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How to make a 2nF capacitor

06/22/2008 10:22 PM

how to design and make a 2nF capacitor from paper and aluminium foil

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06/22/2008 10:28 PM

Is this a question? Is this schoolwork? Did you check your textbook? Did you google it?

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Re: How to make a 2nF capacitor

06/23/2008 12:29 AM

Hello anita

Your Duplicate Post has been advised to Admin.

Is this a Class or Homework Question?

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Re: How to make a 2nF capacitor

06/23/2008 3:25 AM

Make 2 strips of foil (dimensions will need adjusting by guesswork), each with an eaxtra bit sticking outfrom one end for a contact.
Make 2 strips of paper (just slightly wider and longer)

Lie them as a sandwich Foil, Paper, Foil, Paper. Roll 'em up tight (or lay them flat with a weight on top)

Job done... measure the Capacitace with a suitable meter...

E-mail me a can of Sardines in appreciation.

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06/23/2008 1:44 PM

GA Del,

I was feeling feisty when I posted, glad you came to the poor student's rescue.

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06/23/2008 9:07 PM

Hello Del the cat

With grateful Compliments

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Re: How to make a 2nF capacitor

06/23/2008 11:03 PM

Get a copy of the Amateur Radio Handbook published by the American Radio Relay League. It costs about $50 and they come out with a new version every year. It contains a plethora of information on electronic components and how to assemble them into working circuits. The book is generally available at most Ham Radio equipment dealers or by ordering from the league directly www.arrl.org

The capacitance of a capacitor is a function of the area of the electrodes which in your case is two pieces of aluminum foil and the dielectric constant (the handbook often contains a table of dielectric constants for many common materials) and thickness of the insulator between the electrodes, in this case a piece of paper. You should be able to closely calculate the size of the electrodes for your for your first attempt. Remember that it is the area of the overlap between the electrodes that counts. You might have some that sticks out on each side to attach your measuring instruments but it won't contribute to the total capacitance of the device.

I would recommend that you obtain a micrometer to measure the thickness of the paper, and a ruler to measure everything with. In addition a meter capable of measuring capacitance would be handy to see how close you came to your desired value. It might also help you judge the values for the size of the electrodes if a second, third, or more attempts are required.

If you do it this way you will have learned something whether or not it is a homework assignment. In addition to learning something there is the more important factor, you may have an excuse to buy some tools! In the case that it is an assignment your school may already have a micrometer and/or an LCR meter.

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06/23/2008 11:14 PM

Hello The_curious_one

from me

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06/23/2008 11:48 PM

If you want the capacitor to remain stable over time, then use "glad wrap" or cling film. It won't be affected by moisture and being thinner can get a higher storage in a smaller volume.

I've scored this as off topic since it's not using "paper"

Sounds like a fun project.

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06/24/2008 3:01 AM

NOt really off topic, as you can still use the paper so you have a construction of

Aluminium(1) - Paper - Aluminium(2) - Paper - Plastic Film

Al(1) and Al(2) are your different poles

The plastic film helps if you soak the paper in some electrolyte to help it stick together and seal the roll.

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06/24/2008 11:05 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the oxide layer on ordinary aluminum foil is sufficient to allow making an electrolytic capacitor, without some form of processing to thicken the oxide on one foil. Won't the electrolyte just short out the two foils?

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06/24/2008 2:21 PM

Correct DK, but I think he is talking about using paper as the dielectric and for some reason he has called 'electrolyte' for something else.

When this question came up last (it is homework!!) I made one about a year ago and I found it much better to use a thin film of oil to hold the separate 'plates' together.... Also I wound mine up onto a cardboard tube to make it stronger.

It worked very well!!

John.

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Re: How to make a 2nF capacitor

06/24/2008 4:15 AM

Hi, anita!

Welcome to CR4! It's really great to have you in here, and I hope you enjoy participating over time in a great many areas where you will see engineers from a huge number of disciplines asking questions to which you can contribute ideas and suggestions. It goes both ways. And that's what makes this forum so unique...all these engineers from a wide variety of disciplines sharing information together across the entire engineering realm.

As to your inquiry, I remember having fun in electronics class building a capacitor using aluminum foil sheets and two pieces of cardboard as the dielectric. It's a bit dusty, but what I thik we did was simply as tightly as possible roll two sheets (not touching) of foil on either side of a piece of shirt cardboard and a second piece of cardboard lying on the top foil sheet, ending the outside sheet of aluminum foil just before the inner one, connecting an insulated terminal to each, and putting the resulting roll in a good-sized tubular plastic medicine bottle with insulated posts from each tinfoil piece sticking out through separate holes in its lid.

Using insulated alligator clips extending from the two posts to 'charge' our home-grown capacitor from a car charger for a brief interval (you have to experiment to see how long it takes), we 'loaded up' the 2 tinfoil sheets (actually just changed the overall charge of each via the charger's influence) and then used the combined charges through an LED to light it up. To get the correct capacitance check the unchanged capacitance on a meter and adjust your in-line resistance accordingly to see if you have created the 2nF capacitance you want.

The result? Shocking! If my memory is too dusty and I've forgotten (as I'm more likely to do than I'll admit...) something important.

Have fun, and keep a fire extinguisher handy!

BTW, we have an "Education" section for inquiries such as this...and I'm sure that somebody in here is going to direct me to it after this foray into my distant past...

Mark

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Re: How to make a 2nF capacitor

06/24/2008 8:22 AM

I had a brainstorm a while back and decided to make a capacitor from some aluminum foil run through the laminating machine. Me and my math teacher buddy took a whole roll of aluminum foil (one half at a time) and ran it through. Then we ran the two laminated pieces through. In theory, it should have worked great, in reality it wasn't nearly as much capacitance as I had anticipated. The best part part was the looks from the rest of the faculty...truly priceless!

Another easy capacitor is a Leyden jar (spelling?) Fill a plastic cup with water, wrap with aluminum foil...presto! A fantastic storage device for shocking your friends. This can also be modified by wrapping the inside with foil.

Enjoy...and be careful!

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Re: How to make a 2nF capacitor

06/24/2008 1:27 PM

You have two conductors (foil) with a layer of dielectric in between (for example, wax paper)

Here are the three parameters you have to work with:

Area of capacitor A, dielectric constant of dielectric Er, thickness of dielectric d

C=Er*e0*A/d

or

A=C*d/(Er*e0)

C is capacitance in picoFarads, (2000 in this case)

e0 is permittivity of free space = 8.854 pF/m

Er is dielectric constant of dielectric (no units)

d is thickness of dielectric in meters

A is area in square meters

Look up dielectric constant, Er, for dielectric. Measure thickness of dielectric, d, with a micrometer. Calculate area you need for 2000 pf.

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06/24/2008 8:04 PM
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Re: How to make a 2nF capacitor

06/24/2008 8:24 PM

Regards !

As I referred to an old link for exact the same question:

Capacitor-Design-2nF

Extract is as:

Just get one polyester/polyestreen capacitor 10nF or near about.

Open it carefully to get the aluminum foil and insulator,

This will give you a good insight of how it is made,

Unroll the aluminum foil and insulator carefully.

Measure its length. Workout how much length for 2nF is. Assemble in reverse to when you opened it.

You may need to try. You will get ultimately

Wish you best of luck

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Re: How to make a 2nF capacitor

06/25/2008 2:02 AM

Hi, anita!

Looks like you got the same professor as 'maydayrocks' had last year. Follow the link in #15 above!

And get hold of some of last years' student notes because this professor seems to repeat assignments.

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