Creating a perfect generator !

Just on top of this, would it be possible to run a generator (in place of the batteries) and a motor (fed from the output) and after starting the motor, the unit will self propel for however long you keep the current supplied to the motor?

no we use the batteries to slow the freq. of the power down not much can use power that runs between 5 and 250 KHz

Hi, Blink!

I think, if this thing works, we are overlooking an important point.

"The laws of thermodynamics are proven over and over each day in many engineering and science activities, and there is no likelihood of them being "overturned", any more than there is a likelihood that the earth will suddenly loose its gravity, or start turning in the opposite direction."

Absolutely. There must be more energy going into this device from another source ("Magnetic vortices"? Blowing gently over a hot cup of tea? Whatever...) that allows it to transform a smaller drop into a larger one by adding something else.

If it works. Right.

If we allow that it does, that means that the device is harnessing another, different, energy source. As I understand it, Magnacoaster is not claiming to create energy from nothing, just from something that has (as yet) no visible 'energy-adding' components as we understand them in order to get something useful happening. He's not sure himself how it happens, just that after playing around with the thing for a few years, he's got it down to a slightly more efficient configuration in terms of output. And he's looking for explanations.

If the thing is genuine, it's up to us to figure out how it works, not keep on slamming the thing as impossible by quoting facts that may not be in direct contradiction at all with what's actually going on.

After we get a really good look at it, and parse out its parts with our own calibrating and research equipment, and consult with whomever has already had a peek at the thing with a solid scientific approach, we can come to some conclusions about whether anything interesting is going on there.

For now, let's just assume that he's not a fraud until we can prove otherwise, and at least grudgingly allow kudos to Magnacoaster for doing what he can with what knowledge he brings to the table.

To put it another way, if the invention turns out to actually work, and does provide some useful applications, let's not be left with our faces hanging out on a point of order.

Magnacoaster, if you really want input here, I think a good idea would be to provide the current research from advisors you have already asked somewhere where we can see it; and also to get some samples into the hands of others who can help you discover why what you are doing works.

Mark

magnatisum is pulled across a wire an electricity is formed

what i have is the switch that can brake the feilds in rare earth magnets and capture the feild energy as it comes back across the wire the secret is in the way i have the coils & Circuit both patent pending in the USA.

pitty Dragons den is not on the TV in the USA they will have to wait til they post them on the website eh ?

Richard (getting production ready) Willis

12 K 3 phase anyone ?

university will be doing testing and we are going to release all the data then as we have not had the no movment unit tested outside our lab.

Hi, Magnacoaster!

You wrote: "we are going to release all the data then as we have not had the no movment unit tested outside our lab."

OK. That will be a good thing. Inside your lab, you have seen the device work; and in so many words, you have tried to tell us what you think drives it. But unfortunately, we didn't "get it" yet; although your descriptions are filled with really interesting ideas. And they leave us kicking around really interesting ideas too. I don't have to tell you that although we didn't get it yet, we would really like to be able to completely understand what's happening to make the thing work the way you describe it.

Can you please let me know when your outside testing will be happening; and could you also let me know who and where you have chosen (or who has accepted) to do the testing when it happens? And do you intend to release the observation data as it is being developed, or wait until it's done?

Personally, I'm glad you are trying for a patent on the new motor's construction. If you are awarded a patent it will once and for all quash the idea that you are trying to make a perpetual motion machine; because patents aren't given for those.

Best of luck in pursuing helpful data collection in a recognized lab setting. It will enhance the possibility of making sales no end.

Mark

Magnatisum?? Brake?? You make no sense. You are illiterate. You are a fraud. Your website and claims are laughable. Go get your head examined. This is ridiculous.

OFF TOPIC? NOT REALLY! ONE COULD ARGUE THAT A GENERATOR THAT CREATES SOMETHING FROM NOTHING IS A LITTLE "OFF" TO BEGIN WITH!!

Well, Blink, you really can spoil a party!

The scam artists are merely exercising a very popular American tradition that has, unfortunately, made America what it is today! That is-- If you give ANYBODY a forum, they'll make up something to fill the space!

As a Penn State Certified Eckspert in interest group politics, I offer you the following caution. There is a principle in mass interest group politics known as the "triggering effect." It postulates-- quite correctly-- that, if you launch a campaign to advocate something, you WILL stimulate supporters to action, AND, by merely raising the issue, your action will stimulate a GREATER RESPONSE from those who OPPOSE your position!

(The proof? McCain has said NOTHING for WEEKS, and Obama has lost ground by opening his mouth and triggering opposition!)

WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE "ENERGY FROM ETHER" GENERATOR? Well, you are undoubtedly correct that it won't work as presented. BUT-- BY PUBLICLY PROVING THE SCAMMER TO BE WRONG, YOU HAVE TRIGGERD HIM INTO AN EVEN GREATER FRENZY! WORSE YET, YOU HAVE PROBABLY TRIGGERED THOUSANDS OF HIS FOLLOWERS INTO ACTION!

Even as I write this, I'm using a second computer to place immediate orders in the commodities market-- I'm going to corner the market on PERMANENT MAGNETS for the next few weeks in anticipation of the shortage that will occur because of your airtight proof that the generator doesn't work!

All of the scammers will be triggered into action! They'll be clearing the kitchen table with a quick backhand move, while the other hand is arranging bits of magic copper and philips head drivers where the plates were! They'll wrestle the stove away from the wall to get at the oven wiring, and get the WD-40 ready for the generator bearings! Those that are more scientific will put a new 9-volt battery into the Radio Shack VOM meter!

But--- before all of this-- they'll get on line and order PERMANENT MAGNETS! Thousands of them! And--- Ha, Ha Ha, Ha!!! I'll be RICH!!

Just to show that I'm not an anti-social capitalist pig, bent on profit for profit's sake--I will now reveal the plan for a car that generates more power than it consumes. It is so simple that I can only conclude that it has been hidden from us for years by GM and the auto-industrial complex (and, probably Halliburton, Dick Cheney, Snively Whiplash, and others).

1. Install generator so that it is driven directly off car axle

2. Wire generator to rechargable battery-- if you are anal, use a charge regulator

3. Set parking brake, and place car at top of long downhill run

4. Release parking brake, and VOILA!

This is GUARANTEED to generate more than it consumes! If battery charges too slowly, merely locate a longer downhill run!

Reminds me of a good story. An Engineer, a Chemist and an Economist are trapped on an island with no food. A crate of canned beans washes up on shore. They debate as to how to open the cans. The Engineer says, "Simple-- Put the can in the fire, it will expand and burst." This is rejected, as they have no way to catch the beans. The Chemist says, "Hey-- drip water from the acid spring on the can, and we can erode the lid!" Rejected since acid will spoil the beans. Finally, the Economist pipes up-- "I'VE GOT IT!! FIRST, WE ASSUME A CAN OPENER----"

(Of course, Blink will point out that this is absurd, since we no longer ship canned goods in wooden crates, and, thus, a cardboard crate would sink (see Bernoulli). Further, unless they were kidnapped, Engineers and Chemists would never hang out with an Economist, and, if they did, they wouldn't ask his opinion!)

This thread reminds me of another product that I have invented. Every American needs it, and, it can be produced in China, thus guaranteeing that it will sell. It is a 15" wide X 3" high placard, with a peel-off self-stick back. You affix it to the bottom edge of your TV, your computer display, your cell phone (choose as appropriate). The text on the card can be ordered in several variations-- "He/She Is Making This Up As He/She Goes Along" --- Or, the more effective-- "He/She Is Lying" -- or the more politically correct (but longer) version-- "He/She Has An Obsessive Disorder Which Has Made Him/Her Prisoner To A Hopeless Agenda, And He/She Is Trying To Suck You In".

If we all have a forum-- and we all should-- we can all discuss the nuts & bolts of things. Sometimes there are more nuts than bolts.

If you discourage the scam artists, you trigger them into action, and you rob Blink and his ilk of their leisure as they spend their time applying rational truth to neutralize the corrosive side effects of free speech. Having rational people is good-- because, with free speech, you get what you pay for!

For those of you who don't get it-- NOW is the time to chuckle!

Thanks. But: now I have chucked every 'le', every article that is left in the house is either female, neuter or indefinite.

Fortunately, there is no one around to watch me laughing at my computer. You are clearly a master of the convoluted pun.

I'm not thinking of Pp motion, but if its a "Perfect" generator, then the losses in the device = ZERO, if its not zero, then its not perfect.

If the device generates more than what is put in, then the losses of the MG setup could be negated, or made very small.

A MG setup is quite lossy, so its just a curiosity for me..

Would it be possible to take the output of this device and feed it into the input of a 2nd device to gain even more out of the coupling?

What would be the effect of inputting this then into a Tesla generator for some really wonderful lightning ;o)

Ken

Why would someone do that? Because the government has repealed the laws of physics.

Overunity electric power generation has been invented in Canada. But it only works in Ontario.

You just need a battery charger, a big set of batteries, an inverter or two, a grid connection, a small 25 watt solar cell and, oh yeah, an agreement from the government run utility to buy any "green" energy you generate with your "solar cell". You can now create "free energy".

Seems that the sun don't shine at night in Ontario. Nor in bureaucratic offices. Anyway, since the sun don't shine at night, green solar producers typically draw more power from the grid. Nothing unusual there.

Then, when morning comes, the sun turns on and, presto, you got volts for sale!

Hmmmmm.

All good so far.

But what if my normal overnight consumption didn't just include lights and heat? What if I charged some batteries?

Hmmmmm. This is starting to sound promising.

Well now morning comes, and sunshine or not, I got volts for sale!

Except, I bought those volts from Hydro One for 5 cents a kwh! And then the fools bought it back from me as "green" energy for 80 cents per kwh! Presto, free energy!

This is a 1600% overunity generation system. And the current laws of physics, I mean Ontario, agree that it is legal. Or was, things change. I've got the plans for sale to prove it - 1600% Overunity Power Generation - only available in Ontario, offer void where prohibited. Hell, let's make the most of it - I got solar cells, batteries, inverters, chargers anti-islanding grid interconnects, etc. - whatever you need to get into the green energy market - gfish23@hotmail.com. In order to qualify for your utility contract, all this stuff has to be made in Ontario - no made in China stuff allowed - so this stuff is expensive. Good thing it pays so well to be green!

Thank God for good government!

Cheers in all your pursuits

Greg

Wow!

Reminds me of our CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) laws. Any alternative energy source is considered 6 times as "good" as any standard energy source for cars. Flex fuel is assumed to be gasoline half the time and e85 half the time so the multiplier is 3 rather than 6. Electric cars, however, are considered 6 times as "efficient" as their actual electrical usage would indicate.

This system works well to enable manufacturers to avoid CAFE fines (for selling too many gas-guzzlers) by making a 15mpg SUV appear to be a 45 mpg vehicle for CAFE purposes. Whether e85 has an overall benefit to society does not figure into the equation.

Here, the rate power company buy-back rate can be about twice what the sell rate. This makes it fairly hard to make the battery charging scheme work (and makes the payback on solar not too easy to justify). But 16:1 could encourage all sorts of schemes that would otherwise be unfeasible. One could make a huge but crude flywheel, and make money, for example -- then you wouldn't have to worry about battery replacement cost (which for an electric car, for instance, is typically far more than the energy cost).

"what do you feel it would take to make a generator with no moving magnets and coils ? one that used no fuel ? and left no after waste?"
If you mean a generator of power:
A suspension of the laws of physics - not simply as currently understood, but at the most fundamental level.

If you mean a generator of hot air: we seem to plenty of those already (especially much of this thread and the scammy links), so it would not change the world.

If it were a real generator of power, and affordable and practical to install in a car (note subjunctive), of course I would buy one. So what?

What would the world do: mostly shrug and get on with life.
Physicists would to try to develop a new rational physics that correctly incorporates this new phenomenon (as well as all other known physical behaviour)

By switching the field lines of the arms in a E-core or something similar, by using a small current to stop the magnetic flux..... umm I think that how this thingy works, or is that another post in another thread?

Could you use the same principle to create a electric motor that uses much less current to drive than current electric motors by just altering the field strength in the magnetic circuit?

Less current - possibly, but at what cost?

Less power: in general - no. The conversion between electrical and mechanical energy in conventional motors and generators can be remarkably high*, and non-mechanical methods of "altering field strength" tend to be lossy.

Plus, a motor without moving parts?? (But part of the original question was a mite confusing)

*The losses are mainly in the conversion from the original energy source (chemical, thermal...). This can be either in the conversion to mechanical energy or the direct conversion to electrical.

I was thinking something similar to the motors inside 3-1/2" floppy drives, but instead of a wound coil creating the field, a coil breaking the magnetic field.

The disc still moves

(attributed to Galileo Galilei)

Hi, Richard!

We know that splitting atoms results in the release of one or more protons and a displacement of millions of micro Volts of energy given off as heat and light as the proton 'valence' is torn.

We know that subatomic particles have an electromagnetic spin vortex. We're getting ready to use its parity to make huge energy information storage possible in a limited space.

We know that on a grander scale, some magnetic lines of force are vortices, and that magnetic bodies and bodies under electromagnetic influences can change shape to accommodate the lines of force around them.

We know that on an even grander scale some of the solar disturbances are characterized by vortices of electromagnetic discharge.

None of these forms of active energy production requires an external input of energy (other than the big bang), except the first if it is artificially induced by bombardment. However, when it is, the amount of energy released is infinitely larger than the amount of energy put into the bombardment that causes the release.

In the case of cold fusion, or whatever they are calling it nowadays, the disturbances on the catalytic bars show a micro fusion scar residual that accounts for where energy has been released that is more than that employed in causing the disturbance.

In the fight or flight response, any suitable stimulus allows the subject to access changes in hormonal response that give it access to greater body strength, except that in doing so, we suspect it uses up huge energy resources. But in most cases no outward change in appearance has been noted. And nobody has noticed to my recollection that the mother who lifted a car off her child had to go and eat up a storm either before or afterwards to make up for the energy output of that exertion.

We know that all forms of energy are variations of electromagnetic force, including light and matter.

In every case these things were discovered by either luck or persistence by people who had no idea of what they were looking at, except that they were presented with a phenomenon for which they were keen to discover a meaning.

If you quit before you start investigating something like this, nothing good will come of it. Somebody with a limited knowledge of the subject may tell you that from what is now known, your potential for arriving at useful conclusions is futile. And they may be correct. But in your case, the potential for arriving at useful conclusions is not only not, at this point, futile; it is timely in a hundred different ways.

Some of us have guessed that you do not, but none of us knows whether or not you have a genuine phenomenon here except you. And if you have something real, you must keep on keeping on until you can discover just what it is.

A good first move is to take the thing to authorities who can try to understand it on your behalf, such as engineers or physicists with good electromagnetic laboratory equipment.

Mark

Hi, Magnacoatster! (Richard)

Have you seen this variety of your ideas in action?

http://www.jrgenius.com/newsletter.html

Mark

so i have found out what the hardest part of all this now is the fact i have no time at all in my life ! production as well as the new building and assembly lines are taking a lot out of me ! thank god for all the help of my team and there talents !

hope all is well

Richard Willis

living on the road and sleeping in the lab but im well fed

Here we go with the old "free-energy scam" again. It's impossible to make energy out of nothing. It defies the laws of thermodynamics. Yep.. even if you did "see" it on YouTube. But let's agree to suspend the laws of physics and common sense for just a moment and suppose that you could..

Whether it worked or not, it couldn't ever be patented for the simple reason that such a device cannot ever be issued a patent by the USPTO. Their rules specifically forbid accepting any applications for these "perpetual motion" type devices.. even if they did work! If you don't believe me.. Go see for yourself.

Since it's clearly not patentable, #1)he's obviously lying when he says that he has a patent pending, and #2)anyone could copy his "invention". Which means that it's not a viable "investment", in any case. It's just another semi-clever scheme to lure gullible investors. But don't worry. It doesn't work anyways, so Brett won't lose his million.

Still, this fraud artist did get everything he came for from the Dragons.. which is lots of Free Publicity!! And once he's collected enough cash from anyone foolish or greedy enough to believe him and buy his worthless products, you can bet your bottom dollar that he'll quickly "disappear" with his ill-gotten gains, as have his many predecessors.

Conspiracy theorists can then jump up on their bandwagons to help cover his escape, gleefully reporting how the government has assassinated or kidnapped him to prevent the public from gaining access to this "revolutionary" technology, or to keep the oil-based world economy from collapsing, as usual. Sheesh!

As for the "inventor", he's probably already set up an alternate identity for himself to enjoy the fruits of his scam in some remote tropical paradise. Once he gets enough money he will of course mysteriously and unexplainably "disappear". That is, after all, the tried and true "exit strategy" practised by all "free-energy" scammers and like "businesses". Fat guys might possibly be just a little "harder to kidnap", but they're just as likely to be as full of crap as anyone else.

Any intelligent person knows that if it sounds too good to be true.. it probably is, and none of these "free magnetic energy" scams has ever been shown to work anyways.. including this one. Maybe if you put a windmill in front of this guy you could harness some free windpower, though.

Hi, Guest!

You wrote, "Here we go with the old "free-energy scam" again. It's impossible to make energy out of nothing. It defies the laws of thermodynamics."

So I went back and had a look at the various postings by Richard. But I couldn't find one where he claimed to make energy out of nothing, only that he didn't know how his invention was doing what it (according to him) does.

Now, suppose that he has somehow found a way to harness something that is already there and strong enough to convert to another form of energy, with normal attendant losses; but the access to that something else requires a small additional loss from startup power. After all, so far as we know magnetos and motors require an external force to keep them producing electricity. Had one witnessed the running of a motor using a fossil fuel without understanding that the sun's energy was being used to create motion through the simple application of explosive force and the innate ability of air to expand when heated, one might have pointed out the impossibility of releasing and converting it for work. Just as there are a lot of linking concepts between the oil field and doing 120 in your new Lamborghini, there may be forces at work in some new discoveries that we are not yet aware of, and even some that may not (exactly) covered by the laws of thermodynamics as we understand them.

Holding an airplane up in the sky, for example, is done invisibly by dividing the air over the wings in two and slowing down one half of it while air is being pushed back behind the plane to keep it moving forward...all completely invisibly due to a bar with a funny shape called an airfoil (and yes, it takes an understandable external supply of energy to do the latter part of the job, but once the airplane is going, the application of work utilizing the density of air is still invisible).

Keeping an open mind and staying optimistic on behalf of new ideas allows us to carry on the noble tradition of scientific progress.

I'm not saying that you are mistaken, necessarily, or even that Richard is not barking up a wrong tree or scams of a similar-looking variety have not been tried before (Tesla? --After all, nobody could see or understand his power source at the time of his invention). That Richard's generator works may or may not be true. But the point is, yourself and other detractors are basing their observations on what they know to be true and coming to a conclusive judgement prematurely and without empirical observations may not be useful in terms of scientific progress.

Naysayers need to be on site, take apart the thing and reassemble it and determine by empirical observation whether it is a fraud or not. I think that's what Richard wanted to do and stated he was planning to do at some nearby university at the time.

Mark

Mark Mark Mark,

you know the deal

extraordinary claims, require extraordinary proof

it's up to OP to provide evidence, real data, not impressions or opinions

what do you feel it would take to make a generator with no moving magnets and coils ? one that used no fuel ? and left no after waste.

reads quite a bit like energy out of nothing, unless we are using some alternate definitions generator & energy....