Dual Fuel Diesel Generators Using HHO.

Here's a word of advice. If you have a battery and a starter generator in your system, don't bother installing the HHO device. Instead, replace your maintenance-free battery with the old water-filled type, and connect tubing from the battery to your engine air inlet or whatever. The gas produced when recharging this type of battery is the exact same type of HHO you are thinking of using.

And if you have enough batteries, you can generate enough H₂ to run the entire system without using any diesel fuel at all. Think of it; free power forever.

Watch out for decreased lubricity when reducing the base diesel. I have found a lot of people do not realize that their fuel has to add lubricative qualities as well as run their engines.

Yes 50% is every bit as possible as 20%: if you believe that 20% reduction in fuel consumption is realistic, then you should believe that a 50% reduction is equally realistic. Anything the mind can conceive can be achieved.

I would like to know if by using dual fuel engines or conversion kits,this would enable a greater quantity of HHO into the engine.

Yes. The amount of HHO into the engine is only limited by the engine's displacement. Don't stop at a 50% reduction in veg oil consumption. Engines can run on HHO alone (although you may want to transition to spark ignition). Usually, a 100 hp engine can be fed enough HHO to run at full output by a generator driven by a 200 hp engine, with the output of the generator going to a large electrolysis unit. One 40' shipping container could contain the genset and the electrolysis unit to supply a 100 hp engine. For initial experimentation, look for an HHO unit that produces about 2000-3000 liters per minute at STP.

To run the 200 hp genset requires only another genset of 400 hp.

Fascinating project. Professor John Searl is also in the UK (Google Searl Effect Generator). He may be able to help out with connections in the imaginary academic community.

try to use the generated gases in a very small engine and charge a battery. use this stored energy for your lighting needs at home or office.

This might not be as off-topic as might first appear....

Saving/developing alternative(=saner) fuels is a great and inevitable idea...

Wasn't the world told that a huge proportion of atmosheric pollution is due to shipping? 15%?

Isn't there a theory concerning smoke etc from shipping causing atmospheric grief re:global warming/dimming? So, change shipping concepts ethically on a grand scale....sail power, which must be cheap and simple-- marketeers seem to make eveything complex, to get the price up? Politicians? Economists? DREAMERS.

The Chinese we are told were successfully sailing into the wind , big time, well before Jesus walked upon water-- western use of the "Junk" rig is historically absent, partly I think for geographical reasons, but the big brake to me was the fact that Junk sails are very heavy, being very "turn-offable", but not very "turn-onable"!-- western Gaff rigs do both well, as standard..... but things have changed... so use HHO etc to winch-manage these heavy, simple and effective Junk sails, big time? AND: if the vast amount of engine wear is caused by starting from cold, then how do evolving alternative energy/engine concepts cope with this phenomenon?... so conserve heat inside the smallish engines, inc lube oil, that I suppose is inevitable, and give the engines serious work to do, on a regular basis-- i.e. manage heavy sails. Diesels live long and prosper under load.

AND: If the old British Seagull catalogue used photographs of their puny 6hp motors shifting sizeable ships slowly in total calms, then this mentality fits?

You cannot change things properly using just a mentality, or can you?

I think that this ironically a variation on the original concept of the Junk Rig(?)-- basicaly improvisation of what is, or is likely to be availabe, and not overcomplex (financial) wheezes of questionable overall benefit?

One school of thought is that Junk rigs can be correctly built using low-grade=cheap=reliable stuff, basically unlikely rubbish and other people's junk!

"Junk" rig is an unfortunate term... see the book "Practical Junk Rig" by Hasler and McLeod... and things have moved on from there.

The only relevant use of sails on commercial shipping today apparently use complex, expensive and aerodynamically predictable concepts, are rare anyway, not being worth the effort in the context of pure commercialism, and Fuel Oil is , if I might say so, still too cheap... no more oil means no more shipping=no food4u?-- investors worldwide have invested in a lot of hardware... might they be forced to reconsider their actios?-- this could be easy? (Many question marks!!!)

So, keep it simple, and use all slants--- mindset vs. overfocused application to problems-- it is the big picture too?

The rantings of an old and exasperated man!

S.

U.K.

This might not be as off-topic as might first appear....

No, it seems stunningly off topic. Try the search functions to see the various sailing discussions that have occurred in CR4.

I agree that commercial sailing is worth (re)consideration. However, using HHO to reduce the efficiency of the diesel>hydraulic>hydraulic-winching and diesel>electric>electric-winching systems already well proven on large sailing yachts seems counter-productive, further complicating the system, to no good end.

As you know there is no such thing as a free lunch.

The cost to produce the HHO is more than the direct work created by burning it again, but....... what if the burning of HHO causes the efficiency of the diesel engine to increase by burning the diesel more cleanly?????

I'm no expert on these matters, but we all now know that the efficiency of an electric heat pump hot water service is greater than direct element electric heater (that is 100% efficient).

We must not be blinded by the things that appear to work against the laws of physics, as it just might be that we are ignoring some other issues which have ramifications that override the losses.

Fancy putting gearboxes into cars! This just adds weight and creates greater friction, and cannot possibly be a good idea!!! ?????

Cheers Tim

The only thing we can know for sure is that we don't know!

what if the burning of HHO causes the efficiency of the diesel engine to increase by burning the diesel more cleanly?????

That could be a good thing. However, tests have shown that such is not the case. If the H2 is supplied in relatively large quantities from an external source, then the effect you note occurs -- but not to the extent that it makes economic sense. If an onboard electrolysis unit is used, then the system operates at a net loss.

Fancy putting gearboxes into cars! This just adds weight and creates greater friction, and cannot possibly be a good idea!!! ?????

The number of !!! and ??? seems to indicate that you find the use of gearboxes both shocking and puzzling. Perhaps a two-part practical experiment will help you understand their function. 1. Put a manual transmission car in 5th gear at the base of a 20% grade. Try to engage the clutch and drive up the grade. 2. Put this car in first gear and try to drive at highway speeds.

I can take on board your first comment about the non productive use of HHO to make a cleaner burn, if this has been tested.

My point of gearboxes is to express the point that the increasing weight and increasing friction losses actually gives give a better product, yet at first glance it is at odds with the idea of reducing weight to gain efficiency.

I'm glad you thought about it.