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What is This Device?

01/07/2011 6:30 AM

What is this device? My friend received it with a load of hard core he had delivered so we don't really have any useful information about its source. Several people have said that it is not any kind of sump plug.

It's a while since we had one of these mystery objects, so I thought I'd ask. Although this seems like a simple piece of hardware there are several things about it which seem a bit curious (to me at least).

Why is the lead in for the thread on the same side as the slot for screwing it in/out?

Why is the "outside" (slot side) relatively clean/undamaged

whilst the "inside" is badly beaten up? (two pictures one with and one without flash)

If this is a part of a commercial/professional piece of equipment: why does it appear to be designed to be undone with a coin?

It is about 1.9 inches (48 mm) in diameter; about a ΒΌ inch (6 to 7 mm) thick.

A friend at work has pointed out that the "inside" is actually a thin sheet which you can dent if you push really hard with a finger nail. The whole surface will move in and out a bit like a speaker or mic., but the middle seems solid. When I see the friend who found it again I will ask if we can cut open the "inside" sheet to see if there is some kind of sensor inside. There is no evidence of anywhere that wires could enter/exit to "reach" the inside.

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01/07/2011 6:48 AM

My guess is, and I can't prove it, but due to the fact that it flexes some, is that it is an old freeze plug...........either to a car engine or some other piece of equipment.

Here is a threaded freeze plug......same thing, the threads terminate on the end with the square hole.

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01/07/2011 7:39 AM

Hmmm I don't think the whole assembly would flex enough to pop out, except under extreme conditions: and then the thread of the engine block would probably be damaged. I don't think there is enough space behind the inner sheet to allow for enough expansion to relieve the pressure of frozen coolant.

I don't know anything about this sort of thing, but, I think your pictures are of a core plug rather than a freeze plug.

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01/07/2011 8:01 AM

I did a google search for 0747 Z plug and found this. It's a distributor blanking plug for a Triumph motorcycle, whatever that is. Maybe a little closer. No pics of the inside. I've actually seen something like that before, with the thinner metal on the inside, but I have no idea where.

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01/07/2011 8:23 AM

Before you cut it open, try boiling it/freezing it and see if anything happens on the inside. Whatever is underneath, I would think, would be temperature activated.

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01/07/2011 8:45 AM

I have written to a motor cycle parts place selling one on E-Bay to ask for their opinion. Hopefully all will be revealed soon.

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01/07/2011 8:58 AM

I hope so, I've actually got other things I'm supposed to get accomplished today.

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01/07/2011 10:04 AM

".......for a Triumph motorcycle, whatever that is."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle

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01/07/2011 10:23 AM

I meant the distributor blanking plug.

I knew I'd get that smarta$$ comment after I read my post.........I figured it would probably come from lynch. You beat him to it.

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01/07/2011 11:03 AM

I actually owned a '58 T110 in the '80's. Traded it for a gun. Wish I had it back.

Sorry, I was being a smarta$$ in another thread at the time.

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01/07/2011 11:23 AM

No need to apologize.

Someone accused me of being on the lyndoor payroll on another thread, and I responded that I thought your smarta$$ answers were funny.

Of course, I don't have feelings, so you can't hurt me.

Found it http://cr4.globalspec.com/comment/676960/Re-hello-to-all

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01/07/2011 12:54 PM

Oh, that's just bob c.

He thinks he's a mechanic.

That'll get him stirred up!

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01/08/2011 9:54 AM

The so called "freeze plugs" in accuallity are "core plugs" They were never intended to pop out upon freezing. core plugs are used for exactly that- plugging the holes left over from casting the engine block.

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01/07/2011 6:51 AM

Does PlbMak know?

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01/07/2011 7:22 AM

So that's where it went. I've been looking for that thing everywhere. Can I have it back, please? <Splutter>

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01/07/2011 7:59 AM

Nooooo......

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01/07/2011 8:00 AM

Is it the Antikafrinton device ?

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01/07/2011 8:22 AM

"Harwich for the continent, Frinton for the incontinent."

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01/07/2011 6:03 PM

If anybody can disprove me, I'll sit corrected.

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01/07/2011 9:09 PM

I don't think you can take the piss out of Frinton, unless they did actually open a pub there afterall.

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01/07/2011 9:15 AM

At first glance I thought it could be a brush cap. Its too big in diameter.

A adjustment screw for regulator.

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01/07/2011 9:37 AM

Well, clearly it's from a 747 airplane. All you need to do is get the blueprints and look for the part marked "Z".

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01/07/2011 10:35 AM

Looks to me to be a threaded end cap for a cast iron sanitary clean-out. Just a guess and I could be very wrong, but hey, nothing harmed by aiming high, eh!?

Maybe just maybe it fell off an UFO? LMAO! Oh I'm a bad boy.....sore subject in CR4 lately....

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01/07/2011 10:56 AM

You're getting real popular moosie! We've even got spillover from the bathtub landing in the ufo thread.

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01/07/2011 11:26 AM

Just trying to be entertaining, but some folks, no matter what, tend to be very much in touch with their anal side, ya know?

Have a great day kram!

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01/07/2011 11:03 AM

Aaaahh. You mean the drain plug for an S or P trap. Could be: but why would it have that thin flexible sheet on the inside?

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01/07/2011 11:50 AM

Are you sure that the "thin sheet" isn't an artifact of the corrosion on the underside (maybe along a metal internal flaw) so at one time it was solid?

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01/08/2011 11:49 AM

Yes I'm sure. When you examine it carefully you can see that the sheet is corrugated in concentric rings to give it the flexibility to move in and out.

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01/07/2011 12:56 PM

Looks like a cap for a floor mounted electrical receptacle. The size is correct. I have installed several of them and have a few in my house and the cap looks very similar, just newer.

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01/07/2011 7:26 PM

I'm thinking so too

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01/08/2011 11:54 AM

Power sockets (and plugs) in the UK are a lot bigger than the US, so it wouldn't be big enough. Of course I suppose it could have found its way across the pond.

Also that wouldn't explain the flexible inner skin.

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01/07/2011 2:24 PM

Actually, its the manhole cover from the sewer outside Barbie and Kens Playhouse. the bottom is all banged up cuz GI Joe was pounding on it so he could come out and Play.

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01/11/2011 8:29 AM

Come on Milo! Everybody knows that GI Joe wouldn't pound on something like that. He'd blast it off with a shaped charge of C-4.

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01/07/2011 3:48 PM

This almost looks like an end cap off of a rebuildable boric acid high voltage cartridge fuse.

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01/08/2011 11:57 AM

Would that be dangerous? Should I take it out of my back pocket?

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01/07/2011 4:09 PM

It wouldn't be a surveyors benchmark, would it?

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01/07/2011 4:42 PM

Nice pictures BTW.

I was just reading through the posts and couldn't help but think to myself, "What the hell is wrong with us?"

All of this interest in a little metal plug........................I'm as guilty as anyone.

It's all fun. I'm just glad my wife doesn't get on here and see what's eating up so much time. She'd probably seriously consider having me committed.

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01/07/2011 5:17 PM

She'd be right!

Milo "guilty as charged!"

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01/08/2011 12:00 PM

My wife is just dragging me off now, so I'll have to come back to the thread later.

Thanks to all who've replied so far.

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01/08/2011 1:41 PM

To be fair: it was because she was putting the dinner on the table.

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01/07/2011 5:44 PM

It's a gnome escape hatch for a model 747. You can imagine were the dents come from because it can only be opened from the outside.

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01/07/2011 7:34 PM

This is manufactured in a small workshop in deepest, darkest Nihilland, where a dedicated team of precision engineers devote their time to designing and manufacturing devices that look like they ought to fulfill a purpose or have a function, when in fact they do not. These are then distributed around the globe, on pavements and driveways, and particularly next to expensive looking cars and motorbikes, seemingly to occupy the time of curious engineers. In fact, the real (unknown) purpose is to plug pinholes in the space/time continuum, hence the 'screwdriver' slot which will accept all coinage, from Polish Zlotys to Klingon Zarks.

In fact, it looks a bit like the rocker cover off an old motorbike, but the internal membrane is a bit puzzling.

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01/07/2011 9:09 PM

I take it not too many people here are familiar with the old pressure regulators like those used for natural gas feeds on buildings. Take the small regulator off an old gas grill and have a look at the plug on the end that is used to adjust the pressure.

Many low pressure fuel gas regulators where designed so that the adjustment plugs thread in from the inside before assembly hence the reversed starting thread design. The design is so that some fool cant take the plug all the way out and put a heavier spring in the regulator to raise the outgoing gas pressure above a safe working limit.

The thin flexible metal cap may have been sealed so that there was a fixed volume of air or some gas under it so that as the ambient temp changes the gas or what ever was inside that cap worked as a slight T/P compensator as it expanded and contracted.

Just a theory.

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01/07/2011 10:52 PM

I like it

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01/08/2011 8:55 AM

I don't think so tcm. Take a closer look at the crud on the thin metal. I think that happened in service. A gas regulator wouldn't have scale on it.

I think whatever it is has been in prolonged contact with the radiator coolant in a car or bike. That scale looks a lot like the build up on a radiator cap. I'm thinking that if they cut that thin metal open, they will probably find the same type of wax used in an automotive thermostat. That groove indicates a seat for a spring.

Okay, I'm willing to admit that I may have just a touch of OCD.

I think this is a Porsche oil cooler

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01/08/2011 11:01 AM

That looks like a furnace regulator.

I am talking about the really big grey regulators and meter units that are on the outside of commercial buildings. I just used the gas grill regulator as an basic example that most people would be familiar with having seen in person.

A friend of mine has a scrap yard where I have taken a few apart and I recall seeing similar types of disks in one of them. As far as the crud goes that thing could have been laying out in the bottom of a scrap bin for who knows how long before the OP got a hold of it.

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01/08/2011 1:22 PM

I want you to be right.

I think I've seen those up close before, I might be wrong, but I thought they were made out of pot metal, and solid. No flexible sheet on the bottom.

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01/08/2011 1:44 PM

I only remember something looking something like this in one type of old commercial gas service regulator. I suspect that in the last 50+ years there have been countless other designs put into use.

Who knows I could still be wrong and it could have came from some entirely different device as well. I am only going by an educated guess based on memory of something I took apart years ago.

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01/08/2011 1:37 PM

GAs for this and the previous post. So does this regulator work a bit like this:-

Where the "mystery" object is the disc at the bottom and the gas enters through the tube pushing up against the flexible surface?

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01/08/2011 1:54 PM

They explain the basic concept here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_regulator

The small expansion disk would go in where the pressure adjustment handle is pushing on the spring. The small sealed flexible disk works to compensate for temperature differences changing the stiffness of the spring. In a natural gas service the outgoing pressure is very low and the slight change in the spring tension due to wide temperature variations would be enough to affect the output pressure in that low of system working pressure.

By having the sealed gas inside that disk contract as it gets cold it would automatically compensate for the slight pressure increase that would have occurred from the spring stiffness increasing. As the regulator warmed up the sealed gas under the disk would expand and put more pressure on the spring and automatically compensated for the slight decrease in spring stiffness from the metal warming up.

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Got it thanks: looks very plausible.

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01/08/2011 12:45 PM

Not too sure: I think most of the crud on it is from its more recent history.

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01/08/2011 9:44 AM

i have no idea what that plug is used for..............but to the OP, what is a

"load of hard core"

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01/08/2011 12:58 PM

Broken bricks and the like which, you put down under the concrete in foundations and other concrete surfaces. There's probably a more common US term.

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01/08/2011 7:27 PM

"Hardcore" is a perfectly common US term - but usually as an adjective for the word "pornography." Otherwise, it is sometimes used to mean "gung ho", especially for members of the military or criminals. None of these seemed germane. I'd probably ask for "rubble" or "aggregate" in the context described, but I'm not an expert.

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01/10/2011 12:42 AM

That was my thought too. I used to be into pornography, but then my pornograph broke.

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#58

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01/11/2011 4:16 PM

Looks to me like an air bleed screw. The "lead in" is actually the seal face and by screwing it in a few turns you will allow air out without the risk of hot coolant blasting out. It would also account for the flex inner which would probably hold air, as previously supposed by Kramarat, as an anti freezing device.

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01/12/2011 6:08 AM

Do you mean like this?

Then yes that makes sense: could be.

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01/12/2011 11:35 PM

The diaphragm on the inner surface (if it is a diaphragm) seems to be a crude version of the diaphragm used in a pressure transmitter. Like this one on a sanitary SS pressure transmitter.

Is it likely to be a pressure fluctuation dampener for a fixed pressure range in a mass produced item for something like a gas meter. The number is an ID for a particular range or application. The thread arrgt suggests for safety reasons it is inserted from inside the device and can only stay inside the device if tampered from the outside. From an operational safety aspect this doesn't seem to fit unless the system shuts off on zero backpressure. Given that this type of diaphragm is on the expensive side there must be good reason for whatever its use.

Just a guess and trying to help the cause.

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01/13/2011 5:38 AM

My best guess would be a pressure transducer except that there is nowhere to attach, or, for access of wires to connect to the sensor. It certainly looks a lot like the one in your picture.

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#61

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01/13/2011 12:01 AM

In the very first two pictures (clear back in the OP), the "taper" of the threads looks the same when the plug is inverted. Thus it seems to be a straight thread. The flat part near the center of the rippled diaphragm looks like a surface what would press on a rod or pin. Tcmtech's idea is definitely plausible, even if this turns out to be something else. (I have some smaller propane regulators on our sea cucumber cookers that are built about like this.)

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01/13/2011 6:15 AM

The "taper" is really only on the one side (with the "coin" slot).

Yes the flat in the centre would only need to push on a rod to achieve the pressure regulator/demand valve functionality shown in this diagram from TCMtech's link:-

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