Snow and More Snow

Getting the same snow amounts, if not more, here in NE Pennsylvania. It's pretty rural here, so the white stuff is just plowed and pushed aside.

In NYC and likely in other Yankee cities, snow melters are used because there's no place to dump the plowed snow.

From Wiki:

A snow melting vehicle works by scooping snow into a melting pit located in a large tank at the rear of the vehicle. Around the melting pit is a smaller tank full of boiling water, heated by a powerful burner. The gases from the burner are bubbled through the water, causing some of the water to spill over into the melting pit, melting the snow instantly. The meltwater is discharged into the storm drains.^[52]

Thanks Sue

Snow Melters never seen one think they will lease some out. LOL

Politicians are already slinging mud in how the ruling party is doing with the past storm can't wait to hear the smear after this one. I think there is already more asphalt covered with piles of snow then bare to drive on. That was before it started to snow this morning. As far as the rural parts of the state they haven't got to them yet. One of the guys I work with said the neighbors with snow blowers got together to clear his street.

Hi Sue,

Why they don't dump snow in a river or a lac whatever is available? Burning and heating cost money and pollute air. You can cover your garden, if you have one and build a mountain, 6 to 12 feet high and let your children play on, again if you have. If you don't have both or all three, just admire how other people solve their snowy problems. Life is a school, isn't it? And, you can write down in your secret book containing all your adventures and kept for the prosperity. Accept these words with a smile from the snowy Canada, but we have no problem with snow because we know it's only water, Gil.

EPA standards state that dumping snow into a river will contaminate the river due to: -salt

-sand

-engine oil

-antifreeze

-...

So where does that stuff go when it is melted with equipment or naturally, or god forbid it rains. I think it all ends up in the rivers anyway.

Nobody ever said the EPA had any common sense.

A lot of your major cities have tied in systems sewers/Storm water going together to a treatment system.

One problem with that is the average temp for this time of year is around 40 deg F. Don't think its hit 40 deg F but maybe once since the middle of November. Been a colder then average winter here. The real problem I see with your recommendation is how do I keep it on top went the summer time temp will reach over 90 deg F. Lot of wasted money for something that going to slide down hit real fast.

Hi ozzb - ya good on enough bread & milk...or beer

I see it as having to live with the stuff, and not to see how to get rid of it, exactly...

I remember here in NC/US 1960 - we had snow every other day in the Mtns. for 4 weeks - the highest totals ever recorded and lower elevations got slammed too - at first the plows could handle it, then later you had to rely on motor graders & such. At this point drifting had threatened a lot of homes....then eventually they had to use only big dozers like the old D50's to move up the roads far into the hills to help the people, as there was no other way...and you can bet they ruined many of the track bearing & the tracks on those things...just flat wore them out..I even remember the airborne food drops to areas...

So, I think we just have to live with it & make-do. We really don't have the right kind of construction for housing, as they do in more arctic regions, but look at what they do - the house may be covered-up with snow, but the walkway out of the house is always shoveled-out...they live with it..

But they also have the "toys" to do so, and can get anywhere if needed by the right means...

We missed this last batch of weather....hope you make the best of it & be safe!

Had to throw out all the milk to make room for the beer. Got nuts and pretzel instead of bread.

So what you are implying is I go into real estate. Build some igloos and put for sale signs on them.

Naw, I'd just rent them out - after all ya got free material & no overhead...

Think of the novelty!

Hello Ozzb,

In the North, I talking about Canada, in the North North, we have aborigen people, they have igloos and it's extremely confortable and stable in temperature too. Try one and let know to your family, friends, and other around you that your opinion is changed about the word "igloo". About the milk, watch it and handle it safely and with precaution because it's the same colour than snow and one your youngs need every morning. The beer, you can cool down by covering with snow for at least 45 minutes during daytime and 30 to 35 minutes the night and please, respect the time! Again, smile largely for the words from the snowy Northern guy who try to encourage a person who is lost with a few inches of white powder that we call just cristallized water, eventually frozen water, Gil.

Shoveled enough not going to shovel to go get a cold one. They will stay in the frig. No young ones at home to worry about so milks gone.

Hi Ozzb,

I understand about the milk. I don't drink milk for over 65 years. Each time I remember the adult TIGER returning to its mother for a suck. I still laughing! The mother never liked that action. However, the problem with the remaining beer with HIGH "Glycemic Index" and your body, the pancreas, works hard and cannot take care about the exterior temperature attacking you. Let the beer for someone else, and get out for a session of showelling the white snow around your house or apartment or condo. Your age, you don't need any milk and any beer to enjoy life, come on!? Let me or you can tell to others too, what will be the result, Gil.

I like it to wash down the nuts and pretzels the combination of flavors go well together.

So, does anybody understand why we can't dump this snow in the rivers, but we can pile it up where it will eventually melt and run into the rivers? I mean the serious reason.

First guess would be $$$, logistics and extra time & resources

But, we used to do that here in Pittsburgh. The Public Works Director was just on TV saying that environmental regs prohibit that now. But, I don't understand why. (One of some 134,512 things that I currently don't understand, and the list grows daily )

Maybe PETA complained that it was unfair to the giant turtle holding up the planet...or something equally irrational.

Dear Sue,

PETA is "polyethylenetetramine". Toxic and don't pour on the snow or with snow somewhere else. You will increase pollution.

Forget the PETA and enjoy the white snow, which has a constant temperature, you can make by your hands some bullets and trow to your best friend to create a friendly and snowy war. Let me know the result of the event, Gil.

Hi Gil,

Sorry, I was referring to People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), a group that on the surface appears to defend the rights of animals but seems to exist merely to make a nuisance of itself. In my opinion.

Hello Sue,

It's easier to accuse or make someone else responsible for something that being by itself. All groups that take care about something or someone else are people don't have nothing to do and most of the time their children suffered of lack of care and this "animal care" action becomes a replacement. Let the animals free in the nature. They can survive alone!

I prefer talking about my "PETA", which is a chemical I can use in many occasion to create something new, and being responsible personally for the new chemicals.

What's the result of the snowball war with your close ones? It's in preparation for the weekend? This is fantastic and much better than the story with animals. Wish you a nice weekend and why not a snowy one, Gil.

" the giant turtle holding up the planet"

I've always wondered what that was under there. Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!

You mean they never told you?!

Nay! Not once.

So then global warming is just a bad case of flatulence?

Sure, take the easy way out and blame it on the pachyderms.

Probably because you couldn't be sure every bit of the snow wasn't contaminated with oil or something. We all know that used engine oil is toxic and if we dump it into the river (I'm wondering how much gets into waterways by "normal" leakage of marine engines), it will get into the fish and cause cancer and horrible, grotesque mutations. Then we will all die.

Umm... around here, and with every town and city, when the snow melts off the streets it goes down the storm drains that dump directly into the local rivers any way. The same is true with the rain as well. Whats on the roads, parking lots, sidewalks, building rooftops and every place else in an urban environment eventually works its way down to a storm drain or drainage ditch some place that eventually ends up in the

What doesn't get to one of these is leached into the ground and eventually gets into the water tables and aquifers that we pull most of our drinking water from that didn't come from one of the nearest ,streams, rivers, ponds, lakes or ocean.

Yes, you are right! However, I didn't say it made sense.

I guess my sarcasm wasn't obvious enough?

You guys are missing the logical Politicians answer. What you see we make illegal and tell you it is wrong. What you don't see we can do and you can't care! If we dump snow into the river in broad daylight you can see that and we might be polluting our precious waterways. If we melt it in the back of a truck then dump it down the storm sewer system, or pile it up next to the storm sewers, you don't see where it goes and so there is not pollution happening! You may see those pipe ends that stick out into the river, but they actually come from freshwater springs that are then quadruple filtered at the taxpayer's expense before they are allowed to enter the waterways.

Here in Wisconsin we mostly ignore it and forget that we have a yard for most of the Christmas to May Day time frame. We get lots of exercise moving it around and we spend thousands of dollars per year per household on equipment, fuel and shovels to move it with. I literally have hundreds of tons of snow to move every year! I have a 4-wd truck ($4000 option) with a snow plow ($4500 option), a snow blower ($1500), and numerous shovels ($50) to get me through until spring. I spend a couple tanks of diesel fuel ($80 to 120 per) and several tanks of gas ($4 per) to keep the equipment running, and I usually end up at the chiropractors ($80/visit) a couple times a year to boot! Truck has broken down to the tune of $1000 plus each of the last two years. The winter before I tore the transmission out of the old truck (DOA - couldn't afford to fix it vs. the truck's value), which I bought the year before when the older truck's transmission went out plowing snow!

If you don't like the snow now - just wait until you do get the seasonal weather you are asking for. You will find out in short order what a mid-western spring is like! You have probably not heard the word flood, yet, but remember it - you will hear it often come spring! That is when it gets really expensive...

Speaking of which, have you tried the Rust Belt Brewing ale and stout? Made with good ole Youngstown tap water. Supposed to be unfiltered.

Actually no. I've only been here a little over a year - I've never noticed it in the microbrew (is it?) section.

I know we aren't getting as much snow here as other places - Pa, Md, etc., but I'm wondering why the hell I ever moved here! After 11 years in Wilmington, NC, it's climate shock.

Hi Mikerho,

Forget the actual snow weather and remember when you enjoyed the green grass to play golf. I just passed your town to get to Mirtle Beach. 15 years ago, I played free gulf during Christmas and New Year holidays. Some icy waterspots early the morning but later was fantastic.

Buy some red or black golf balls and start to play. It's phony or follish but you have to try. Let go out Ozzb and do something unusual for Gil.

Hi Mikerho,

Everything is coming soon or late but we will all pass away. Global warming or not our life is limited and we cannot stretch it. So, why we don't care about what is available for us? Tell me!

We talk about fishes, animals, and human biengs but we do practically nothing because is convenient to do what is already accepted, isn't it? All the best from Gil.

Okay, pay the fine and do it anyway...

If it were up to me, I would. Unfortunately, they refuse to acknowledge that I am lord of the manor hereaouts and keep carting me off to Western Psych when I try to tell them better.

Baltimore is a harbor town not to much time or logistics to push it in.

If there is a serious reason why your snow isn't being dumped in the rivers as is, it would be that, under the prevailing conditions, the snow could join with ice and other stuff and run the risk of creating an ice jam/ flooding situation.

In St. John's, the snow is dumped in the harbour - if they get around to carting it away. There's nearly always some level of public outcry about the snow and "there's nowhere to put it!) in the old city where... there really is nowhere to put it.

In cities like Montreal, where they have impressive snowclearing services, it is carted off to a snow dump site to melt when spring comes.

I had never heard of the snow melters! GREAT IDEA!!!!

In a bad winter, we get these towering snowbanks on the side of the road. You can't see out around them to make your turn, so driving has a visibility hazard after too much snow.

Best advice for uncleared roads: wait it out in the comfort of your home. Call in sick if necessary. Enjoy the beer and pretzels. And when the snowbanks in your driveway get too high to be added to by vigorous shovelling, take the slow, sculptural approach and make yourself some gargoyles.

Gargoyle last week:

Gargoyle 5 minutes ago (and I had to dig it out. Artsmith made me do it):

Here they say to many chemical to melt the ice contaminate the bay and harbor waters. And like you said when it melts is going to end up there anyway. The year the decided to do the study they picked a year with minimal rain fall. Said there was high levels of salt contamination. So what happens to a body of water connected to an ocean if you don't have sufficient rain fall?

Hi Ozzb,

These people at the town don't get the information about the quantity salt was used on the roads? Illiteracy must be punished!

So, my suggestion to put or push the snow in the rivers or close lacs was excellent. The non-pollutant solution si to let where is, I talking about the snow, and wait for the temperature rise and melt this whitish powder coming from heaven, and let goes by itself to rivers and lacs later on.

I tell you these solutions without asking for any compesations in nature or money, do you get it? Smoothly from Gil?

To much of a drop in temperature all at one time instead of a gradual increase.

I'm just going by WDLF, PAFB, and PADEP. If it was salt and sand then they would be a loud any where, because of fear of pickling the little critters.

The real reason is salt and sand application. Can't do it as a point discharge without permits.

Dumping into a River would not be a point source. Your sewer and storm water lines are point sources.

Hi Mag,

Now, we talk about salt and sand or we have difficulties to accept "Mother Nature"'s offerings. Please, don't change subject, we did not yet have the solution for the first item. What you suggest for the disposal of the "Frozen Water"? Thanks in advance for the response, Gil.

Fish kills because there is such high concentrations of chemicals to melt ice in it. If its dumped in the water its like shocking your pool. If its left to melt on its own and run thru the storm drains the body of water only gets a little at a time. Still gets the chemicals just has longer time to disperse.

Aww Heck - just turn it up a notch & put one of these in your garage...

Or on your siding

Interesting machine!

Thanks, Sue!

I had worked for Leslie Controls who's founding father John Leslie, in the 1890's in New Jersey, held the patent for the first train snow blowers. He needed steam valves that weren't readily available so he founded a steam valve company to produce the valves. Eventually the snow blower business rights were sold and they continued with valves. They manufactured many of the valves used to build the steam heat supply infrastructure of New York City. They are the sole suppliers of the huge valves used for steam powered aircraft carrier catapults.

Try 133 inches a year. There are many ways to get rid of it.

1. Use a snow thrower (not a snow blower) and stack it 18 feet high

2. Melt it, bottle it and sell it as distilled water

3. Do not bottle the yellow snow, nor drink yellow snow.

4. Advertise on Craigslist, and sell it to people in Florida, New Mexico, Houston, and SanDiego, or wherever you get the best price. Be sure to add "Sold as is!!"

5.Freeze it and save it for next summer.

6. Build a row of snow houses and rent them to college students.

Got more idears???

Hi Guest,

1. You build up an igloo and your children will be happy to play on and in.

2. This is an illegal proposal. You cannot mislead people of dirty water with distilled of the same chemical.

3. Hi, this is nor China!

4. It will be hard to maintain the temperature under 4*C or lower and send to San Diago or you have something you hold back for some reason?

5. Again, too expensive. Wait for another suggestion.

6. They will have dripping "transparent water" on their magazines, and I am not talking about school books. You catch me?

This is what I said in an earlier comments. More ideas drives to more confusions. It's important to pinpoint the problem, think about it, get this lonely and unique idea, try it in small areas, and finally suggest to the town for eliminate the excess of snow sent by your enemies to test you or friends as a joke, and no one else, Gil.

This thread is a real eye opener to me.

Our record minimum here is 7C (45F) and people talked about it for over 50 years until they got a new minimum about the same .

If it goes below 15C (59F) we complain as to how cold it was last night and I start to think of moving closer to the equator!

(Our day time temps, in mid winter are never below 20C (68F) and usually over 25 (77F). Summer gets to about 33 (91F)).

How on earth do you survive?

By the way, I thought you would like to know your record cold is supposed to be due to global warming and that Al Gore tells us the earth will continue to get hotter. As it is getting hotter, you need to get used to the record cold. If this makes sense can someone please explain it?

"... If this makes sense can someone please explain it?" The sad answer is, all of our climate patterns worldwide are driven by large interconnected systems. When these are disrupted - by the melting of the Arctic, for example - all bets about climate are off. Bigger storms, unexpected weather, is exactly what is predicted.

When they first suggested "global warming" those of us in the frozen North Atlantic were inclined to give a great cheer! But that's not how "climate change" works.

I'm not too familiar with the climate systems that drive the weather in Oz. Up here, it's the jet stream (position highly variable) and ocean currents that make all the difference: the Gulf Stream for example has profound effects on climate in the NE Atlantic. PEI is balmy compared to Newfoundland for that reason. We also have the labrador current bringing icebergs down in the spring and making it cold. (the breeze off icebergs - yes, it is very noticeable indeed.)

One of the possible impacts of climate change is that changes in the ocean will displace these currents. There is no way of knowing whether we will end up a more miserable ice cube here or "new florida north". And the same goes for everywhere, afaik.

All this climate change talk is so subjective, it's crazy. And the models that predict global change aren't worth the cost of the cpu cycles it takes to run them.

Just last night I watched part of a program that says El Nino/La Nina so influences the earth that weather patterns change drastically depending on which one shows up in a given year.

Yet another program suggested that the "sudden" uplift of the Himalayan plateau triggered the last ice age and that the mountain range is still growing and modifying our worldwide weather systems. Oh, and that uplift supposedly absorbs CO2 which triggered the cooling.

NO ONE, IMO, can predict weather systems with any consistency. We just don't understand enough about the gazillion variables involved and no way to predict them programatically.

Hooker

I agree that climate science is far from delivering exact predictions.

However, the general prediction of extreme weather events (extreme being also relative depending on the usual climate of the place) has been sufficiently well documented for politicians globally to sit down and consider countermeasures.

I can't point you to the stats on this, it's not my concern and I don't have time to go search for you. But if you can find the stats that show contrary, I'd be interested in seeing them. Afaik, extreme weather has been the rule since the '90's, way up statistically and enough to freak out the insurance companies.

Isn't that what prompted this thread in the first place?

Ok, here's the million dollar question -

Do you subscribe to the theory that global temperatures have been rising because global CO2 levels have been rising?

Or

Do you subscribe to the counter theory that global CO2 levels have been rising because global temperatures have been rising?

Hooker

I hope it's worth the million LOL. You'll have to put me down as a non-subscriber to either of these theories. Maybe both are true.

I don't worry much about CO2. I do worry about UV intensity attributed to the rotting of the stratospheric ozone, because at the latitudes where I live it can be scorching. It sucks not to enjoy the feeling of sun on your skin.

In the 90's for the first time, I've seen the forest floor splitting apart with drought and the water level in the ponds way down. We usually get storms in winter at 130 k winds, but when these winds happened at temps above zero, mature forests blew right out of the ground. I've seen seedlings utterly stunted by a spring with really high UV, and I've been scorched and frozen at the same time because of the wind blowing off a load of icebergs from the melting up north. Where I live, we are famous for having four seasons in one day, anyhow. A very unpredictable climate from year to year as well. If climate change may be making for more and/or different extremes, well naturally, we find it interesting... However I have no theory to uphold, nor any interest whatsoever in engaging in arguments about it.

Speaking of snow, have you ever shovelled slush. We just got a heap of snow overnight, followed by rain, now freezing drizzle and fog. Damn stuff sticks to the shovel and it's heavy as lead. A mess! But very typical of here, (NOT climate change) though usually in March not February. I am not complaining, I will be happy to see any of the white stuff washed away.

Hi Artsmith,

How come the "Insurance" companies know all these stats and what to do to increase their customers fees?

They work with "who", "how", and "when"?

The "why" I understand. Wait for your answer, Gil.

Right, Gil. I guess the statistics on extreme weather events must be well known in the insurance industry, all their rates are based on stats. If the stats change, the rates do as well.

Don't let Del hear you call it the Gulf Stream. The correct term is "North Atlantic Drift". He gets very picky.

We rain-loving inhabitants of the British Isles praise and bless the NAD as it means we stay far warmer than most other places on this latatitude. By rights, at least Scotland should have tundra. As it is, our southern parts can spend whole winters without snow...

A loss of the NAD from our shores, would mean most of the country being snow bound for much of the winter. On the plus side, we'd do better at the Winter Olympics

aha! I didn't know you had your own name for it, but here's a dirty little secret about the NAD. My father is over 90, so has seen many winters. He mentioned to me that he'd noticed, that when you get bad weather in Britain, we get it nice over here. I've been keeping an eye on that for a few years, and you know, he's right.

So, sorry to hear about your bad winter, but... it's been ever so mild! We rain-loving inhabitants of the NorthEastern Atlantic do enjoy the scattered respite from the usual months on end of snow. Too bad we can't all have it good....

Hi Sceptic,

Listen to Al Gore and other smart people. They never pointed out 2 square kilometre. They base their observations as an average. Collect the temperature let say on the equator and let me know what's the difference with 10, 20 or 100 years ago at the same places. Statistics are precise tools to get to the data and the trouth. You are not listenning. I will not repeat what I alredy said. "Just do it!" - said Nike. Follow their recommendations, Gil.

GA Roger

I'm not anti-science though I am comfortable with theory.

One theory I hold is insufficient evidence exists to conclude this warming period is anything other than a cyclic function. We have evidence of other warming periods were these events with greater ramification than now also man induced? Silly, of course not no more than now.

Uh-oh the Sun has cooled and wonder of wonders the globe too followed suit.

Now right now in this current event of global warming it is the ocean warming...but is it the ocean warming the air; logical or, what is the required of air to warm water compared to water warming air?

Oh and the ocean moderates the amount of atmospheric CO2 hm...it must be the oceans fault or the Sun's fault or the earth's core and we don't have any evidence of mankind kind having any influence on them period.

You Wrote:"One theory I hold is insufficient evidence exists to conclude this warming period is anything other than a cyclic function. We have evidence of other warming periods were these events with greater ramification than now also man induced? Silly, of course not no more than now."

So despite the fact that the American Physical Society, the American Chemical Society, the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the American Meteorological Society, and NASA all say the recent climate change is largely attributed to human activities (Clearing of land, CO2 emissions, Methane emissions), you bwire don't believe it because "climate change has occurred in the past when man wasn't around". Genius. Did you use Bayesian Inference to derive the probability that your theory was correct? Maybe you used the quantities of isotopes in sedimentations to make your conclusion? Ice core samples? Satellite data? Ouija Board?

So you are discounting the official statements of organizations representing hundreds of thousands of extremely qualified scientists.

Here's the deal bwire. You are not special. You are not entitled to your own theory. You are not entitled to rational people having to humor your pet theories based on nothing. You are just a guy who has deluded himself into believing that he knows better than hundreds of thousands of scientists.

Yes bwire, you are anti-science.

"official statements of organizations representing hundreds of thousands of extremely qualified scientists"

And you, sir, do not help your cause with such statements.

Many, many credible scientists have distanced themselves from the organizations you list, or have terminated their memberships so as not to be stigmatized as man caused global warming advocates.

Hooker <-- who is also anti-science under your guidelines

"haven't been many credible scientists who have distanced themselves..."

Yikes, you must only follow one side of the discussion.

Aw, c'mon, Roger. It IS your cause. Your writing sounds like papal discourse against Galileo. And anyone who disagrees with you or the scientists you support is an automatic heretic.

Heh heh. I suppose I should feel comforted that you didn't call me an idiot!!!

Hooker <--- who loves being labeled

No there haven't been many credible scientists who have distanced themselves from those organizations, that's a flat out lie.

Sorry Roger, that is a "flat out lie".

I know of many brilliant scientists who have distanced themselves from AGW, the brilliant Professor Ian Plimer is one as is the professor of geology at James Cook University, James Porter.

Both have suffered considerable vilification without anyone refuting their reasoning.

Geologists are prominent among the dissenters, as they know that if the climate models are applied to any of the geological ages the models produce garbage.

I don't think many would agree with your definition of "anti science", you seem to have that definition to yourself.

So despite the fact that the American Physical Society, the American Chemical Society, the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the American Meteorological Society, and NASA all say the recent climate change is largely attributed to human activities (Clearing of land, CO2 emissions, Methane emissions), you bwire don't believe it because "climate change has occurred in the past when man wasn't around".

On the contrary sir, you go to far with another assumption.

I don't refute these bodies or their findings the slightest however I believe the basis upon which the findings have evolved is flawed considering all is based upon an assumption. It's a waste of valuable intellectual resource such as yourself and it is saddening we allow it.

You wrote:"I don't refute these bodies or their findings the slightest however I believe the basis upon which the findings have evolved is flawed considering all is based upon an assumption."

The only assumption made is that the scientific method is the means by which truth may be attained.

So you are either

1. Misunderstanding how the Scientific Method work
2. Rejecting the Scientific Method

I'm betting it's #1.

The "sir" think is a bit much, don't you think?

You Wrote "Global warming / climate change is a smoke screen obscuring the real threats to our standard of living and security."

Global Warming is the gradual heating of the environment due to an increase of CO2 and Methane in the atmosphere from emissions. It will lead in the coming decades to millions of refugees and billions of dollars in damage.

Whether or not it is being used politically to obscure greater threats I can't say, but even if it was being used in such a way, that doesn't mean it isn't occurring.

It's displacement from atmospheric equilibrium that mattes bwire. If you have a scale with 1 ton on 1 side and 1 ton on the other and you add 10 lbs on one side and not the other, the scale tips, even though 10lbs is much smaller than 2000lbs.

You act as if scientists are unaware of these "facts" your regurgitating. Wake up. Anything you've remotely considered on the subject has been evaluated and written about in the past 40 years.

The reason why these "facts" seem significant to you is because you are blissfully ignorant of the depth at which the scientific community has studied this problem.

It's like when people watch the movie 300 and think they know things about the Spartans.

True story, wrong location.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/moosebirth.asp

Ummmm - I wonder which version is correct? - maybe neither???

Hi Sue,

Definetely is the wrong location, there is no snow there?! What we talk about. The Easth coast people don't go to work because of excess of snow and in your wrong location the populace does the same without it. You create some confusion.

Someone, I'm talking about official person from the government did tagged the mother and the young?

Now, I understand why in Washington people has difficulties with the little snowfall or repeated snowfalls. The government send a team to take care about the moose mother and the new-born, boy or girl? The leftover money was not accepted by the "union of snowplawing workers", not included overtime.

However, we can discover that people in Washington don't want to clean their cars, front of the house-entrances, walkways, and the rest covered by the frozen water. The congress must pass some legislation about this exceptional situation. Wait for action! Please, send me tomorrow's free newspaper relating the melting of snow in your area. Thanks for the paper and this will be a true story in the true location, Gil.

I quote you from above in your response to Sue, "You create some confusion."

IMHO, this statement comes from the ultimate master of confusion! You.

Cheers.

The ultimate master of confusion? Do you remember Norm Crosby? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_Crosby

Yes, I remember Norm. But, Norm was funny.

Cheers.