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Earthquake Question

07/20/2009 5:12 AM

I live on top of a mountain in the north of Israel.

The most-recent notable earthquake (there are many weak ones all-year-round) was in 2005 or 2006, rated 6.2 Richter, with it's epicenter around Tyre in Lebanon.

On top of my mountain, the movement was almost completely horizontal and very slow, about 8 seconds per cycle, some 4 seconds per directional movement.

In the lowlands it was reported as much faster (about 1.5 seconds per cycle) with a noticeable shaking component.

Is that difference due to the mountain acting as a tower according to it's natural frequency ?

Wasn't the shockwave spreading from the epicenter, relatively uniform in dimensions and timing ?

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Re: Earthquake question

07/20/2009 6:55 AM

I don't have any answers but this is an interesting question. Are you just "in the know" on technical details, or are there web sites that make the magnitude and frequency in X,Y,Z directions at different locations available to the general public?

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07/20/2009 11:13 AM

I described the event as to my recollection. There are however, dedicated web-sites, which log every such event on earth according to collected local databases, and their records go way back to the start of the last century, so the event I described must appear there - I'll look for the official reference - I only managed to have this yet.

I also know there are underground bouncing waves, kind of echo to the primary shockwave - these cause the aftershock if I understand it correctly, but I'm not knowledgeable in this - just a curious party.

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Re: Earthquake question

07/21/2009 12:27 AM

shalom Yuval

I think that better you ask ex-israeli professor emeritus from Stanford university Amos Nur who is one of the world's leading experts in geophysics,specialising in earhquakes.

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07/20/2009 9:34 AM

From your description, you experienced the release of energy within a strike-slip (lateral) fault that "released" a Love Wave....

Relative to the epicentre (the location on the surface that experienced the recorded reading of 6.2), the plane of slip which caused the eartquake may not be uniform on the blocks of continent either side of the plane of slip....that is, one side may move faster with respect to the other. This gives rise to the terms, (left-lateral or right-lateral) where in this scenario I draw, the left-lateral block moved further relative to the right-lateral block causing stronger earthquake to be felt on the left-slip block.

Also, underlying geology may also dictate the "strength" of an earthquake experienced at the surface, with variations in intensity commonly different in assorted locations around an epicentre of same distance....variables such as underlying rock density (metals vs silicates), scale of the underlying rock type (same "rocks" for kilometers vs only a few hundred meters), geomorphology of the underlying rocks (granite vs sand) and many more variables all influence the distribution of earthquake waves experienced on the surface. So even though you may be at the same distance as Joe Bloggs down the road from the epicentre of an earthquake...you both will rarely experience the same magnitude.

I have outlined very briefly that eartquakes experienced on the surface are not of relatively uniform dimension on a micro scale, but are so on a macro scale, the macro scale being used to typify earthqaukes for simplicity in newspapers. I have underlined words you can search the meaning of to get a better understanding of the complexity of earthquakes relevant only to your question. I have kept it painfully simple and tried not to confuse

With respect to a hypothesis solving your situation without knowing the mechanics or geography, the analogy of a seismic Love Wave is akin to that of shaking a rope from left to right while it rests on the ground...your hand is the fault location and the mountain you are on (some distance from the rope) would have experienced some movement but would not be as intense as that on the "flatter" ground nearby below at Tyre. Why? Love Waves move laterally relative to the surface...most energy would be dispersed if the lateral wave were to equilibrate opposite to its path of direction into the mountain, moving perpendicular to its origin of direction as a Rayleigh Wave.

Sort of a mixed bag of explanations...some simple and some verbose...but should get you started...cheers

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07/21/2009 3:53 AM

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Well done CO. GA from me. Although very complex this should give a good idea were to go if concerned with these matters. The mentioning of the micro and macro scales was quiet refreshing, because it fits other physical and human extremes of behavior as well.

It should be an IA (Inspiring Answer) instead of a GA (Good Answer) but what the heck, your a Queenslander, you deserve it any way.

Greetings, Ky.

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07/20/2009 12:13 PM

Hi Yuval my part of the rock is rather stable except for the sinkholes.

Therefore rather clueless but extremely inquisitive.

Is it not possible that you were close to the epicentre of another minor simultaneous event with another signature?

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07/20/2009 1:11 PM

Not any such recorded event that I know of.

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1. There are a lot of deep sinkholes in the vicinity of the Dead-Sea in the South-East.

2. Keep in mind that the whole of Israel is about the size of Lesotho. Heck, the whole north of Israel is about the size of Johannesburg, if you include Alexandra and Soweto - I should know, I lived there (in Yeoville) for a few years.

3. The whole of Africa is very stable because it is in the middle of a plate - Israel is squeezed between the Euro and Asian plates, I think they're called "The African" and The Australian" plates, respectively, but I'm not sure

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07/20/2009 10:25 PM

What about the concept that mass absorbs shock waves? The mountain's mass could have absorbed and slowed down those propagating shock waves, compared with the unbuffered impact on the lowlands.

The seismic event would have been propagating horizontally on the level below the lowlands. Vertical distance is another factor that might account for why the shock would be less high on the mountain. (Of course, if the mountain is at all unstable, or the shock is strong enough to destabilize and cause landslides, it could be a worse place to be in an earthquake).

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07/21/2009 12:46 AM

Yuval,

The eastern Mediterranean is the meeting place of three major tectonic plates, Arabia, Nubia, and Eurasia and two sub-plates Anatolia and Sinai. Although global-wise it is a relatively small region (2% of the Earth's surface), it is tectonically very interesting as containing a variety of tectonic environments. The Red Sea, which separates between Nubia and Arabia, represents a unique environment of mature continental rift or embryonic ocean. Continental collision between Arabia and Eurasia occurs in the Caucuses, which are located between the Black and the Caspian Seas. Oceanic collision occurs along the Hellenic and Cyprian Arcs, as the Nubian plate subducts beneath Anatolia. Transcurrent movements occur along the Dead Sea Fault, the North Anatolian Fault and the East Anatolian Fault, as the smaller plates accommodates some of the oblique motion between the three major plates.
The Dead Sea Fault is a transform plate boundary separating the Arabian plate from the Sinai sub-plate. It transforms the Arabia-Africa divergent motion in the Red Sea into the convergence motion between Eurasia and Arabia, currently expressed by extrusion of Anatolia. However, not all the African-Arabian divergent motion is transferred northward to the convergence zones. Some of the divergent motion in the Red Sea propagates into the Gulf of Suez, which forms the southwestern boundary between Africa and Sinai. North of the Gulf, the Africa-Sinai boundary is diffuse and hard to allocate. Additional divergent motion is taken up by secondary faults branching off the main trace of the Dead Sea Fault north of the Dead Sea. The activity along the Dead Sea Fault has been continuous since the Miocene to the present. The total displacement across the southern section of the Dead Sea Fault (south of 32°N) was estimated as 105 km, whereas across the northern section the estimated displacement is significantly less.

The Dead Sea Fault is subjected to a moderate level of seismicity. The highest recorded seismic activity was in the Gulf of Elat (Aqaba), the location of the 1995 Nuweiba earthquake. Another area of concentrated activity is the area of the Dead Sea, where the M=6.5, 1927 Jericho earthquake occurred. Seismic activity along the Arava Valley, which is located between the Gulf of Elat (Aqaba) and the Dead Sea, is very limited. North of the Dead Sea, seismic activity is distributed over a wide area, reflecting diffuse deformation in northern Israel and Lebanon.
There is a fault branching from the Dead Sea Fault that goes under Mount Carmel to the Mediterranean.

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07/21/2009 3:40 AM

Dear Yuval,

velocity is recorded in seismometers but why is there no spectral analysis?

In any continuous or discontinuous sliding or rupturing event (earth, rock, building, machine) there is an easy frequency generation by multiple sliding and stopping events.

These can be generated by friction and slip or by rupture and elastic deformation.

So if the mountain top - as you experienced - moved slow and continuous and the friction to the soil layer in the valley had a stop and go action (stick-slip) by pure friction: this will explain the experienced quake.

Same if the layer in the valley is cracking: stress is building up by motion of one plate with respect to another until cracks start, some very small and of low incidence (frequency) some of higher frequency.

There are geologic structures where the frequency of events is very slow (thousands of years) as the slow motion (3mm/year is typical) needs considerable time to deform the structures (meters) until rupture starts.

On the other hand there are the movements in an earthquake that are much faster but still can be blocked by stress and friction and crack initiation - for milliseconds to seconds until the cracking restarts again.

But any such reasoning is speculation if the spectrum is unknown.

Try to rub some Styrofoam on a glass, this will squeal. Try to move a chair or a table by pushing, if the legs are elastic it will chatter. Try to turn a workpiece on a lathe with a flexible tool it will chatter. These are examples of nonlinear oscillators that are driven by (more or less) constant velocity.

The frequency is given by the type of movement and the type of motion-blocking.

Further complication is added by the above described different wave types and wave conversion from one type into another at any elastic discontinuity.

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07/21/2009 4:24 PM

Thanks RHABE, this is about what I was curious to learn.

So, shockwave travels through elastic medium might change frequency and waveform according to what, relative density of the medium ?

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07/22/2009 3:13 AM

Dear Yuval,

if the material stays elastic there will not be any new frequencies generated.

Any slight nonlinearity (quadratic, cubic, hysteresis) will generate harmonics.

Any big nonlinearity (cracks, stick-slip) will generate any spectrum of new frequencies, depending on cracking/time behaviour or type of slip.

Depending on the crack opening velocity and the points where the crack gets to a rest for some short time a complex frequency spectrum with repeated structure will be excited. The highest ones quickly damped totally.

Any step in density or elasticity of a purely elastic material will a.) reflect some part of an incident wave and b.) transfer some of the waves energy into the other possible forms of elastic waves.

a.) includes "optical" effects as focusing at curved interfaces (an optical positive lens is negative for sound-waves!)

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07/21/2009 9:28 AM

An amazing array of intelligent answers to your question. Here is my attempt. At the epicenter there is a huge and rapid release of stored up elastic energy. This represents a shock wave that propogates in all directions. When this shock wave interacts with a structure, it excites the structure at the resonant frequency of the structure. If the structure is a small house in a valley, its frequency might be 1.0 cycle/sec. If the structure is a tall skyscraper, its frquency micht be 0.1 cycle/sec. A mountain might have a frequency somewhere between these two structures. Of course, a scientific answer would include terms such as Q, damping, etc., but I think that the resonant frequency of your mountain determines its response to a shock wave.

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