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Adhesive Tape Removed - Without Residual Goo

02/09/2009 4:33 PM

I recently started training by correspondence on Balisong operation, and the instructor advised to tape over the razor edge of the blade with an adhesive tape which when removed, will not leave residual goo on the buffed metal.

This is done to avoid a mishap, whereby as a result of holding the Bite-Handle, I could chop-off my own fingers.

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A. Is there such an adhesive tape which when removed, will not leave residual goo on the blade ?

B. Will such a tape have it's substrate strong enough to protect my fingers, without being sliced itself, to expose the razor edge ?

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02/09/2009 4:48 PM

Everyone need a hobby I guess.

Use packing tape it is better in this application.

To remove the goo, use WD-40 or similar penetrating oil.

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02/09/2009 4:48 PM

Hi Yuval,

Is that sort of like when learning to juggle chainsaws, keep them turned off?

There are tapes out there that will remove cleanly. These are made with "removable pressure sensitive adhesives". To find something at the local store, I'd look at duct tape. Even if the tape leaves residue, you can spend a few minutes with some acetone or toluene to clean it up. Happy flipping.

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02/09/2009 4:52 PM

Wouldn't acetone dull the razor edge by exposing it to oxidation ?

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02/09/2009 5:41 PM

best to practice with a dull knife in any case, you get to keep all the digits that way.

You can always sharpen it later, factory edge is normally not very good in any case, invest in a set of good honing stones.

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02/09/2009 5:55 PM

Good advice. I'll take it into account. Maybe a tape-over isn't very practical after all, as it could also jam the blade near the pivot and latch, and especially since I cannot tape and remove, tape and remove, forever. Too much hassle.

Now since modern FOB mechanised honing (razor-sharpening) is light-years beyond manual honing, in terms of sharpness, regularity, consistency and maintenance, and also since sharpening and dulling the same tool is impractical for the same reason as taping and removing, I mean I need to practice, and I need an operational tool available, so

Here's a thought:

Since practice makes perfect, and according to eastern thought it never really ends, maybe it would be wise to but two identical Balisongs, and dull one of those for practice, keeping the other in perfect condition.

Hey, I'm not a punk.

I only live in a punk country.

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02/09/2009 6:48 PM

that may indeed be the best approach. Back when soldiers always practiced with a practice sword, made of wood for the most part. This keep the tool of the trade sharp and ready when required. Personally I prefer spring assist knives, and with practice even a thumb actuated knife can be brought into action very quickly.

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02/09/2009 7:48 PM

"...prefer spring assist knives..." - Yeah, I think know what you meant - after all, the business-end is the same, and flipping a Balisong open is not as instant as, say, a switch-blade - but I forgot to mention: I'm also bored, and need the flipping as some sort of physiotherapy (if not psychotherapy) - to keep my wrists nimble and flex

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02/09/2009 7:54 PM

Build yourself a hot rod, that will keep you busy, or maybe an off road truck.

I find going to the local beach is great psyco, oops physiotherapy, at least for the neck and eye muscles

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02/09/2009 7:57 PM

Well, you know, each to their own.

For me, it's about keeping my hands busy instead of... Whatever.

You can imagine, can't you ?

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02/09/2009 8:06 PM

Remember,

This is "training by correspondence".

Me, I'd go to the beach.

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02/09/2009 10:25 PM

I don't mind going to the beach, but without my training Balisong, what would I play with ? Rubbing coconut-oil on some poor schmuck ?

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02/09/2009 10:40 PM

Ah but you don't want to find some poor schmuck, you want to find a sweet young thing. One in need of help of course, just doing your part for world peace, by being there to evenly apply the previously mentioned oil in a scientific way, as any good engineer would be almost be required to provide.

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02/10/2009 8:51 AM

Springs may be faster, but nothing can impress one more than a well flipped balisong.

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02/10/2009 10:35 AM

Remember the scene in the first Indiana Jones movie, the big guy with the sword? While not a Balisong, the flipping takes time. The idea is not to impress those who are assaulting you but to disable their attack. I do agree though, a well flipped Balisong is true art. I also agree most who have made suggestions have no clue what a Balisong is, and being the informative type, Google says; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balisong_(knife)

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02/10/2009 10:47 AM

it would be not-well-advertised because they are largely condsidered illegal... but speaking of Indiana Jones, I believe the kid owns one, and practices flipping it, in the new movie, k=Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls.

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02/10/2009 11:12 AM

Yeah, but a balisong can also be used in a similar way to a nunchaku e.g. you can use one of the two handles as a flail, and you can also hold one handle in each hand to block an opposing knife thrust before lauching your own counterthrust or slash. To get back on topic, how about pasting Post-it strips onto the edge? After all, they come off cleanly and leave virtually no residue.

You might also want to get hold of a copy of "The Balisong Manual" and "The Advanced Balisong Manual" by Jeff Imada. It's the bible for all balisong enthusiasts.

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02/10/2009 11:37 AM

refer here. sorry for the typo. its supposed to read Post-It Notes (TM)... I use them on my light saber.... 3M has products to help shine up the rusty old light sabers too... I didn't know you were actually a martial arts instructor.. I thought Darth was more the type to just choke his underlings with the force.. (reach out and touch someone)

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02/10/2009 11:11 PM

Hey, I was a Jedi master once you know. We're all qualified martial art instructors.

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02/10/2009 11:27 PM

Do you do "training by correspondence"?

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02/10/2009 11:41 PM

No, by screaming my head off at my former padawan "Snips" aka Ahsoka Tano.

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02/09/2009 7:47 PM

Instead of ruining the practice knife, why don't you just find an effective way to cover the cutting edges, once. Then, if your field knife gets lost, you have a spare.

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02/09/2009 7:52 PM

Because I think taping the blade could hinder it's smooth action, and cramp my practice

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02/09/2009 6:36 PM

The negligible abrasion from the cleaning cloth would do more damage than acetone. That ketone oxygen is held very tightly.

I liked you potential solution of having a dull and a sharp knife - identical in every other way.

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02/10/2009 4:48 AM

Yuval

Before the razor is blunted by oxydation you will be high by the fumes of the Acetone. Use your hands and take care and/or tell others to do the same. I have handled such implements/tools all of my life and was never cut. To transport them use the cases that are usually provided. Don't be afraid, be very afraid!! That will cut down injuries. If you want to do it your way WD40 is not half bad, Ky.

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02/09/2009 6:01 PM

Why not buy one of these?

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02/09/2009 7:41 PM

You mean, like, instead of the Balisong ?

What is it ?

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02/09/2009 6:10 PM

I would try blue painters tape. One layer of the painters tape and a second with duct tape for strength.

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02/09/2009 11:26 PM

there is a few products you could use to remove the goo.. The first one is WD40 and the second is a product call "Goo Gone" Available at most Hardware and paint stores. Not sure if this helps

Sorry I couldn't help LOL

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Have no worries mate - This thread only pretends to be serious

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02/10/2009 10:08 AM

Yuval: Do you get the feeling many of our repliers do not know what a balisong is?

They mean well though!

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02/10/2009 2:17 PM

Yeah, but then again, it is a technical website, and this is prone to happen from time to time

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02/09/2009 11:49 PM

post-it nodes are made to not leave much residue, as is masking tape. It is dependent on how long the adhesive stays on... if it is months, then an adhesive based product is not going to be the answer.. just a paper or cardboard sleeve will do fine.

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02/10/2009 1:04 AM

Try taping over with venture tape. It is duct tape that is metal backed. Less likely to cut through. Remove the goo with Murphy's oil soap. Cleans tape residue from metal better than any solvent I've ever used.

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02/10/2009 7:15 AM

Try to wrap it with packing paper rolls which do not have any adhesive.

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02/10/2009 10:59 AM

When I worked at 3M Co. years ago, they were, and probably still are, the King of Tape. They had tapes with just about every level of adhesion, from very low (Post-It), to extremely high industrials. In fact, some standards specify 3M tapes. Pressure sensitive tapes (PSA) are most removable the shorter the duration between application and removal. The PSAs tend to leave residue after being in place for months, but this is accererated by temperature (and humidity depending on type). 3M probably still has their 800 tech hotline (or e-mail), and they sure know tape tech, having invented many, including masking tape.

While I can't give you a specific tape, removal techniques may be as important. Peel the tape away slowly, and at a 180-degree angle. If residue remains, use a very aggressive tape (like cheap packaging tape) to remove; press and pull away quickly.

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02/10/2009 11:09 AM

Hey I worked at a tape 3M plant too (and scotchbrite) back in the early 80's in Perth Ontario.

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02/10/2009 11:09 AM

I would try electrical tape. In rugby, many "locks" use that to bind their ears back because while plenty sticky, it doesnt tend to leave a residue on skin/hair. It also has a decent level of thick padding. It's fully opaque (that I know of), but it does now come in alternative colors (instead of just black).

If that's not helpful, try the adhesives.org website. They have a "TechSelect" tool that is supposed to help you find the right adhesive when designing something... not sure if they have Balisong as a specification, but maybe you can fudge it a little :)

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02/10/2009 11:32 AM

Hi Yuval,

3M Cloth Adhesive Tape may be much better - stronger, easy-to-tear, latex- free & hypoallergenic for your application. We use this type of tapes for securing medical devises.For further info,please visit www.3m.com

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02/10/2009 1:56 PM

balisong corrspondence courses.

How about mail order literacy courses? "write for free help!

Googone was mentioned above, I can vouch for it.

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02/10/2009 2:23 PM

Believe it or not, I have many applications to require for goo-less adhesive tapes, so joking aside, I have learnt a lot, way beyond the Balisong gag.

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02/12/2009 12:17 AM

Try cloth tape, usually referred to as camera tape available at a larger photo supply or motion picture expendable store. It's strong and easy to work with and probably won't leave any residue. If it does, the best way to remove residue is to press the sticky side of a fresh piece of tape to the residue, it lifts right off-no fumes.

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I happen to know it. I used that tape on some occasions

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02/10/2009 2:31 PM

Just watch what this guy does. Looks easy, doesn't it?

Does your balisong look anything like this?

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02/10/2009 2:36 PM

No, it is the Nunchaku-looking type, with the straight handles

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Take your choice!

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02/13/2009 6:39 AM

Hi Yuval,

There are Balisong knives available that are blunt edged, intended for display only (okay, imitation knives then). They work just like the real things. Still dangerous as stabbing implements though.

For non-goo tapes, I use something we call Magic Tape. I don't know if you have anything equivalent. If you don't keep it on too long (two days from experience), it strips off clean. Problem is, it's quite thin so I don't know if the blade will cut through it when it runs against something (like your finger).

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02/13/2009 9:40 AM

Hi Vulcan,

As mentioned above, I think I'll resort to buying two identical good knives and dull one of them. For me it's the best on all counts:

1. I have tried a few styles and chose the completely symmetrical type;

2. I'll choose identical knives with a different colour, to avoid a mishap;

3. Identical knives will model exactly the sharp knife while in practice in terms of weight, action and feel;

4. Practice never really ends, so it's worth the double investment;

5. A pretty good knife should cost under 100 $ these days, and choosing a good specimen is an investment for life

Here are some "strange" butterfly applets I found on the web, just for the fun of it:

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