Walking Human Babies

It would rather take the fun out of nuturing and weaning a child, including and not limited to:

• multiple sleepless nights
• weaning onto solid food
• health worries and trips to the doctor
• trips to buy and dispose of nappies
• expenditure on short-use clothing
• non-stop use of the washing machine
• the train of relatives coming to visit and coo at it
• safety-checking the home daily
• etc., etc.

Exactly

The advantage is obvious for some poor, overpopulated and with no birth control countries like India: the babies can hopefully just walk away and make a living on their own. Like Raj Kapoor.

Titi-the-rabbit

Back in the early eighties I read a book called "The Magical Child" by Joseph Chilton Pearce. In this book the author speaks of children in Africa who walk very very young... (4 months I think) and are stunning genii until about 4 years of age, at which point they are sent to live with different families, which induces a massive setback (to 'normal')

check it out. .great story if nothing else. I see a bunch of related things in my google search which I will have to catch up on.

Chris

In this book the author speaks of children in Africa who walk very very young... (4 months I think)

Maybe it has something to do with evolution., where they had to learn to walk at an early age. Kinda like survivability like the Gazelle.

But I see not reason why, from the op

p911

Maybe, but humans will have to evolve somewhat before that happens.

Childbirth is the key: a baby has to be able to come out of him mother, meaning that the maximum width of a compressed baby has to be able to pass through his mother's birth canal.

Right now, babies are sized so that the biggest don't usually kill their mothers in chilbirth (else we'd have an extinction problem). Since babies have soft bones just before birth, their heads can deform slightly to pass through their mothers' birth canals. As for their shoulders, I imagine that they're either narrower than the head or that they get displaced or deformed as they pass through the canal.

For babies to be able to walk right away, their skeletons, with the possible exception of head and arms, would have to be hard. If we assume that the basic human design precludes a partly-hard, partly-soft skeleton because of human biological workings(this is where my argument can be countered ... nothing tells me that that's not possible), then a hard skeleton for the main body would mean a hard skeleton for head and arms. And a hard skull would mean that mothers' birth canals would either have to get bigger or that babies' heads get smaller (or a combination of both).

Not a strong argument, but at least it outlines some general thinking.

Cheers! DZ

If you would want a baby to walk directly after birth, you would not be able to give birth to it.

Flexibility of the skeleton enables the child to pass the birth channel.

If you would change the gens that in the same time women have bottoms twice the size, it could work. But I think they don't want this evolution to happen on purpose.

"it could work."

works for me...

If you do not enjoy the upgrowing of your child, why you give birth to a child.

You are shankar... do not think of something in the perview of Brahma.

I am totally surprised by Shankar, an Indian thinking of this idea. Have you not seen the Krishna serial broadcast on TV long ago, in which a lady begs Krishna to make her toddler son into a 20 year old adult in no time and see what happens.

The fun of growing up is lost - for both the child & parents etc. Will the new adult be a educated engineer or doctor or some professional etc etc ?Why didn't you think of women laying eggs and sitting over it, or the babies coming out next day. If Chicken can lay eggs every day, why not humans and what will happen to world population etc etc.

sometimes they will try to make omlet. isnt it?

By the way Shankar, Why are you in Hurry? Better to fantasise humans flying like Birds (Yes, even to attend to office)!

The best part about babies is to be able to hold and cuddle them. Aside from that, the length of their stride would be so short, they could never hope to keep up with an adult, and so would have to be carried.

Children that learn to walk before leaning to crawl have mental problems as adults.

Psychologists will prescribe crawling on the floor as treatment.

"Children that learn to walk before leaning to crawl have mental problems as adults."

Do you have any evidence of this? Can you provide a link to a study or two?

That is what I've been told by the person that was prescribed that treatment.

The first couple articles when Googled don't support my statement. One mentions crawling to be cultural rather then developmental. That crawling before walking is something made up by studies by white doctors observing middle class families with hard clean floors for their kids to crawl on.

I have a friend who has twins born with a rare protein deficiency. Originally they were diagnosed with cerebral palsy which has similar symptoms. The parents have researched the issue from day one. They told me about some things they learned. I don't recall the details (it's been a few years now), but one thing a few doctors told them was how beneficial crawling is for the neurological development of the new born.

I don't know about problems, but things like this do not aid development.

It is thoroughly discussed in an older book called "How To Increase Your Intelligence" by Win Wenger.

http://www.winwenger.com/20in25.htm

http://www.winwenger.com/aboutpr.htm

http://openlibrary.org/a/OL449778A/Win_Wenger

http://www.geniusbydesign.com/other/windocs/success.shtml

http://www.mind-trek.com/reports/tl11.htm

Chris

Without reading any of those articles I can personally recommend "Talking to your baby" from the day that is is born. Always tell your baby what you are doing to them, like changing their diapers or feeding them. They will become more aware of their surroundings and understand you sooner then if you were to just stick the baby in its crib to cry themselves to sleep.

Another thing, and this has to do with discipline. The next time you decide to spank your small child, just remember, children will listen to the parent that causes them the less pain.

I've never spanked my son, he's 11 years old and has been awarded in school for being the best behaved student in the school.

You don't want to set double standards for your kids. You spank them, then how can you justify to them that they can't hit their friend for doing something your kid doesn't like.

When a small child looks up at you, their eyeballs are like open windows for you to le the sunshine in with information. When you cause them pain, those windows start shutting to you.

Most importantly, talk to your children all the time. Interveiw them everyday after school and show that you are interested. Read to your bably often and they stand to have a head start, intellectually over the kids with parents that neglect to do those things.

oh... the trick is to spank them (gently) when they are really young (under 2)... and don't remember later when you are telling them not to hit their sister... but they still pay attention to you!

(but ya, i agree with you!)

Lots of babies don't crawl. I didn't crawl - I "bum-shuffled". Apparently I could get up quite a speed, which resulted in the lost of a large glass vase when I bum-shuffled from one end of the room to the other in a shorter space of time than my mum thought possible.

Hard clean floors? Apart from the kitchen and bathroom, we were carpeted.

Are you sure that was a psychiatrist you were seeing...?

I'm not talking about me.

I crawled before I walked. I didn't start walking until I was 13 months old according to my mother.

so has this ah um continued into your adult life? Its quite a skill!

I bet you liked to slide down the stairs too? bumpity-bump-bump.

The wife complained enough about our son kicking. Could you imagine if he was walking laps because he was bored? Heck, he might have used the "cord" as a jump rope.

I'd rather fund more useful endeavors.

MMMMMMMMMMMM BACON!

reminds me of a joke in grade school. It goes like this.

Question:

If an elephant ate you, how do you get out?

Answer;

Keep running around in circles until your all pooped out.

I think God knew what He was doing when He created us as human beings. There is a certain order of how things need to happen in order to work properly. It's like a butterfly in a cocoon, if you free the butterfly instead of it having to struggle to get out, it will never fly. We aren't aninmals, we are unique to everything else that was created.

"We aren't aninmals, we are unique to everything else that was created."

All evidence to the contrary! Your idea is only limited by reality, so don't let it bother you. You fly too little buddy.

Can we keep the discussions out of religion.

It has never helped humans and will never support humanity (= evolution)

Possible - Yes

Practical - Not Sure

Ethical - You Tell Us Your Argument For It

So your crazy. Right?

1st) They cant see for the first week or so. They'd be bumping into every thing more than they do already.

2nd) Their frail little bodies cannot support their own weight. Broken legs on an infant will usually land at least one parent in jail.

3rd) They do not yet have the motor skills. Again bumping falling breaking their poor fragile little bodies ensuring more jail time for Mommy, Daddy or both.

4th) The only reasonable avenue to circumvent all of these issues would be to give birth to a more mature child. Probably first by lengthening the gestation process.

This would no doubt lead to a lot of very angry women out there. And for those mothers insisting on natural child birth It would lead to some potentially P.O'd dads as well. I'm still waiting for it to return to its original size and that miraculous event occurred some years Ago!