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Calibration of Syrup Manufacturing Vessel

05/17/2010 5:57 AM

Hello everyone,

Please anyone can help me regarding the calibration of this tank (sorry for bad drawing).

Syrup manufacturing vessel of capacity of 1500 L.

As the internal surface is not smooth, hence only way is to calibrate with the dipstick.

Someone tell me about the dipstick calibration types and procedure please?

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Re: Calibrtion of Syrup mnufacturing vessel used in pharma industry.

05/17/2010 6:35 AM

If the type of the bottom head of this vessel is specified, it is possible to use calculus to determine the volume per unit of liquid level above that. You have to deduct the volume of the stirrer blades and shaft when they come into play. It may be best to pour measured volumes of liquid into the vessel and simply tabulate the resulting levels.

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05/17/2010 6:47 AM

Thanks for your concern Tornado

Actually calculating the surface area involves a lot of personal error, especially in case of blades and other irregular surfaces, so mtrying to avoid it, that's why m going to dipstick method.

Can u guide me with FDA approved method for the calibration of pharma grade tanks.

Thanks

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05/17/2010 10:49 PM

Suggestion by Tornado is the best , primitive but the error will be minimal. At the same time you can also make a mark on the progress of the level as you pour in a calibrated can one by one, ensure temperature is constant, or make compesation to the variation.

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Re: Calibrtion of Syrup mnufacturing vessel used in pharma industry.

05/17/2010 7:38 AM

theres the internal Like a dipstick for measurement. and also an external type like this, ultrasonic, or radar.

but I do not know what the internal surface is or if its irregular the only way to calibrate it is using empircal info.

To bad it's not on scales or have a pressure transducer would be more accurate.

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Re: Calibration of Syrup Manufacturing Vessel

05/17/2010 9:41 AM

The most precise method would be to weight it empty and full and then monitor not the volume but the weight. There are support designs which allow a precise weighing taking off the reactive torque effects.

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Re: Calibration of Syrup Manufacturing Vessel

05/17/2010 1:52 PM

The unit of measurement that you want for your process will determine how you calibrate. For example, if you are using volumetric measurement, such as gallons or liters (assuming liquid), then you could calibrate using known quantities of water or other liquid of known physical properties. You may want to precisely quantify the temperature.

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If the measurement units are by weight, you will have more issues, since is very hard to control each batch with exactly the same formulation and a perfect/nominal sample would be needed.

Either way, the calibration of the dipstick can be done most simply by adding the metered quantities to the tank and marking the dipstick accordingly. Most accuracy will come if you use volume.

Also, if the math/calc is used you will have to prove it correct in the "real world" - again, metered quantities would be your proof. The math can be used for troubleshooting, but your audit will need physical proof.

Good luck with it.

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05/17/2010 11:35 PM

It seems to me that you can use couple of methods;

1- Volume Vs Level Calculation using the volume tables for Caps and Cylinders.

2- Empirical method: consisting of using a watermeter which is fairly precise for this purpose and use a pump to fill the tank little by little recording level using a calibrated stick, to build your "Level Vs Volume Table". This method will not introduce errors from mixer blades volumes.

3- Use a metering pump if you have it available.

4- Use a 55 Gallons Drum and a pump. You measure the water pulled out of the drum by difference in level with a stick, and take a second stick calibrated to measure the level at the Syrup Vessel.

Note: If you can't use water, use the syrup and carry on the procedures describes above.

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05/18/2010 5:44 AM

Put the thing on weigh cells.

"Simples!ξ"

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05/18/2010 5:49 AM

If the reason that the inside of the tank is rough, perhaps due to sediment or build-up, then this must be cleaned for calibration purposes. The rate of scale, sediment or build-up will affect calibration particularly using a dipstick. The phenomena can be better compensated using weight, but relies on a consistent density.

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Re: Calibration of Syrup Manufacturing Vessel

05/18/2010 7:30 AM

You will need to develop strapping table.

(petroleum engineering) A tabular record of tank volume versus height so that taped (strapped) measurements of liquid depth can be converted into liquid volumes. Also known as gaging table

Level measurement would be dependent on the presence of penetrations for instrumnets .

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Re: Calibration of Syrup Manufacturing Vessel

05/18/2010 4:37 PM

I'd look into an ultrasonic level detector. There are many to choose from, they stay clean as they stay away from the measured liquid and the newest units I've used are easily programmable through a USB port on a laptop.

Another advantage is that they usuallly come with internal solid state relays so you can tie alarms and events to them. My experience is with the Flowline brand, but they aren't the only manufacturers.

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Re: Calibration of Syrup Manufacturing Vessel

05/18/2010 4:49 PM

Hi Mood,

Calibration is simple with a simple process, "visualisation". The tank have at least a valve in the bottom and another on the top, and an open hole to see inside of the tank.

First, fill the tank completely with water and know the volume. Let say 1,500 litres as you said. Second, open slowly the bottom valve until the water level reach the top of the vertical wall of the tank. Measure the water by volume. Let say 45 litres, the hood. Third, open the bottom valve until the bottom of the vertical wall of the tank, and measure the water. Let say 1275 litres, the tube. At last, empty the tank and measure the water. Let say 75 litres, the dish bottom.

Now, we have the total useable volume of the tank, 1,395 litres. The difference is the mixing equipment inside of the tank, which is 1,500-1,395=105 litres. For sure we cannot use 100% of the tank because we eliminate the Vortex for good homogenizing of any liquids, syrop in this case. For good mixing practice, you fill the tank at 75 to 85% of the total volume we obtained, depending of viscosity, speed of the mixer, and other factors, around 1,045 litres to 1,185 litres.

If you cannot see what is said, use a stick exactely the higth of the tank with a mark at each level, top of the tank, top and bottom of the vertical wall of the tank, and the bottom of the tank. Use another stick, same length, to measure the level of the water from the top to judge hights and volumes, all outside and inside with the two sticks. It's simple mathematics and the results are ready!

Let me know if it works in your plant, Gil.

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Re: Calibration of Syrup Manufacturing Vessel

05/18/2010 11:55 PM

Thanks every body for your concern,

well,

as per available resources and convenience, I have used the simplest method available.

Put the known quantity (volume) of water to the tank.

Mark the dipstick at each 100 Liters interval.

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