Whale Suicide Phenomenon

I know many people with "bad Spirits" that don't commit suicide no matter how much we try to convince them to.

Maybe they should talk to the whales and give them some pointers on how to live with "bad spirits" or even better the Whales could show them the advantages that society could gain by them committing suicide!

Just trying to find a positive gain to be had from all of this "bad spirit" stuff.

1. More than 50 whale committed suicide at New Zealand beach this week and that phenomena is repeated several times.

Who says they committed suicide? A whale psychologist?! That is an unsupported assumption. It is more likely (and LOGICAL) that they simply got stranded by changing tides.

2. A Indian scientist says that bad spirits inside the bodies of those whales push them to commit suicide because it is much easier for a bad spirit to leave a dead body rather than a live body.

Hog wash! Shaman maybe, scientist - never.

3. Any information about that phenomena ?

Try this link.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8432260.stm

If only we could get to them sooner and get them into counseling, things like this wouldn't happen.

Spiritual matters not understandable by logic and human materialistic thinking.

More than 50 whale committed suicide

I will stop you right there. The whales beached themselves, there is absolutely NO evidence they committed suicide. This is quite common in some parts of New Zealand due to the tidal currents and coastal geography.

Any information about that phenomena ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beached_whale

http://www.google.co.nz/search?num=100&hl=en&&sa=X&ei=FXVxTMOyF4vCsAOrg7jADA&ved=0CB0QvwUoAQ&q=whale+beaching&spell=1

The rest of your post mentions unproven superstition and whale spirits (also totally unproven). Do you have any supporting evidence from this Indian 'scientist' regarding these unorthodox claims?

Jack - Someone actually living in New Zealand

Do you think a whale with all his life in the water does not know about tidal currents ?

Beachings in New Zealand are all to common and occur on specific areas of our coastline. Evidence and studies point towards accidental standings due to navigational errors caused by whale sonar being confused by certain geography (and in some cases man-made interference, although more research is needed).

Tidal currents and 'follow-the-leader' strandings also occur (or make the strandings worse) but the main problem is sonar.

The same thing occurs at Australia beaches.

Bad spirits is when the cellar master do something wrong.

All the wales want to do is get out of the water and evolve but the well to do 2 legged animals keep interfering.

That Indian scientist must be spiritual scientist.

Maybe we should consult the Japanes who have been "researching" (Read this as "killing and eating") whales for decades in the Southern oceans of the wolrd.

I have always though that if we could arrange a Japanes "rapid response" process, then they could "harvest" these strandings rather than killing the thousands they already do.

Such a process would provide them with the meat they believe they need, they might actually have something to "research" and provide meaningful information (It might even be confirmation of bad spirits) and save the frustrated efforts of locals who try as best they can to encourage these large animals back into deeper water.

From what I've seen over years, though, USA have extensive studies on the effects of sonar causing such events, some are just "accidents of nature" where one is stranded and calls others in, some are believed to be an individual that is sick and the pod follws them into the shallows.

I find it hard to think of as "suicide" (an intentional effort to take ones own life), but rather an unfortunate natural event.

To determine if this was a mass suicide we need to first determine if the whales are self aware of their own existence . I think you need to be aware of your own existence before you can decide to end it. We would need a really big mirror to find out.... Of course if bad spirits are controlling them it might be easier to locate new born whales before they become bad spirit party subs and protect them from possession. We could wrap aluminum foil around their heads. We may be able to get Reynolds to sponsor this.

We can find out what is the problem by saving one of those whales before it dies on the beach and to call spirits expert to deal with case and give us answer.

What could be the bad spirits:

1-Spirits of bad persons died drown in the sea area.

2-Devils housing the sea area.

Perhaps it is some form of martyrdom, with the whales protesting the fact that supposedly "superior" beings fall back on superstitious mumbo jumbo and show absolutely no self control, particularly in the area of control of population to avoid mass starvation and suffering.

Do the 'BAD Spirits' leave out out the whales' body out of the blow hole? - sorry, it's tooooo easy.

I wish you when you die your spirit takes that way to leave out ,it will be very easy for you.

Ouch!!!!!!!! , and I wish the same many, many happy returns to you and yours' - Loupy.

BTW - my 'spirit', or 'spirits', already leaves my body several times a day, (depending on what 'spirit' enhancing sustenances I have sacrificed my mortal flesh to be endowed with that morning, or the previous day of this cruel, but also enlightening existence), and in most cases, at the most inopportune times. Also, my escaping 'spirit' sometimes wants to linger for a while around my body (especially in elevators, when theres only two of us in it).

Whether these 'spirits' are "good", or "bad", depends very much if I find that I myself, as well as my soulfull self, alone, are mortally offended by the particular 'spirit' that has 'chosen' to escape the torturous confines of my body.

My 'spirits' are sometimes very, very loud, screaming in some kind of Hellish, agonising anguish when they leave, and at certains times, they wish to leave quietly, almost without a whisper,or whimper at all - but I KNOW that they are leaving me to renew my 'spirits' and once again be wHOLE!

I find that in many situations, when my 'spirit' wishes to linger about my body, for more than a minute or so, I must escape from my 'spirits' and let them contemplate themselves to entering into another nearby entity - those living ones, that I have just excused myself from.

"OP Guest" - I realize that all this is very metaphysically challenging for you, but try to get a life, which should include a healthy sense of humour, at least once in a while - Loupy ∞.

Do you know that the most terrible and painful time in man's life is the time during which the spirit leave out the body,but for some people it is very easy and peaceful, i wish you to be one of those.

Dear Mr. or Mrs. or Ms. "Guest" - whomever you are. Come out of, (or perhaps better yet, not come out of the woodwork, hiding behind this capricious veil of your's, or climb right back into the woodwork and hide once again - it's really your choice), and reveal your true identity, motivation and intention for posting this thread. - as well as some of your "replies?'

CR4 is and has always been meant to convey a technical and scientific interacting forum for logical and rational discussions regarding interested parties who engage or wish to engage in these same interests.

Yes, there are some "weird" topics that come up, from time to time, and for the most part, we can all enjoy and ponder them, with a few chuckles and sarcastic bantering about (horseplay, if you will), but most of the MEMBERS that have been here for a while (Gurus come to mind) will always first try to attempt a legitimate solution or answer, or offer a referral to perhaps another source, towards a post that inquires about a legitimate question or problem or circumstance.

Religious opinions and and committed beliefs, as far as I know, do not play a very good or a very long game on this field. They might come up from time to time in discussions, as 'reference' to the old adages from whatever religious philosophical prose, attidudes, dogma, customs etc., only as a point of stating their point of view as examples of, per se, on the issue at hand - and NOT of "MAKING A POINT" as far as their religious affiliations are concerned.

So please; Mr. or Mrs. Or Ms. "Guest" - What is your point? What do you want us all here at CR4 to agree with you about? Please let us all here know. Believe me, there is help for you available out there - all you have to do is ask.

Loupy,i will register with CR4 and i will be very interested to talk to you through private messages ,i am not religious as you think but i wish to be one day if the time allows.

Bell

I don't think so, and besides, I don't have the time to spare - my 'spirits' take up most of my time lately - wait - they're talking to me now - Sorry, got to go, you must know how 'spirits' are - they are always so impatient and impetuous, and always want to get things 'their own way', and they never take 'NO' for an answer, and alwaus talk back some foul mouthed backtalk to me - I've just about had all I can take! - I always have to revert to using reverse psychology, with a 'time-out' on them to get them to calm down and behave properly - Loupy ∞.

Try this for whatever ails ya:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQIfp1TAo2I&feature=related

The scientist's investigation theory is fully true and those wales are demonic possession. Conventional science can't discuss such issues.

If any one needs inquiry about this issue please don't hesitate to contact me and i will be very happy to answer your questions.

Okay, I'll bite. Since you say that the scientist's theory is correct, then you must have some sort of proof to support your assertions. In that case, can you produce the proof here? I'm sure I'm not the only person who's curious to know how exactly demonic possession is proven, especially the demonic possession of whales. As far as I know, while whales are extremely intelligent and actually do talk to one another, humans have never deciphered their language and therefore cannot understand anything they're saying.

What happens when an animal, for example a cow, deemed sacred and allowed to roam freely among the crowds, is suddenly demoniacally possessed and goes on a destructive rampage?

I believe that in bad spirits kingdom every spirit has assigned certain geographic area to be there,but when the demoniacally possessed whale decided to leave the assigned area ( immigrate to very far place) , the bad spirit kills the whale to get out of the whale and to remain in original place.

This message for Australia and New Zealand authorities:

If you would like to get information about "demonic possession" don't hesitate to call me.

Cheers

Mekhemer

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What that on the bed,is it a baby whale.

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It is unlikely that these whales committed suicide.

Perhaps their navigation mechanism is disturbed by our involvement? Electromagnetic radiation, chemical changes in the water?

Possible too that they all got sick from the same thing and came to shore to ask for help, or perhaps only the leader was sick and the rest followed her(him) to shore.

As regards spirits, there is no evidence I have ever read that would suggest it is easier for a spirit to leave a dead body than a live one. However, at Luke 8:26-34 we do find a reference where a collective group of spirits who called themselves Legion did inhabit an individual male, and after leaving the living man they entered into a herd of swine and caused them all to drown. This was not because it was easier for them to leave a dead body, because they were already free of the living one before that. No, instead this action was because they are vindictive and malicious in nature and have little value for the life of living things. These spirits are bad angels that have been confined to the vicinity of the Earth (See Revelation 12:7-12)

But before we go jumping to conclusions about these wicked spirits, I think it would be better to evaluate the scientific reasons for such an event. Could this have been an organized attack of some kind? Were the whales autopsied? Etc.

Again see posts #6 and #10. These standings are all too common and from the local New Zealand news reports more have happened within the last few weeks (I don't know if they are in the same area(s) thou).

Could this have been an organized attack of some kind?

What kind, none spring to mind? Weapons of Mammal Disruption perhaps.

_{Jack - The one actually from New Zealand}

So why both of you don't believe that those whales are demoniacally possessed , even your Bible mentioned that same thing happened for large number of pigs in old days ?

So why both of you don't believe that those whales are demoniacally possessed

Evidence and education regarding whales. Do you know anything about whales and New Zealand? Whales are one of our main tourist attractions and marine biology, education and research are either very strong or world class here.

The bigger question is why do YOU! What evidence do you base your claims of demonic possession on (other than they were alive and now they are dead) that contradicts years of research and observation in the field of whale biology.

_{Jack from New Zealand - Safe harbour to the Greenpeace Rainbow Warrior, may she and her dead rest in peace and the medals of those that sunk her rust at the same rate.}

If you continue your research for 100 years ahead you will reach nothing, this is spiritual issue not material one to be studied by conventional science.

What your researches did for you so far to stop this phenomena-off course nothing !

As an engineering example, can you apply the conventional mechanical laws on Atomic theory ? of course not .

What your researches did for you so far to stop this phenomena-off course nothing !

My patience has finally run out. Your ignorance of my country and our marine biology and conservation programs is not appreciated and neither are you broad sweeping statements spoken in apparent complete ignorance of easily obtainable data and facts.

Please go and perform a simple internet search regarding New Zealand and whales to discover how wrong your statements are. You found CR4 so it is not beyond your computer skills.

CR4 is NOT a religious forum so do NOT abuse your time here by treating it as your own personal platform to try push what ever variant of faith you believe in.