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PVC Conduit Routing in As Built Drawings

05/17/2010 11:43 PM

My Boss asked me to show pvc conduit routing in concrete slabs in as built drawings , and hence i know that its not applicable because it will take huge time if we consider tower slabs having power,light,EL, fire alarm..etc conduit ,and as well as nobody can drill in slab, dry walls, so please let me know your opinion .

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Re: As built drawings

05/18/2010 12:44 AM

In my opinion you think that you are smarter than your boss and should not have to do what he assigns you to do. You should quit your job and start your own business.

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05/18/2010 9:05 AM

What is it about my comment that is off topic? As I see it I provided exactly what the original post asked for. He did not seek a technical solution, he complains that the assignment is a waste of time and wants opinions.

This comment on the other hand is off topic, and posted as such.

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05/18/2010 1:45 AM

Oops. If no one took measurements and notes, and no one remembers where anyone really put things, you are now in FantasyLand.

You can blow air into each pipe and see where it emerges, or push a wire through if there are no sharp turns. There also might be some sort of ultrasonic device to echolocate and trace the pipes. Good luck!

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Re: As built drawings

05/18/2010 2:24 AM

If all else fails - some people claim to be able to see electric wires in the concrete.

I actually saw it demonstrated one day - After a site meeting we went for a lunch. When we arrived there a worker was preparing to drill a hole in the wall. My friend walked up to him and warned him that he is going to drill right into the conduit.

The worker only laughed and proceeded and of course hit a power cable. (no electricity, no lunch)

How I don't know!!!

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Re: PVC Conduit Routing in As Built Drawings

05/18/2010 8:54 AM

"As Builts" are a very important part of any electrical construction project. They are not that time consuming if you mark them up as you go along. Typically, I mark up the construction drawings with my anticipated conduit routing as a part of the project layout and daily manpower loading on the job site. I make changes to the routing as necessary in the field as the conduit is installed.

If the conduits are already install and concealed which it sounds like, then yes, the process will be somewhat time consuming. You will have to isolate one conductor in each conduit one conduit at a time. Using a "Fox & Hound" (Triplett Fox and Hound Series Tone Generators or similar) you can trace the conduits. This will work for most dry wall and in-slab installations (in up to 2" of concrete).

If the slab is thicker than 2" from top of slab to center line of conduit you will most likely have to use a UG cable finder (Psiber CT-200 CableTracker U/G Underground Cable Locator or similar).

Another option would be to sub-contract with a slab x-ray contractor but this can become very costly.

You used the term "as built" so I have assumed that this is a new installation. That having been said, I am rather surprised that your boss was not on top of this from the start of the project. In 99% of the projects I run, if you do not produce as-builts at the end of the project you can wave bye-bye to your final draw (payment) because the owner/general contractor will use your final draw to hire someone else to produce as-builts if you can not.

On the bright side, your reading through PVC conduit rather than metallic so the task will be a little easier for you.

Hope this helps and good luck, it sounds like your going to need it.

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Re: PVC Conduit Routing in As Built Drawings

05/19/2010 3:51 AM

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The as builts are just as important , particularly in regard to position of conduits in slabs for the design engineers to issue their final as built load carrying certificate for the slab. I have also seen the engineer condemn a slab on his evaluation of conduits that were not placed to the drawings and had therefore compromised the strength of the slab beyond his design limits.

So have fun if they are already buried in concrete. Remember it will be cheaper to hire a x-ray unit than be saddled with a law suite if things go wrong, let alone the guilt of knowing you are responsible for someone's injuries or death for not doing a simple "As Built" drawing.

Also be aware that slabs ARE often drilled and cut some time in the future when alterations and improvements are made. The engineer setting up the parameters for the cutting will be relying on your As Builts to be able to do the job safely with minimal disruption to the occupants of the building.

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Re: PVC Conduit Routing in As Built Drawings

05/19/2010 6:43 AM

Your boss wants it and you feel it a waste of time - let me guess which is correct! İf one of my employees played that game it would be time for him to find new employment.

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Re: PVC Conduit Routing in As Built Drawings

05/19/2010 8:36 AM

If you did not do the as built as you installed the conduit then you are in trouble. Do not guess on this ,if your boss wants them it means he was told by a PM to produce them. The best thing you can do is get the slabs X-rayed and produce the as built. This way the liability will be shared by you and the x-ray company if anything does happen down the road. Next time take a few minutes and do them if you need them or not, they are always a good referance later on.

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Re: PVC Conduit Routing in As Built Drawings

05/22/2010 11:00 AM

i think that the as built drawing is important as the design and shop drawing while it is express the actual installation which already in the site so it is very helpful in the maintenance operations in the future.

and the shop drawing is will be your reference in the as built and you will only modify on it the new dimensions and the new locations

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