Anti Friction Metal Treatment

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Rahul,

If you are a continous user of these cutters, you should consider using UltraCut from Synionic. I'm sure that you will reduce your operating cost a lot.

Please just click on my username and send me a private message from the menu.

I just reported this.

I just knew I could use this again one day.

I'm over it and can only report that the hardest thing that could be exposed to friction with out needing much lube is sapphire glass. At least it is something I am investigating but it's looking good.

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This is not an endorsement,there are many other companies and technologies and they can make about anything you like. If you got it in CAD they can make it. There have been leaps of progress and I would not use anything other than this fantastic material, in a volatile, corrosive environment.

At the rate that I am progressing it could be a few more years until I will have results. I will report then and not on a commercial basis, that's for sure. Just writing about it makes me want to stop everything else. To early for the dance around the golden calf., Ky

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Hey come, Op go's;

Look I'm testing this revolutionary product.

Send me your email for my promotional literature

What is not 'commercial marketing' about this?

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Why the email request? ^{_{(by-pass PM spam 'limit', or collecting 'work' ones?)}}

How many 'guidelines' are being bent out of shape here?

I agreed 100% with you. Must have phrased something the wrong way.

How many 'guidelines' are being bent out of shape here?

34point5 ?

You are right very blatant breach. I'm over it, Ky.

Cool!!!

If by "this" you mean my post, I'm not sure why you would report it. But feel free to report the OP. I already dissed his product. So he wants to send me an email, and asks for my address--which is really stupid because he can send me a PM anyway! Notice I didn't give an email address, although I can be found by some basic sleuthing. I haven't received any further notice from him, so I'm not worried about it; and even then, it would only be a brochure that I could choose whether or not to read.

There is even the off chance that this is a decent product....

I'm reasonably sure I reported the OP - but now you've got me worried. So I've just gone and 'clarified'.

Shameless self-promotion.

Instead of promoter's statement why not to come with an engineer's statement and tell others How does it work? You may be right but We believe only in facts not in gimmicks,

Glad to see that someone is interested to know....

I have a lot of tests, results, reports, but unfortunately i dont know how to upload them each are more than 15 mbs.!

Then they need to reduce their file size by a factor of 10 or more. No one likes memory-hog downloads.

What is "memory-hog" about fifteen millibits (15mbs)? That's not even a nibble! Now, if (s)he had said 15 MBs, that would be different! Lessee, milli- to Mega-, that's a factor of a billion to one, and then multiply by the number of bits to a Byte, times the 15, gives us . . . - now, c'mon, let's not always see the same hands in the air!

I've seen these types of lubricants come and go. Most are the remnants of the oil refining process and should not be added to any motor or gear oil. Their flash point is usually low with a high carbon/metallic buildup that results. They are 'frictionless' only when tested with metals that have a high hardness composition rubbing against each other. In a combustion chamber of most engines it is a degree of the friction of the rings against the sidewall that allows the combustion to be contained.....ie reduce the friction and you will lose combustion containment. You will also get shiny sidewalls resulting from the buildup of those metals found in such lubricants.

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It was interesting reading all your comments and i've realized that no one have even got the interest in checking what i'm speaking about, i.e. the new idea in lubrication.

I'm not a marketing nor a mechanical eng. but i'm an end user and i have some interest in getting my operating cost reduced.

So, if anyone is interested in enriching his knowledge and not just writing some own opinion, let me know so i can sent you some sceintific reports done by: Sintef, the Southwest Institute and Monition, which i believe all are a very recognized, reputable, research houses which you can check if you are interested.

Hi Tarek Aoun,

After reading all the post I have come to conclusion that you are not just asking for feed back but trying to promote the product. As per some members such products have failed then why should try to promote.If you want to know the results then buy a sample and try it out yourself and then you can post the results.

As a matter of fact, after i tried the lubricants and results were very good, i'm checking if someone have tried to discuss and chare opinions.

When you find a good product, dont you like to promot the good result of it?

http://www.metalonproducts.com/

An identical product with (almost) identical research. Claims to have US Air Force blessing when in fact this blessing came from semi-professional (and most likely paid) source in the hangar maintenance dept. Another name for this liquid is Forte.

I couldn't find the flash point temp. in this 'research'. With Metalon it was 200'C or thereabouts.

I Have some technical data:

Flash Point: 288 C, Film Strength: 220,000 PSI, Bonding: Positive(migrates towards heat).

If you can get the minerals composition data compare it to the minerals that have been removed during the oil refining process. This would be the mineral composition eg % molybdenum, lead etc. Oil refiners remove excess minerals for a reason.

This product is not a unimolecular hydrocarbon. It is likely made from the waste.

Again, as stated before I would urge caution using anti-friction lubricants in engines. It is friction which allows the 'seating' of the piston rings. Without friction the cylinder walls will develop glaze.

If you have used it, please tell us how you used it, what the cost was, how much your cost was reduced, how the process you use was improved etc., etc. etc.

Rather than send a huge file, just state the facts about your investigation and research that bring you to the conclusion that it's a good/better product.

I used to run 5000 km on petrol engine (Prado 2009) to get an oil change and the cost was almost 30 USD for a 6 ltrs of engine oil. After using Synionic, i managed to run 15000 km and the cost was 60 USD. Oil test was done with a descent lab and results shows less metal contamination, normal level of TBN, Viscosity and a recomendation was to re-sample after 3000 km.!

I have realized that petrol consumpsion was less by 10-15 %.

I have also found, that the engine is less noissy and felt that its empowered.

Just to set the record straight, what is your relationship with Synionic??????

To me, it appears that you work there or have some vested interest in the company. If that is true, then your "testimonial" is worthless. It's just marketing hype.

Well, what is your relationship????????????

Yes sir. You know the answer, so why do you want us to provide one? I note that the company which makes this lubricant is listed as your "home page" on your profile.

That being said, I personally thing the lubricant you are promoting is an excellent one...a synthetic oil is always superior to fossil oil. But as good as it is, it is generally frowned upon here to make a post with the sole intention of promoting one single product. Perhaps if you had phrased it differently...like..."are there independent labs which test synthetic oils against each other?" or "what are your results from using different sythetic oils?" you might have received less scathing retorts!

Anyway, wishing you all the best.

Bill

Synthetic oils are just highly purified fossil oils.

Very funny!!!

If you read here:-

http://www.ehow.com/facts_5903860_synthetic-oil-made-from_.html

You will read:-

Process

Synthetic oils are not distilled from crude oil. The raw materials are subjected to a chemical process, known as the Fischer-Tropsch process, so that all the molecules are equal in size and are smaller than those in conventional oil.

Raw Materials

The ingredients in base stock synthetic oil are methane, carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide. These make up roughly 80 to 90 percent of the volume.

Yer right..........they're not distilled from crude oil. They're distilled from oil that has been distilled from crude oil.

Did you see what makes it up to 90% by volume???

So you want to hit me over the head with around 10%?

Normal oil is from crude plus a few extras to help it do its job better, probably 80% or more crude oil.....slightly different.

This also reduces the amount of crude oil needed dramatically. Important ecological point....

Realy, im intersted in all the replies!

First, i put the home page to make it easy for who want to know more about Synionic!

Second, im trying to get involved in all accpect and get more of your opinions so it will help me in my research.

Third, i have done the test against mineral, semi sythetic and fulyl sythetic oil and results were very interesting.

Fourth, my connection with Synionic is since one year, we were asked to try this lubricants and run a lot of test under the supervision of a well know oil producer and well known Laboratories, if anyone is interested to see results i will be glad to forward them.

There you see! Honesty is the best policy!

IS there a friction test using two hardened steel pins?

Test has been done. Amazing results.

That's what I was afraid of. Using hardened pins against each other with differrent grades of lubricant to see how long the lubricants last is not a true test. All it indicates is the ability of the lubricant to evaporate under extreme pressure conditions. What you don't see is the buildup of minerals on the friction surface. This buildup will eventually result in what is called glazing.

In internal combustion engines glazing is what destroys the piston rings.