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General Comment to Engineers of all Disiplines

06/07/2010 7:56 PM

I see a number of responders to posts and forums that don't offer any positive input, but instead choose to tell us why something won't work. This doesn't help anyone. It tends to discourage the thought process when it should be encouraged. I admit there are some ideas that may seem wacko, but upon more thought, they may actually make sense. I would refrain from making a snap judgment on an idea until all the votes are in. It's best to keep an open mind. I don't know everything and neither do you, but I keep learning every day.

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Re: General comment to engineers of all disiplines

06/07/2010 8:11 PM

I agree wholeheartedly, however, after just a few days on this site I cant help but get frustrated by the questions that could be answered just with a quick google search. It is as if they are not thinking their questions through.

Also, if you sort through the reasons why not, you may be able to better justify the reasons why for.

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Re: General comment to engineers of all disiplines

06/07/2010 8:46 PM

I agree with you. When I read a post that could be answered by doing a google search, I just delete the post without responding.

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06/07/2010 8:36 PM

This forum is open to all comers and even allows "Guests" to post which in the 150 other odd forums I'm active on is unusual.

Some of the questions posed are, by virtue of the ignorance of the originating poster, requiring a guiding negative response. Other questions are reliant on the wealth of knowledge available on this forum site. Some of that knowledge has been acquired the hard way, with the lesson being "don't do it that way or else this will happen."

On the other hand quite a lot of "Bench Racing" goes on, with encouragement and well thought out suppositions offered as alternative actions.

Just occasionally we even have the occasional bit of good natured "Hijinks" launched onto unsuspecting "Guest" posters. All in good fun if not the best possible taste.

As with most technical forums, there are those that can help, those that need help, some that are helpless and the odd one that's beyond help.

My threepence worth..

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Re: General Comment to Engineers of all Disiplines

06/07/2010 10:18 PM

Great question...

I would like to encourage the rules of brainstorming, in particular rule 2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainstorming

I have seen a number of instances where people build on wacky ideas and come up with something really great.

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Re: General Comment to Engineers of all Disiplines

06/08/2010 1:52 AM

Hello GUEST,

...but instead choose to tell us why something won't work.

Don't you think that's better than someone stating "it won't work", without any reasoning behind it?

A basic understanding of thermodynamics, enthalpy and entropy, will shut down the claims of proponents of over-unity and perpetual motion devices.

Posts of topics other than these are, in my opinion, met with quite open-minded attitudes.

Can you give some examples to support your statement?

Are you a regular poster here and don't want to reveal yourself, or have you never registered?

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Re: General Comment to Engineers of all Disiplines

06/08/2010 2:44 AM

I consider that pointing out why ideas won't work is often valuable, as it prevents wasting time trying to pursue vain goals. I don't understand the OP's difficulty with this.

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Re: General Comment to Engineers of all Disiplines

06/08/2010 9:28 AM

First, it seems very poor form to lecture the members of this forum who are it's very lifeblood while you are not even registered.

In the 7 sentences above, you use the word "I" 5 times.

Your admonition to, "refrain from making a snap judgment on an idea until all the votes are in" makes no sense. If an idea stinks, continuing to sniff the carcass doesn't help anybody. If an idea has merit, it will be recognized and nurtured.

Once again, until you are registered and have made a demonstrable contribution to the forum, you have no standing, nor do your opinions, in my opinion.

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Re: General Comment to Engineers of all Disiplines

06/10/2010 5:09 PM

Very well put.

The irony of this guest post is that he/she is guilty of the very thing he/she is criticizing!

Nothing positive is said by this 'guest', it's just negative criticism. Not even an encouraging word for the people who go out of their way (for essentially no reward) to offer help to those seeking answers to what are often some mighty difficult problems.

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Re: General Comment to Engineers of all Disiplines

06/08/2010 10:58 AM

Anyone who doesn't want to know why something won't work does not belong in this forum.

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Re: General Comment to Engineers of all Disiplines

06/10/2010 7:59 AM

Totally AGREE WITH ARTSMITH! WE ARE TAUGHT TO SEE WHY MACHINE COMPONENTS FAIL, BEFORE WE ARE TAUGHT TO DESIGN MACHINES! (Strength of Materials, before Design of Machines!!)

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Re: General Comment to Engineers of all Disiplines

06/10/2010 11:49 AM

The thing I notice is when someone says something will not work it is based on their opinion and not based on experience.

Most paradigm shifts were rejected as something that would not work, until a competitor proved otherwise.

I agree with the op on this subject.

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Re: General Comment to Engineers of all Disiplines

06/10/2010 6:35 PM

Does anyone believe in brainstorming? It is a powerful tool that delivers results. It serves not to shred ideas in their infancy but to build, tweak and nurture them into a better form that will stand up to scrutiny later. It is a positive experience for most of the participants allowing each to contribute what they can. I would like to think that any of the inventors in the following link would have received encouragement for their ideas Vs being told they were impractical based on past experience. The one especially of note is William David Coolidge. You are likely using his invention right now.

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bllight2.htm

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Re: General Comment to Engineers of all Disiplines

06/10/2010 6:59 PM

Hi KDS,

Before I tell you why this won't work, I invite you to start a "Brainstorming Blog".

You could collectively pick a problem and pro-actively, and collectively strive to solve it using the rules of brainstorming.

It will be your task to properly motivate sufficient busy, independent, intelligent and creative people to spend the time necessary to (collectively and nicely) solve a problem they might not really care about.

So, maybe we're just a bunch of Prima Donnas who don't want to play nice.

Lead the way brother.

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Re: General Comment to Engineers of all Disiplines

06/10/2010 7:30 PM

Yes I believe in Brainstorming and as an attendee and facilitator at numerous value engineering workshops, it is very difficult keeping people from prejudging ideas. Usually we required at least 100 ideas during the Creativity Phase of the Value Engineering Job Plan. Usually, the best ideas were near the end of the exercise. By requiring so many idea, it forces the group not to prejudge.

Also, we found that before brainstorming have a good joke to get everybody laughing. It short circuits the brain. Another way is ply them with alcohol.

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Re: General Comment to Engineers of all Disiplines

06/10/2010 8:09 PM

Did the "Best Ideas" at the end of the exercise just happen to coincide with the maximum effect of the alcohol?

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