense from every perspective. He currently has no independent verification that the device works, and I have offered to test a unit, but he has not sent me a unit.

Until I read about this in Science, or until I have a unit to test (and if it works I will be certain everyone at CR4 knows it works... and I have a list of hundreds of media contacts, and I be happy to inform them as well). As Richard must know, there are many CR4 people who would be happy to test his device. If he thinks I would do an inadequate job, then send a device to someone else. He has been claiming to be selling the devices, so there is no secret to be protected, and further, he claims to have many patents pending, offering additional protection. Yet nowhere do we hear (from a satisfied customer, from a university, from a peer-reviewed journal or even from a Popular Mechanics) that the device does anything useful.

If you want to promote such a device, that's fine -- but why don't you ask him to send you one for testing -- then, if this turns out to be a scam, you will not be seen to be aiding and abetting, if you have tested one and said that it does not work. Dennis Lee promotes the same sort of device and has done jail time, as a result. Are these the sorts of people and schemes you want to promote? Why are you not singing Dennis Lee's praises? Lee's "explanation" for his device working is every bit as plausible as Richard's explanation.

The explanation of how it "might" work or "could" work is of no consequence. The only thing of consequence is whether or not it has been demonstrated to work. Thousands of people would be happy to do a valid test for Richard: the test is, after all, very simple.

Hi, Blink!

Glad to see you keeping an open mind about this, which is all I want to do too, until the device is proven as either genuine or a fake. But in the meantime as an inventor, I do not want to discourage Richard in case the former applies.

If he agrees to your offer, I hope you drive that thing up here when you do your review. I'd really love to see its latest incarnation.

Mark

Did I see you featured in a magazine article lately? Nice writeup about you and your generator.

Mark

hat magazine was that have to ask

well i have a copy here and cant find me anywhere in there must have my dubble in there i guess

OK. I'll check more closely. It'll take a while.

Mark

ok let me know as i will be on tv in October will post here what channel and when as i get it. We have a few high profile clients now that have orders pending with regulator aproval.

so this is a picture of the first 7 K off the line the cover has yet to be stickered. The new 12 K boxes as well as the new covers will be ready next week as well we have the 12 K inverters coming at the end of the month.

Their will be 2 units in public locations as of mid october as well as a few other places in the world. We are waiting on a export permit as of right now so we can send some units to other countires.

As per big units we are in talks to put a big unit 1 MW into the Sarnia area. as soon as we get OPA connection agreements in place we can start to build our end.

Richard

below is the picture of the inside without the cover

Hi, Magnacoaster!

Is this a glimpse into Tesla's black box?

Mark

did tesla have rare earth magnets ?

no this is way more power

4 x 24 v x 100 a = 9600 w

when i et the new 12 k cases next week i will post that as well i am waiting on the case to show and all the parts to be built.

Richard