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Handbook for Protection Engineers

07/17/2010 2:28 PM

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I am a Protection Engineer with 10 years exp. I am planning to prepare a handbook for Protection Engineers. I would like to receive your valuable suggestions and guidence. If you face any problem related to testing & commissioning please share with the solutions. That can be included in the book with your name.

Please do the needful

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Re: Handbook for Protection Engineers

07/17/2010 4:42 PM

They have lots of darling handbags here: i like coach handbags ..

Maybe they'll have one for a protection engineer.

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07/17/2010 10:17 PM

I think you need to define what kind of protection information that you're fishing for a little better. Do you mean something like this

Maybe you're looking for these

Maybe your looking for a little personal protection.

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07/17/2010 11:13 PM

are you just stirring up poop ?

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07/19/2010 12:25 AM

Electrical Protection Engineer

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07/17/2010 10:24 PM

Hi byjuram,

What degree did you get for that? Seems like fire protection engineering does not encompass a great deal of physics and math. What were the titles of some of your college courses?

While I feel that there is definitely a need for fire protection specialists, to call them engineers seems a stretch, unless I am missing something.

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07/19/2010 12:10 AM

Dear Friend

This is related to Electrical Protection Engineer.

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07/17/2010 11:05 PM

In your 10 years experience, you must have come across many handbooks already? i am guessing that you are in India (if you are not, ignore this post). BHEL, Areva, ABB and Siemens have major presence here. They have some sort of handbooks already... why do you want to re-invent the wheel ?

You must have tried this already?

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07/18/2010 12:03 AM

I am willing to learn:

What is a protection engineer?

Is there something missing?

what about protection for engineer?

or from engineer?

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07/18/2010 3:59 AM

The topic is very wide and open. I think nobody can be of significant help unless you publish the outline of the handbook you intend to write and how your handbook shall be different and more useful than the handbooks already written by a plethora of people.

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07/18/2010 6:46 AM

Like others have asked - what is a 'protection engineer?

A condum designer maybe?

To me, there ain't no such term except as a made up thing someone received rather than a raise or promotion.

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07/18/2010 1:08 PM

there are those theorists who group safety and quality together, and call it "loss prevention" I tend to disagree with this approach as the intent is different, and merging them will not help either one, except in minimizing the effectiveness of both.

I suggest that Protection Engineer may be a discipline related to safety, but also covering fire. Clearly it is a function from a different country. (not north america) but that does not undermine the validity of the role.

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07/18/2010 1:17 PM

Hi Chris

Not from W- Europe either. There is Safety - health, risks, ergonomics, Security - protection of goods, Fire, Burglar. Fire is even separated.

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07/18/2010 3:31 PM

Making up a new role rather than providing other benefits is nothing new. The 'Please do the needful' phrase means this is most likely coming from Indıa.

The OP is asking about problem related to testing & commissioning -

This makes it sound like a safety officer function. In much of the third world that is the weakest dept in the entire plant.

If that is the case, the booklet is asking for disaster - trying to replace experience with a newly written handbook written by someone without knowledge of what they are writing.

I think everyone remembers the gas turbine power plant in the eastern US where they had the big explosion. If the people involved had any idea what they were doing that kind of incident is near impossible. Someone seems to have been a complete fool.

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07/19/2010 12:19 AM

Dear Friend,

I have more than 10 years exp in the field of testing & commissioning of Electrical panels, installations & relays with different scheme. Handbook is for Electrical Protection Engineers not for Fire Protection Engineers

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07/19/2010 7:32 AM

Fire protection engineer? What be that?

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07/18/2010 3:40 PM

Having a look at previous threads by Byjuram it appears to be power transmission and distribution electrical protection. It is a fairly common field of "specialty" electrical engineering but mostly it is an offshoot of standard electrical engineering with a lot of self-directed learning and on-the-job experience.

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/45422

I am a Protection Engineer. I am planning to start a course to develop the skills of Electrical Engineer to make them a "Protection Engineer". The chances of getting a job in Gulf Country as Protection Engineer is high. I am preparing a Syllabus for that course.

Do you have any suggestions??. What are the topic to be added in the Course Content?.

Rgds

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What information we could supply on the subject (and have done so, see previous threads on CR4 including some of mine) relates to existing electrical engineering and protection manuals which are copyrighted. This means that under the "fair use" policy you would not be able to copy the content and then use it in your own handbook or course if you were charging people.

If you face any problem related to testing & commissioning please share with the solutions. That can be included in the book with your name.

Can you please be more specific as it appears you are just interested in anecdotal examples of problems we have in the field and how we solved them. If so, here's one from me (very, very briefly)..............................

One problem I faced was with an automated 33kV pad-mounted source-transfer switch we supplied to a customer. The customer's installer wired the 230V phase supply onto the 36V DC backplane bus of the pad-mounted source-transfer switch and blew up half the boards in the rack because they didn't read the documentation properly. After weeks of careful examination and repair the source-transfer switch was returned to a working condition.

Who was to blame? in the end it was both the installer (who didn't follow the manufacturer's instructions), the manufacturer (for making the instructions a little vague) and the supplier (for not ensuring that the thing was as idiot-proof as possible).

The outcomes were that we (I) got the manufacturer to modify the drawings and implemented additional training and detailed connection documentation to minimize possible connection errors in the future.

Was that of any help?

Jack - Sort of a Protection Engineer

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07/19/2010 7:06 AM

I sincerely hope that the explanations in your handbook are substantially clearer than your question.

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07/20/2010 6:02 AM

Name in the book? Not enough. How much is the fee?

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